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New Audio Surfaces of Obama Defending Infanticide in Illinois
Life News ^ | August 23, 2012 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 08/23/2012 3:20:44 PM PDT by NYer

That President Barack Obama was the only member of the Illinois legislature to not support a bill to provide medical care for newborns who survived failed late-term abortions is one of the key reasons pro-life voters will never support him.

Now, Weekly Standard reporter John McCormack has uncovered new audio of Obama, as a state legislator in Illinois in 2003, defending his position. Obama essentially argues that there is no need for the law because he trusts abortion practitioners to provide medical care for the baby they unsuccessfully tried to kill in an abortion.

The transcript of the video McCormack unearthed follows:

OBAMA: I just want to be clear because I think this was the source of the objections of the Medical Society. As I understand it, this puts the burden on the attending physician who has determined, since they were performing this procedure, that, in fact, this is a nonviable fetus; that if that fetus, or child – however way you want to describe it – is now outside the mother’s womb and the doctor continues to think that its nonviable but there’s, lets say, movement or some indication that, in fact, they’re not just out limp and dead, they would then have to call a second physician to monitor and check off and make sure that this is not a live child that could be saved. Is that correct?

OBAMA: Let me just go to the bill, very quickly. Essentially, I think, as — as this emerged during debate and during committee, the only plausible rationale, to my mind, for this legislation would be if you had a suspicion that a doctor, the attending physician, who has made an assessment that this is a nonviable fetus and that, lets say for the purposes of the mother’s health, is being — that — that labor is being induced, that that physician (a) is going to make the wrong assessment and (b) if the physician discovered, after the labor had been induced, that, in fact, he made an error, or she made an error, and, in fact, that that physician, of his own accord or her own accord, would not try to exercise the sort of medical measures and practices that would be involved in saving that child. Now, if — if you think that there are possibilities that doctors would not do that, then maybe this bill makes sense, but I — I suspect and my impression is, is that the Medical Society suspects as well that doctors feel that they would be under that obligation, that they would already be making these determinations and that, essentially, adding a — an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion. Now, if that’s the case – and –and I know that some of us feel very strongly one way or another on that issue – that’s fine, but I think it’s important to understand that this issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births. Because if these children are being born alive, I, at least, have confidence that a doctor who is in that room is going to make sure that they’re looked after. Thank you, Mr. President.”

Yesterday, McCormack uncovered an old video from 2003, when President Barack Obama was running for the U.S. Senate from Illinois, in which he defends his position favoring late-term abortions.

As an Illinois state senator, Obama was so supportive of late-term abortions, he resisted efforts to protect unborn children born alive after failed abortion procedures.

When Obama opposed a bill to stop infanticide as a member of the Illinois legislature, he said he did so because it reportedly contained language that would have contravened the Roe v. Wade decision. However, documents uncovered during the 2008 election show Obama has misrepresented his position.

Obama, as a member of the Illinois Senate, opposed a state version of the federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, a measure that would make sure babies who survive abortions are given proper medical care.

It also protected babies who were “aborted” through a purposeful premature birth and left to die afterwards.

On the federal level, pro-abortion groups withdrew their opposition to the bill after a section was added making sure it did not affect the status of legal abortions in the United States. Ultimately, the bill was approved on a unanimous voice vote with even leading pro-abortion lawmakers like Hillary Clinton and John Kerry backing it.

When Obama was running for the U.S. Senate in 2004, his opponent criticized him for supporting infanticide by voting against the Illinois version of the bill. Obama countered this charge by claiming that he had opposed the state bill because it lacked the neutrality clause found in the federal version.

As the Chicago Tribune reported on October 4, 2004, “Obama said that had he been in the U.S. Senate two years ago, he would have voted for the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, even though he voted against a state version of the proposal.”

During Obama’s 2008 run for President, he repeated those claims.

Documents obtained by the National Right to Life Committee showed Obama’s claim that he would have voted for the bill had it been Roe-neutral is a false argument.

According to the documents from the Illinois legislature, Obama, as the chairman of the Illinois state Senate Health and Human Services Committee, presided over a committee meeting concerning neutrality language that was an exact duplicate of the clause in the federal bill.

During the March 2003 committee, Obama voted in support of adding the neutrality clause, but then led his colleagues on the panel in voting down the anti-infanticide bill on a 6-4 vote.

“Barack Obama, as chairman of an Illinois state Senate committee, voted down a bill to protect live-born survivors of abortion,” NRLC legislative director Douglas Johnson told LifeNews.com at the time.

Johnson said Obama did so “even after the panel had amended the bill to contain verbatim language, copied from a federal bill passed by Congress without objection in 2002, explicitly foreclosing any impact on abortion.”

“Obama’s legislative actions in 2003 — denying effective protection even to babies born alive during abortions — were contrary to the position taken on the same language by even the most liberal members of Congress,” Johnson continued.

“The bill Obama killed was virtually identical to the federal bill that even NARAL ultimately did not oppose,” he concluded.


Audio: Obama argues against Born Alive legislation in IL state senate


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012election; abortion; election2012; infanticide; kenyanbornmuzzie; mittromney; obama; prolife
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1 posted on 08/23/2012 3:20:52 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Satanic evil!


2 posted on 08/23/2012 3:23:01 PM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: NYer
Oboma supports infants being killed AFTER they're born.

Kinda makes Akin look like a saint, doesn't it?

I hope Romney has the guts to bring this up during the debates. In fact, he'd better if the "Slaughter of the innocents" issue is raised.

3 posted on 08/23/2012 3:27:33 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: NYer

(...Big Inhale...) This is me holding my breath for this audio tape to be played on ANY MSM morning/noon/nightly newscast...


4 posted on 08/23/2012 3:28:26 PM PDT by Fedupwithit ("Live Free or Die: Death is not the worst of evils" - Gen. John Stark)
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To: NYer; newfreep

Where’s the one-two punch of him saying that doctors amputate arms for cash during the campaign???


5 posted on 08/23/2012 3:29:20 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: NYer

But lets crucify Akin’s!


6 posted on 08/23/2012 3:30:03 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: NYer

Is there a bastard that is sicker than this one?


7 posted on 08/23/2012 3:32:27 PM PDT by austinaero (Obama or America - can't have both)
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To: NYer

The problem is that Obama’s habit of talking and stuttering nonstop does not make for good soundbites.

GOP needs to work this into an ad and run it everywhere:

“. . . if that fetus, or child – however way you want to describe it – is now outside the mother’s womb and the doctor continues to think that its nonviable but there’s, lets say, movement or some indication that, in fact, they’re not just out limp and dead, they would then have to call a second physician to monitor and check off and make sure that this is not a live child that could be saved.”


8 posted on 08/23/2012 3:35:28 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: austinaero

No there is not.


9 posted on 08/23/2012 3:37:12 PM PDT by taterjay
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To: fortheDeclaration

Yup, remember the I do not want them to be punished with a baby statement in 08. Dems did not walk back 1 step on that one. That statement alone should have done him in.


10 posted on 08/23/2012 3:38:53 PM PDT by taterjay
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To: concerned about politics

“Oboma supports infants being killed AFTER they’re born.”........So were are the women liber’s now, 50 percent of those left to die are future women. Killing females (or male babies) is not right.


11 posted on 08/23/2012 3:45:05 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: NYer

If the Akin camp were smart,,they’d tie this Obama info to McCaskill. As in “Claire believes in killing live babies who survive abortions just as Obama does” kinda thing. Just my two cents.


12 posted on 08/23/2012 3:48:08 PM PDT by austinaero (Obama or America - can't have both)
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To: NYer

Wow, how could a man who places so little value on human life be our president? So sad.


13 posted on 08/23/2012 3:50:47 PM PDT by chickpundit
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To: newfreep

“Satanic evil!”

Yes, it is. I worked in NICU over 14 years. In all the places I worked we always had a designated “code” team for high risk deliveries, women delivering prematurely, women walking in off the street, etc. That was part of our job. I even took care of an infant that was the product of a failed, late term abortion, thanks to the hospital ethics team shaming and fear mongering the parents. The man is pure evil.


14 posted on 08/23/2012 3:51:45 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: NYer

The Romney campaign better use all of this stuff. Let the general public know what an extremist Obama is.


15 posted on 08/23/2012 3:52:23 PM PDT by Bridesheadfan
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To: austinaero

Maybe Akin can find a person who was conceived due to rape like the very lovely Rebecca Kiessling (attorney) to say “Democrats think I should be dead,,but here I am! Thank you Mr Akin for fighting for those like me!” Something like that


16 posted on 08/23/2012 3:52:29 PM PDT by austinaero (Obama or America - can't have both)
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To: NYer

Oh, but Akin......


17 posted on 08/23/2012 3:55:21 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: chickpundit; xzins; wagglebee
Wow, how could a man who places so little value on human life be our president?

Hitler was elected by an overwhelming majority of Lutheran Germans.

When people abandon God for material gain, they lose both.

18 posted on 08/23/2012 3:58:01 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: NYer

Obama is both a wild eyed leftist and a cold eyed phoney.


19 posted on 08/23/2012 3:59:44 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: NYer

If 0bama had a sister, she would look like Margaret Sanger with a real good tan.


20 posted on 08/23/2012 4:02:11 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: NYer

I mentioned Obama’s record regarding the Infant Born Alive legislation a few days ago in defense of the position that we all should vote for Romney.

There a multitude of reasons for wanting to get rid of Obama, but in my opinion if you are person with any kind of moral character all, Obama’s position regarding the Infant Born Alive act is the only reason you need to do whatever is necessary to remove him from office.


21 posted on 08/23/2012 4:03:28 PM PDT by PAR
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To: PAR

Just sent this article to my liberal parents with the following email:

“If you can vote for Obama after understanding in detail his record regarding the Infant Born Alive legislation, then God save your soul - you will surely burn in hell. Of course you could not read it and attempt to claim plausible deniability. But He will know.”


22 posted on 08/23/2012 4:14:39 PM PDT by PAR
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To: NYer

I’m sure this has come up before, but...

If a doctor attempts an abortion, and the child lives, isn’t the doctor guilty of attempted murder?


23 posted on 08/23/2012 4:17:08 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: NYer
"...that if that fetus, or child –

however way you want to describe it

– is now outside the mother’s womb and the doctor continues to think that its nonviable

but there’s, lets say, movement or some indication that, in fact, they’re not just out limp and dead..."

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Really, you mean to tell me that 94% of black folks, so of them strong Christian people, are going to vote for this cold-hearted freak again?

For what?

"Obama Money"?

24 posted on 08/23/2012 4:17:45 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: arkady_renko

>Really, you mean to tell me that 94% of black folks, so of them strong Christian people, are going to vote for this cold-hearted freak again?

>For what?
>”Obama Money”?

Yes, 90+% will vote for him because of the color of his skin. Period.


25 posted on 08/23/2012 4:27:43 PM PDT by soycd
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To: NYer

Despite this all being PUBLIC information obama carried the Catholic vote in 2008

Obama stickers on cars at Mass, pro obama priests and Catholic teachers and parents in 2008 at my parish and school .... disgusted me...

still do


26 posted on 08/23/2012 4:33:25 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: austinaero
Is there a bastard that is sicker than this one?

Yes. The one willing to blindly vote for him.
27 posted on 08/23/2012 4:43:34 PM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: NYer

hope audio goes viral on youtube


28 posted on 08/23/2012 4:52:20 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: silverleaf
Obama stickers on cars at Mass, pro obama priests and Catholic teachers and parents in 2008 at my parish and school .... disgusted me...

That is why that Notre Dame Priest who invited this vile baby killer to speak at the graduation should burn in hell.

29 posted on 08/23/2012 5:03:25 PM PDT by Never on my watch (I can see November from the Chick-Fil-A drive through lane.)
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To: Jedidah

Deserves a repeat:

“As I understand it, this puts the burden on the attending physician who has determined, since they were performing this procedure, that, in fact, this is a nonviable fetus; that if that fetus, or child – however way you want to describe it – is now outside the mother’s womb and the doctor continues to think that its nonviable but there’s, lets say, movement or some indication that, in fact, they’re not just out limp and dead, they would then....”

The man has ice water in his veins....true sociopath material there.


30 posted on 08/23/2012 5:05:11 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: NYer

Don’t anyone try to tell me those aren’t the words of a full blown sociopath.


31 posted on 08/23/2012 5:14:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: chickpundit

I shouldn’t have listened to that. I am physically ill now. Maybe depressed is a better description, but angry at the same time.

I knew what he was going to say, but to hear him say it was chilling.

I imagine this is what listening to Joseph Mengela describe his experiments would sound like.


32 posted on 08/23/2012 5:14:27 PM PDT by Never on my watch (I can see November from the Chick-Fil-A drive through lane.)
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To: PAR

I am so sorry that you have liberal parents. God is your faithful Father. I will pray that your message of “real” love gets through to them. Remember that the Word of God never returns void. God can soften the hardest heart


33 posted on 08/23/2012 5:14:46 PM PDT by happyhomemaker (Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Rom 12:12)
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To: penelopesire

Wow, can you imagine him with our health care? As we age and are no longer “useful” to society?

:shudders:


34 posted on 08/23/2012 5:16:10 PM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: penelopesire

This phrase:

” they’re not just out limp and dead,”

is one of the most chilling and abhorrent things I’ve ever heard a human say.


35 posted on 08/23/2012 5:18:22 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: PAR

will your parents actually take the time out to read and listen to this or wll like you said just shrug their shoulders and ignore it like so many other bozo the clown voters?


36 posted on 08/23/2012 5:20:27 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: penelopesire

The man has ice water in his veins....true sociopath material there.
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It’s OK ,, they’re just Amrican babies ... now if this were in Indonesia it would be a different story..


37 posted on 08/23/2012 5:20:52 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: NYer

Not to knock anybody about it but this audio isn’t exactly new. The Youtube vid was posted on Oct. 30, 2008. With less than 9,000 views it is America’s shame that it has been ignored.


38 posted on 08/23/2012 5:21:19 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: concerned about politics

> Oboma supports infants being killed AFTER they’re born.

Billboards needed on every Interstate.


39 posted on 08/23/2012 5:24:48 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Jedidah

That’s the one that jumped out at me too. So uninvolved and unmoved by any real life suffering that might be going on and in fact he seems to not even register that he is talking about a human being.
Chilling.


40 posted on 08/23/2012 5:36:43 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: NYer

The child attempting to play the roll of a man. That is all he is. An infant in life. An infant in knowledge. An infant in leadership. An infant in decision making. An amateur in the White House. This is what we have now. Basically, when you really look around the political landscape these days, we do not have “statesmen” or “leaders”. We are STUCK with “politicians.”


41 posted on 08/23/2012 5:37:10 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Signs of the Times are clear. The days grow short. Your only way to avoid is BELIEVE in Him!)
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To: LibsRJerks

Excellent point! I hope someone does a commercial with this tape and then cuts to say something like you just said:

Can we really trust this man with the healthcare of any person in this country?


42 posted on 08/23/2012 5:40:08 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: NYer
I just hope someone, somewhere, decides to make this an issue (it should have been in 08 had the wuss McPain or the RNC chosen to) and decides to run ads throughout the country.

I would dig very deep to contribute to such a cause.

43 posted on 08/23/2012 5:44:54 PM PDT by neveralib
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To: manc

They probably won’t read it. My Dad is a practicing Catholic who is very anti-abortion, but somehow he found a way to rationalize a vote for Obama in 08. He said with Roe v. Wade in place Obama and McCain were functionally equivalent. Now he knows better. He likes to tell me he is not a one issue voter, to which I respond “If that one issue is killing innocent babies then you should be a one issue voter. Would you vote for someone who had been convicted of killing an adult by shooting them in the head at point blank range? If you wouldn’t, then you can’t vote for Obama”.

Romney has a crummy record on abortion, but Obama’s record on Infant Born Alive legislation for me makes him a truly evil human being. Think about it - a baby is born alive, struggling to survive, and is just left in a disposal room to die. Obama supported that. There was a story in 08 where a nurse in Illinois recalled a story where an aborted baby was born alive, was left to die, she held the baby in an attempt to comfort the baby as it struggled for its life, eventually dying. Obama opposed the legislation that would prevent this from happening. Then he lied about it, as outlined in the article above. Words fail.


44 posted on 08/23/2012 5:47:10 PM PDT by PAR
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"is one of the most chilling and abhorrent things I’ve ever heard a human say."

Right. Obama wants to make sure that there was a legitimate murder committed.

45 posted on 08/23/2012 5:49:20 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: NYer
Comparison of the Illinois and federal BAIPA bills

On March 12-13, 2003, the Illinois state senate committee chaired by Senator Barack Obama amended the proposed state Born-Alive Infants Protection bill (SB 1082) to exactly track the language of the already-enacted federal BAIPA, by adopting Senate Amendment No. 1, 10-0. The committee then voted to kill the amended bill, 6-4, with Obama and the other Democrats on the committee voting against it. The bill that Obama and his colleges voted to kill, as amended, was virtually identical to the federal law. The entirely non-substantive points at which the state bill language still differed from the federal law are shown in brackets below (except we have ignored differences in capitalizing).


46 posted on 08/23/2012 5:58:19 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: alancarp

There are even sicker people - look up Peter Singer and other sickos who believe that a parent should have the right to terminate a child up to 1 month after they are born if it interferes with the quality of the parents life.

I don’t know too many parents whose quality of life isn’t affected by a new baby, the thought of killing them is just horrid.

Satan is the only answer to this evil.


47 posted on 08/23/2012 6:01:13 PM PDT by No Socialist
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To: NYer

I doubt Romney or the RNC would ever touch something this controversial, but it would be perfect for an independent ad by a pro-life pac: imagine the line below repeated several times (along with a graphic providing a tally of all the black children aborted during Obama’s time in government):

” . . . if that fetus, or child – however way you want to describe it – is now outside the mother’s womb and the doctor continues to think that its nonviable but there’s, lets say, movement or some indication that, in fact, they’re not just out limp and dead . . . they’re not just out limp and dead . . . they’re not just out limp and dead . . . “

If you think the donkey’s howled like stuck pigs after the ads pointing out how BO gutted welfare reform, imagine how’d they’d respond to an ad describing Obama’s view of infant abortion survivors.


48 posted on 08/23/2012 6:17:29 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: NYer

Did he support “legitimate murder”?


49 posted on 08/23/2012 6:26:12 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Only Obama put a dog on the roof of his mouth. Dogs are friends, not food.)
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To: PAR
your dad sounds very much like my MIL from up north in MA.

Every issue she agrees with my wife, her daughter and I but she always sees to find some excuse to vote Dem, however she has said she will not vote this time for obama.

I've just been speaking to my oldest 14 and my wife about this and explained what he did not vote for and what he wanted.

It truly is sick, could there not be a group which would put an AD up telling the public how abortions are done and what obama would do if that child survived the abortion.?

My oldest is with the sheriff explorers and so learns many aspects of the law.
He asked me why is it that if a pregnant woman is killed then the murderer is done for two murders, the baby and the mother but if a mother kills her child then some seem fit to say that is alright.

He has a great point but shame that some adults cannot see this.

I'll be honest I;m middle aged and never cared less about abortion or even the homo's but as I had children and especially as I raised my boys to be future men and fathers then I looked as life differently.

50 posted on 08/23/2012 6:27:33 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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