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Is Brandon Raub a Political Prisoner of the Obama Administration?
US Daily Review ^ | 8/22/12 | Staff

Posted on 08/23/2012 5:49:29 AM PDT by lward99

Is Brandon Raub a political prisoner of the Obama Administration? That is the impression you receive if you talk to members of an organization called Special Operations Speaks. In a press release the group states, “Brandon Raub, a 26-year-old former Marine who completed tours of Iraq and Afghanistan and lives in Chesterfield, Va., was recently arrested and forcibly committed to a psychiatric facility for mental evaluation by a court based solely on controversial Facebook postings, which took the form of song lyrics, political messages and virtual card games.”


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Obama is going after Right Speech. The Left can speak what ever the hell it wants.
1 posted on 08/23/2012 5:49:43 AM PDT by lward99
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To: lward99

KGB


2 posted on 08/23/2012 5:56:00 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: lward99
Again, a claim with no links and no checkable data.

What did he post? You don't know. We don't know.

If you threaten someone on social media you can be arrested.

That's not controversial.

26 is a prime age for the onset of schizophrenia, and that onset could be exacerbated by the stresses of combat.

It's entirely possible that he is ill.

It would be nice to have more facts and less shrill hysterics.

3 posted on 08/23/2012 6:04:43 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: lward99

yes, I believe he is. This is sad and frightening for all Americans.

Three military retirees in this family think the Special Ops folks are “AWESOME!”, and we believe they are right to express their concern over security leaks. They have put their lives on the line in more ways than any of us will ever know, and they do it with honor, integrity and courage. God bless ‘em!


4 posted on 08/23/2012 6:04:43 AM PDT by sassy steel magnolia (USAF life and Navy wife...God Bless the USA!)
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To: lward99

If he is re-elected, this can happen to anybody. Tell this story to all your liberal friends, if you have any. If not, leave it on the desks of liberals and watch their heads explode.


5 posted on 08/23/2012 6:05:25 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: wideawake

Many have already gone there and reported nothing out of the ordinary of anyone pissed at the current government, left and right. I saw his lawyer on Becks news show last night and he is not charged with anything, nothing and they won’t give him any information at all. Doesn’t that make your spidey senses tingle just a little?


6 posted on 08/23/2012 6:09:17 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: mazda77
Many have already gone there and reported nothing out of the ordinary of anyone pissed at the current government, left and right.

I would consider being a 9/11 Truther "out of the ordinary." This is definitely an indicator of potential mental illness.

I saw his lawyer on Becks news show last night and he is not charged with anything, nothing and they won’t give him any information at all.

From my understanding, he was not charged because he was put on a 30 day psych hold.

Doesn’t that make your spidey senses tingle just a little?

If he were being held in a prison indefinitely without charges, it certainly would.

The fact that he is being held in a medical facility for 30 days in order to evaluate his health is less concerning. That's not an uncommon phenomenon, even among those without a strong internet following.

If, at the end of 30 days, he is not either released or found to be insane by independent physicians, then I would be much more concerned.

7 posted on 08/23/2012 6:23:02 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

“If you threaten someone on social media you can be arrested.”

The cops say he wasn’t arrested, and they didn’t file any such charges against him.

“26 is a prime age for the onset of schizophrenia, and that onset could be exacerbated by the stresses of combat.”

Do you believe schizophrenia is something that can be diagnosed from Facebook posts, yet would be missed by all of the people who actually know him in real life?

“It’s entirely possible that he is ill.”

It’s just as possible, and I’d say more likely, that he isn’t. Even if he is, the government must follow the proper procedures if they want to institutionalize him or even send him for a mental evaluation, which they failed to do.


8 posted on 08/23/2012 6:30:48 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: mazda77

“Many have already gone there and reported nothing out of the ordinary of anyone pissed at the current government, left and right.”

There was at least one news story that revealed that the posts in question were made on a private group, not publicly viewable to people not in that group. So, we do not know exactly what he posted just because people have looked at his FB page.


9 posted on 08/23/2012 6:32:49 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Raub isn’t the only one this kind of thing has happened to recently. I have read and heard other accounts of official visits based on pro-freedom internet posts, Youtube and radio call-in comments. Authorities seem to skirt the 4th amendment by exploiting the mental health angle.

The way things are going, if you don’t quietly accept tyranny, someone will eventually accuse you of being crazy.


10 posted on 08/23/2012 6:38:18 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Boogieman
The cops say he wasn’t arrested, and they didn’t file any such charges against him.

As I said: "you can be arrested." In this case it appears that the officers on the scene decided that his situation was more medical than criminal.

Do you believe schizophrenia is something that can be diagnosed from Facebook posts, yet would be missed by all of the people who actually know him in real life?

I would think that while it cannot be diagnosed from Facebook posts, it can be diagnosed by a 30 day psychiatric evaluation - which is what is happening now.

And, since do not have full statements "by all of the people who actually know him" we do not know if any potential mental illness was "missed" by them.

I would also point out that those closest to a mentally ill person are often the ones least willing to admit that there may be a problem.

It’s just as possible, and I’d say more likely, that he isn’t.

While it is possible that he has no problem, I'm not sure how you arrive at "more likely."

Even if he is, the government must follow the proper procedures if they want to institutionalize him or even send him for a mental evaluation, which they failed to do.

How have they "failed" exactly? What did they need to do that they did not do?

11 posted on 08/23/2012 6:41:30 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: lward99
Obama is going after Right Speech. The Left can speak what ever the hell it wants.

Well, it's okay to yell Kill the Crackers! Kill their babies in the nurseries!"

That's perfectly fine. Do it in public on the streets of Philly.
Show up armed at the polls to intimidate whitey, that's fine too.

If that doesn't wake you up, perhaps the video below will. It took place on the campus of Howard University and it is a supposed black 'professor' speaking. Howard University is the premier American black university.

An Even More Outrageous Video by an Obama Supporter

12 posted on 08/23/2012 6:51:03 AM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
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To: .45 Long Colt
The way things are going, if you don’t quietly accept tyranny, someone will eventually accuse you of being crazy.

His accusers should be named and identified. Every accused has the right to know and face his/her accusers.


Commies and left wingers everywhere have always used this lame excuse to abuse their citizens who dissented.

Political Abuse of Psychiatry in the Soviet Union

This administration is just another Communist Dictatorship ramping up for their big day...

13 posted on 08/23/2012 6:57:55 AM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
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To: Bon mots
His accusers should be named and identified.

Since he's not charged with anything, he doesn't have any "accusers."

The name of the physician who recommended his evaluation is probably on the affidavit.

14 posted on 08/23/2012 7:02:23 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Bon mots

Precisely.

We are being bombarded, so I know it’s hard to be outraged by every story. However, I find the indifference to this story disconcerting. Not-so-distant history tells us this is a very dangerous slippery slope.


15 posted on 08/23/2012 7:05:50 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

From Wikipedia:

In the Soviet Union, systematic political abuse of psychiatry took place.

Soviet psychiatric hospitals known as "psikhushkas" were used by the authorities as prisons in order to isolate hundreds or thousands of political prisoners from the rest of society, discredit their ideas, and break them physically and mentally.

This method was also employed against religious prisoners and most especially against well-educated former atheists who adopted a religion. In such cases their religious faith was determined to be a form of mental illness that needed to be cured.

Formerly highly classified extant documents from “Special file” of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union published after the dissolution of the Soviet Union demonstrate that the authorities of the country quite consciously used psychiatry as a tool to suppress dissent.


16 posted on 08/23/2012 7:10:00 AM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
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To: lward99

ping for tracking


17 posted on 08/23/2012 7:17:29 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: wideawake

Putting you in a psych ward is SOP for totalitarian regimes. They are so concerned about the guy they moved him to a facility 3 hours away from his family and legal team.


18 posted on 08/23/2012 7:26:27 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: lward99
Where does Crazy Louis Farrakhan fit in this scenario?

That hate-filled loon says all kinds of outrageous things.

19 posted on 08/23/2012 7:28:36 AM PDT by ptsal (E)
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To: wideawake
"It's entirely possible that he is ill. It would be nice to have more facts and less shrill hysterics."

Sorry, but last I heard we don't arrest and imprison people because it's "possible" they "may" be ill. That some could disagree means we need as much shrill hysterics as possible to draw attention to this.

20 posted on 08/23/2012 7:35:59 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Putting you in a psych ward is SOP for totalitarian regimes.

So you're arguing that laws providing for involuntary psychiatric evaluations exist only in totalitarian regimes?

If so, that's a very incoherent argument.

They are so concerned about the guy they moved him to a facility 3 hours away from his family and legal team.

He is a veteran and at a VA hospital that provides him free treatment.

I'm sure that the state could detain him at a nearby private psychiatric facility for 30 days and charge him the exorbitant rates associated with that.

Of course, then his lawyers would argue that the state was deliberately imposing a grievous financial hardship on Raub and his family which would impair his ability to mount the best possible legal defense.

21 posted on 08/23/2012 7:45:16 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: mazda77
“If he is re-elected, this can happen to anybody.”

They have already started the wheels rolling in this direction.

A couple of weeks ago some doctor made the claim and IIRC if you disagree with the homo agenda you had a psychological disorder that made you “hate” and you needed to be treated.

Another doctor was making the ridiculous claim that if you feel you need to own a gun you have a psychological disorder.

Anything you disagree with with this administration and you have a psychological disorder.

People better believe the left will do it here and not just in “other” countries.

22 posted on 08/23/2012 7:45:42 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: wideawake

“I would also point out that those closest to a mentally ill person are often the ones least willing to admit that there may be a problem.”

Perhaps, but they are also more likely to actually spot symptoms than people who know him only through Facebook postings. They would know his normal behavior previous to to onset of the illness, and the contrast, in a case like schizophrenia would not usually be very subtle. It seems very unusual to me that, after his detention and the case becoming news, the media can’t find one person who actually knew him who says “He began acting strange a few years ago”, or “He was a loner”, etc. The media seems to always be able to dig up those witnesses within a day of any kind of story like this, when it is legitimate.

“While it is possible that he has no problem, I’m not sure how you arrive at “more likely.””

I say more likely, because mental illness that would rise to the level of requiring a forced mental evaluation by the state is rare, and not something that I think you would be likely to be able to spot simply from someone’s internet postings. Ordinary, sane people post so many seemingly deranged statements on the internet, if they actually managed to find a real crazy person in all that chaff, I would be pretty amazed.

“How have they “failed” exactly? What did they need to do that they did not do?”

This:

“The law requires that within four hours of detaining someone, you have to have a magistrate write a petition for a temporary restraining order,” said John Whitehead, an attorney with the Rutherford Institute, the Virginia-based civil rights firm that is defending the ex-Marine. “They didn’t do that. That didn’t happen.”


23 posted on 08/23/2012 7:47:23 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: circlecity
Sorry, but last I heard we don't arrest and imprison people because it's "possible" they "may" be ill.

He was neither arrested nor imprisoned. He is in the hospital.

I'm surprised you never heard of an involuntary psychiatric commitment. They are quite common and are a pretty well-established feature of the American justice system.

That some could disagree means we need as much shrill hysterics as possible to draw attention to this.

What are we trying to draw attention to?

A guy threatened people and was put on a temporary psych hold. It is a daily occurrence and has been for a very, very long time.

What makes this one special? That he's a Truther?

24 posted on 08/23/2012 7:51:17 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: mazda77

Doesn’t that make your spidey senses tingle just a little?

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Not without more information. I had to involuntarily commit my off her meds bipolar mother (RIP) several times and for a judge to extend his stay to 30 days is a strong indicator that he’s got some serious issues. Judges in commitment cases (in my own experience of course - but I’ve experienced it first hand) are very heavily biased towards the patient, not to the side looking for commitment.


25 posted on 08/23/2012 7:53:52 AM PDT by dmz
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To: wideawake

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26 posted on 08/23/2012 7:56:31 AM PDT by Texas Gal (Yay shariah. It's as great as diarrhea.)
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To: wideawake
"He was neither arrested nor imprisoned. He is in the hospital."

Wrong. Whenever the State takes someone into custody it is legally considered an arrest. When you are locked in someplace by the State you are imprisoned. Semantics aside.

"A guy threatened people and was put on a temporary psych hold."

Please show me a shred of evidence that this guy threatened people. Give me the names of the people he threatened.

"I'm surprised you never heard of an involuntary psychiatric commitment."

Oh yes I heard of them. The USSC says a temporary hold requires probable cause to believe that the person is a danger to himself or others. There has not been a shred of evidence produced to this effect. And it is NOT a daily occurance that people are committed because of their political views......except back in the USSR.

27 posted on 08/23/2012 7:58:51 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: wideawake

Can you say NDAA? That’s what is likely going on here. First the DHS labels returning veterans as low level domestic terrorists and then they pass NDAA with the help of the GOP. Naturally they will use this evaluation period to try and keep the poor guy from ever having a firarm again.

The icing on the cake is that its a subtle form of intimidation for the rest of us to start self censoring so we don’t find ourselves in the same situation. They just tried this stuff on Ted Nugent a couple of months ago.

How many Lefty’s are they picking up and detaining? Answer: None.


28 posted on 08/23/2012 8:00:31 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Putting you in a psych ward is SOP for totalitarian regimes.

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Jeez, who knew my sister and I were following the SOPs of totalitarian regimes when we had to involuntarily commit our mother - who was off her meds and dangerously psychotic?

Clearly you’ve never been in an actual commitment hearing before a judge, because if you had, you’d know the bias towards the patient.

There just might be something more going on here than are privy to. A judge extending a stay by 30 days for eval is a strong indicator that the guy has some pretty serious mental health issues. And I say that, again, with only my own experience in these matters guiding my opinions.


29 posted on 08/23/2012 8:03:59 AM PDT by dmz
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To: wideawake
If, at the end of 30 days, he is not either released or found to be insane by independent physicians, then I would be much more concerned.

After the government has 30 days to fill him with various "medications" at the psychiatric facility he's being "evaluated" at, my bet is if he wasn't insane going in, he will be coming out. Time will tell.

30 posted on 08/23/2012 8:07:31 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Vote for Paul Ryan 2012...... oh, and that other guy running on his ticket that's not Obama.)
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To: wideawake

[ The fact that he is being held in a medical facility for 30 days in order to evaluate his health is less concerning. That’s not an uncommon phenomenon, even among those without a strong internet following.

If, at the end of 30 days, he is not either released or found to be insane by independent physicians, then I would be much more concerned. ]

This concerns me greatly, because some ivory tower paid off democrap hack of an psychologist could deem someone from the Tea Party as Insane and basically ruin thier life by taking them out of circulation for 30 days causing them to lose their job and/or crash the small business that they own if they are the sole proprietor.


31 posted on 08/23/2012 8:08:49 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Boogieman
It seems very unusual to me that, after his detention and the case becoming news, the media can’t find one person who actually knew him who says “He began acting strange a few years ago”, or “He was a loner”, etc. The media seems to always be able to dig up those witnesses within a day of any kind of story like this, when it is legitimate.

I haven't seen any quotes from family or friends saying "He is totally normal and together" either.

Not a lot of data for or against on that point.

I say more likely, because mental illness that would rise to the level of requiring a forced mental evaluation by the state is rare, and not something that I think you would be likely to be able to spot simply from someone’s internet postings.

If the Facebook screen capture I saw is authentic, he threatened federal employees.

That would occasion a visit. Apparently, when the police spoke to him they interpreted his responses as being symptomatic of mental illness and brought in an evaluator.

So it wasn't just posts but also an interview.

“The law requires that within four hours of detaining someone, you have to have a magistrate write a petition for a temporary restraining order,” said John Whitehead, an attorney with the Rutherford Institute, the Virginia-based civil rights firm that is defending the ex-Marine. “They didn’t do that. That didn’t happen.”

According to his attorney's filed motion, the TRO was not provided in four hours but in nine hours. So he is arguing a technical point - that they followed procedure but that it took too long.

There will be a hearing on that technical point today.

In practice, there are frequently arguments in court about timing, and typically judges will allow parties leeway on timing if they can demonstrate best efforts. As in "the ADA was waiting there for the TRO to be signed, but the presiding judge was busy and made her wait three hours" etc.

But as the motion concedes, the police brought in a county evaluator and an independent evaluator, did get a TRO and then did get a proper warrant for involuntary commission.

His attorney's argument is not based on a failure to undertake the legally necessary steps, but on their tardiness.

32 posted on 08/23/2012 8:12:27 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Texas Gal

Thank you.


33 posted on 08/23/2012 8:13:58 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Can you say NDAA?

This has nothing to do with any any federal statute, since Raub was detained under Virginia state law providing for involuntary commissions - a law that predates NDAA by decades.

34 posted on 08/23/2012 8:16:05 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: OB1kNOb
After the government has 30 days to fill him with various "medications" at the psychiatric facility he's being "evaluated" at

You don't medicate someone you're evaluating, because it interferes with your evaluation.

After the evaluation you then diagnose and decide to recommend medication or not.

my bet is if he wasn't insane going in, he will be coming out

He was a Truther going in.

35 posted on 08/23/2012 8:19:01 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: dmz

[ Jeez, who knew my sister and I were following the SOPs of totalitarian regimes when we had to involuntarily commit our mother - who was off her meds and dangerously psychotic? ]

You KNEW your mother and her condition as did the rest of your family, I have some crazy people in my family too.

As much as I can tell from the information from the media NOT ONE family memeber has stepped forward and said, “He is kinda off”... He was put under 30 day shrink wrap for the sole reason of one facebook posting for all we can tell.

The media doesn’t even cite a pattern of prolonged behavior or previous criminal charges etc... When people chat on message boards and facebook there is more “freedom” in saying what you really think in a more unfiltered way, do you really want a moment of “internet passion” end u you up in a 30 vacation in the looney bin?


36 posted on 08/23/2012 8:21:31 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG
This concerns me greatly, because some ivory tower paid off democrap hack of an psychologist could deem someone from the Tea Party as Insane and basically ruin thier life by taking them out of circulation for 30 days causing them to lose their job and/or crash the small business that they own if they are the sole proprietor.

You need to show cause in order to get a court-ordered warrant for an involuntary commission.

A normal Tea Partier rarely posts threats that tell military officers that "I am coming for you."

Tea Partiers, in my experience, are more about reasoned argument than vague threats.

37 posted on 08/23/2012 8:22:21 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: dmz

I’m sure you didn’t commit Mom to the psych ward for posting song lyrics on her facebook page. This is a whole different scenario.


38 posted on 08/23/2012 8:23:01 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: lward99

Under law, if you are committed to a mental institute you are forbidden to posses weapons thereafter. This is about nothing more than the old Soviet doctrine of “you want freedom, you must be insane”. This is a gun grab and case precedent nothing more.


39 posted on 08/23/2012 8:24:04 AM PDT by Waywardson (If you fear Obama..... vote for Romney. If you fear God... DON'T !)
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To: dmz

I’m sure you didn’t commit Mom to the psych ward for posting song lyrics on her facebook page. This is a whole different scenario.


40 posted on 08/23/2012 8:24:04 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: sassy steel magnolia

As my wife pointed out, Raub and the Special Ops laid their lives on the line so EVERYONE would have the right to free speech. And that includes themselves.

You’d think the Army Chief of Staff would realize that. But liberals think people fought and died just for those who agree with them.


41 posted on 08/23/2012 8:32:11 AM PDT by Terry Mross (To all my relatives and former friends: Do not contact me if you still love obama.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

GG, wideawake sounds crazy as hell to me. SOMEBODY LOCK HIM UP! He’s lucky I’m not the government. sarc/

Most people have no idea how powerful an accusation of mental illness is. Any so-called mental health provider can get you thirty days in lock up. That gives them thirty days to fill you with drugs and make you really crazy.

I also think this is a test case to see if anyone will stand up. So far they’ve gotten away with it.


42 posted on 08/23/2012 8:40:33 AM PDT by Terry Mross (To all my relatives and former friends: Do not contact me if you still love obama.)
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To: Terry Mross
GG, wideawake sounds crazy as hell to me. SOMEBODY LOCK HIM UP! He’s lucky I’m not the government. sarc/

Pretty sad breach of FR etiquette to mention someone in a post and not ping them.

Again, you seem to be missing a key distinction here: Raub got into trouble not because his posts "sounded crazy" but because he posted a threat.

He was committed because when the threat was investigated, the investigating officers thought he was not all there, and they brought in an independent medical professional to verify.

Most people have no idea how powerful an accusation of mental illness is.

It ius quite serious. Most people are well aware of this.

Any so-called mental health provider can get you thirty days in lock up.

Absolutely incorrect. There needs to be a hearing and a court order.

That gives them thirty days to fill you with drugs and make you really crazy.

Again, it is counterproductive to medicate someone before you know what the diagnosis is. That's why people are held, instead of just given a scrip.

I also think this is a test case to see if anyone will stand up. So far they’ve gotten away with it.

A test case for what?

Threatening people has been illegal for centuries. This is not a new concept.

Involuntarily committing people has been legal since the introduction of modern psychiatric care.

It is also not a new concept.

The spin here seems to be: "Dude was just harmlessly expressing his personal opinions on the Internet and some government spy thought he sounded crazy and put him in a hospital."

The more we learn about this case, the more deluded that analysis looks.

43 posted on 08/23/2012 9:24:08 AM PDT by wideawake
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If, at the end of 30 days, he is not either released or found to be insane by independent physicians, ...

Just wondering what happens to your life after 30 days of "evaluation?" If one is self-employed, is your business still viable" If you work for someone, does that company want you back? What do your aunts, uncles and cousins say to you at the next family reunion? Do old neighbors, once friendly to you, begin crossing the street to avoid conversations?

Someone who knows a person (family, long, long time friend, etc) might be able to pick out signs of instability, but...for the obama "administration" to read the residue of social sites and come to this conclusion stretches credulity.

44 posted on 08/23/2012 9:38:54 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: .45 Long Colt

Didn’t the Russian KGB used to send their political opponents, enemies and dissidents to mental institutions in Siberia? Hmmm.....


45 posted on 08/23/2012 9:49:56 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: sassy steel magnolia

“Three military retirees in this family think the Special Ops folks are “AWESOME!”,”

So do I.

But. . . is Brandon a Special Ops guy?


46 posted on 08/23/2012 9:53:03 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Georgia Girl 2

NDAA?

You mean the National Defense Authorization Act. . .the entire military budget. . .or select parts?

If select parts, what section(s) of the NDAA are you talking about.

I ask you for this info because your write strongly about what the bill says so that tells me you are well-informed and read the bill yourself.

I also want to read the bill, like you did. Always good to know exactly what the bill said.

I thank you in advance for providing links to the paragraph and section numbers.

Again, thanks for providing the information.


47 posted on 08/23/2012 10:01:02 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: wideawake
"A guy threatened people and was put on a temporary psych hold. It is a daily occurrence and has been for a very, very long time"

Oh really?:

A Hopewell circuit court judge has ordered that a Marine veteran detained over anti-government Facebook posts be released from a psychiatric hospital. CBS 6 News’ Catie Beck said the judge dismissed the case Thursday against Brandon Raub. The judge said the original petition for Raub’s detention contained no facts. In other words, there was no information on why Raub was being held

48 posted on 08/23/2012 10:29:56 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: wideawake

So you think it’s okay for cops to come to your door and determine you’re “not all there” and haul you away.

I say “most” people aren’t aware. You say “most” people are aware. A difference of oppinon.

When I say “health care provider” I’m talking about a shrink who stands before a judge and says “This guy needs to be evaluated for 30 days.” That’s a hearing. This “independent professional” was not “independent”. Who selected him to testify? Who’s paying him? He’s going to make a diagnosis based on FB posts the cops TOLD him about? Come on!

Counterproductive? That’s my point. And if you don’t think these places won’t fill you up with drugs, you’re naive. I KNOW people who had this happen to them.


49 posted on 08/23/2012 10:38:41 AM PDT by Terry Mross (To all my relatives and former friends: Do not contact me if you still love obama.)
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To: circlecity

I’m glad they found a judge who saw through this crap.

And for those who think the local cops will be on your side if there’s a CWII, these cops won’t.


50 posted on 08/23/2012 10:43:45 AM PDT by Terry Mross (To all my relatives and former friends: Do not contact me if you still love obama.)
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