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Will Dumping Math Requirements Increase College Grad Rates? / worthless college degrees
http://www.educationnews.org/education-policy-and-politics/will-dumping-math-requirements-increase-college-grad-rates/ ^

Posted on 08/23/2012 5:31:40 PM PDT by wintertime

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To: Gay State Conservative
You realize of course that without the </sarc> tag you will get hammered at least once...
61 posted on 08/23/2012 7:45:01 PM PDT by FredZarguna (No one is so determined, as someone determined to be wrong.)
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To: FredZarguna
Charles Murray does state that their are professions that do require specific university degrees, but most of the work done in the U.S. historically never required more than a solid 8th grade education coupled with on the job training, and selected college level courses offered to bright and ambitious employees ( often taught by the professionals working in the business in the evening or on Saturday) .

My father and mother were born in 1913. Few of this generation graduated from high school let along went to college, but look at the health, wealth, and fun produced by this ( greatest) generation. If college was not required for most of the work done then ( except for some very specific professions) then the same is true today.

62 posted on 08/23/2012 7:52:29 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: Gay State Conservative

Sitting here laughing. Very cute!


63 posted on 08/23/2012 7:54:14 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: wintertime

IMO, a better choice is to drop the algebra and trigonometry for most college majors and replace it with accounting, statistics and probability. These math skills are most often used in the real world, while still adhering to the “you need to learn math in college” standard.


64 posted on 08/23/2012 7:58:35 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: FredZarguna

Their should be “There”. Oops!

I absolutely agree with you, and so does Charles Murray, that some professions absolutely require a university setting.

But? ....Do you think that everything those in the science professions study needs to be acquired on a campus. There are AP ( advanced placement) tests now given on the high school level that are fully accepted by many colleges. There is a wide variety of AP tests offered.

One young man in my church has a masters in chemical engineering and he complete nearly two years of college credit by taking AP courses ( a certifiable qualifying exam). It saved him a ton of money and **time**.


65 posted on 08/23/2012 8:01:02 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: tbw2

“IMO, a better choice is to drop the algebra and trigonometry....”

I never thought I’d actually use algebra in day-to-day life, but I was proven very wrong. I had to use it regularly for years, and still occasionally do. Trig. on the other hand, I’ve never used. Every college student should know at least basic algebra.


66 posted on 08/23/2012 8:06:57 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: wintertime

“Specifically, the argument is that since many college students, a disproportionately large number of them of an African-American or Hispanic descent, are unprepared to tackle college-level mathematics courses, they might be stymied by a requirement that all those receiving a degree from a particular institution must pass the freshman version of the course.”

So let’s admit it, blacks are a bunch of IDIOTS and should not be held to the standards that white America is held to. But consider this:

http://imanischool.org/690531.ihtml

My kids went to Christian schools here in Houston. They were years ahead of their grade level (since we taught them before entering schools and then on the side), but they had to compete against this no-name BLACK school, Imani, in spelling and math Olympics. These kids literally, at least in Houston, BLEW THE DOORS OFF of white Christian School kids. My kids managed to beat them, but only because of their education outside of schools.

One other thing worth mentioning. These Imani kids knew how to cheer for and support their classmates. They also knew how to behave and put the whities to shame when it was time to be quiet and respectful.

I realize that Jesse, Shelia, and the rest just wish these kids would go away - but some of us are VERY PROUD of them.


67 posted on 08/23/2012 8:07:27 PM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: tbw2
accounting, statistics and probability
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A better choice would be to drop college attendance completely and take accounting, statistics, and probability if needed by the job.

Think about it. Why does the Marriott Hotel check-in clerk need a college degree, accounting, statistics, or probability unless, ( by demonstrating focus and dedication) she/he would be identified as someone who should be groomed for management. A solid eighth grade education should be more than enough to do the job.

68 posted on 08/23/2012 8:12:09 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: wintertime

Welcome to the warped world of the Pooblik Skool Collective.


69 posted on 08/23/2012 8:12:46 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: GladesGuru
Welcome to the warped world of the Pooblik Skool Collective.
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:-)

A godless, single-payer,compulsory use, compulsory funded, prison-like, socialist-entitlement, and price-fixed cartel! Managed by the People's Collective elected by the Voting Mob! ( Misnamed School Board)

70 posted on 08/23/2012 8:22:54 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: wintertime

“A solid eighth grade education should be more than enough to do the job.”

My grandfather had an 8th grade education and was married to a school teacher. I’m guessing his education was a heck of a lot better than what we’re graduating today.


71 posted on 08/23/2012 8:24:03 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: sportutegrl

No, no. Men are rational. Women are irrational. If men are real, women are imaginary.


72 posted on 08/23/2012 8:24:16 PM PDT by RonF
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To: pops88
My grandfather had an 8th grade education and was married to a school teacher. I’m guessing his education was a heck of a lot better than what we’re graduating today.
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You bet! And....The majority of his generation attended one-room schools.

So?...Think of a nice cozy one room school where all the parents know each other well and the teacher, and then compare that to your local public school that looks like a minimum security prison. Many of the towns in my state have elementary schools with FOUR first grades. What is that? A factory? A prison?

73 posted on 08/23/2012 8:30:03 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: wintertime; FredZarguna

My son got his B.S. in Mech. Eng. from the University of Illinois. He had to pay an extra $3K in tuition each year. The concept is that an engineering lab costs a lot more to build and run than a library. Also, an engineering professor can make more as an engineer than an English professor can at ... whatever else an English professor might do for a living.

OTOH, he got a job that paid $55K/year + a car and overtime when he graduated.


74 posted on 08/23/2012 8:32:55 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Reily; sportutegrl

And some men are imaginary.


75 posted on 08/23/2012 8:35:10 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: RonF

I learn something new every day on Free Republic. I had no idea.


76 posted on 08/23/2012 8:35:29 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: wintertime

“The majority of his generation attended one-room schools.”

And they learned using chalk and slate. Parent’s didn’t have to sign a waiver to pay $1000 if the personal lap top was damaged, they didn’t need a computer lab, they didn’t have reams of paper in all the colors of the rainbow, as well as paint, colored pencils, magic markers, or paper towels, Kleen-x, etc. How did we ever manage to get where we are? When I got the list from my daughter’s school of what was expected to be sent for the “collective,” I had more than a few expletives I wanted to write on the paper and send back. They aren’t schools, they’re social engineering centers run by the government funneling money to unions. If we hadn’t been in bankruptcy thanks to Bush and being directly targeted by the government, she’d never have stepped foot in a public school.

And they learned using chalk and slate. Parent


77 posted on 08/23/2012 8:46:12 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: pops88

“And they learned using chalk and slate. Parent”

But I repeat myself. Still good advice- parent your children.


78 posted on 08/23/2012 8:49:31 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: wintertime

I have a degree in chem Eng from a world renowned university. I was required among other math related courses to take a course called ‘Higher Math for Engineers and Physicists’. In my many years of industrial work I came away with the idea that there is certainly a a place/purpose for having the reasoning capability of the higher math. However, there is probably just as many places/purposes where a much lower level of math by some ‘technician’ is needed to get a project successfully completed. There is no substitute for coordinated levels of mathematical capabilities.


79 posted on 08/23/2012 9:09:06 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: noinfringers2

Did you have t-shirt that read-

“Chem Es Do It In Packed Beds”

That was my personal favorite college t-shirt back in the 70’s.


80 posted on 08/23/2012 9:25:53 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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