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U.S., Japan move ahead with Osprey deployment
Xinhuane ^ | 2012-06-30 05:34:16 | English

Posted on 08/23/2012 10:14:58 PM PDT by Rabin

U.S. Defense Department on Friday announced it is moving forward with deployment of the "accident-prone" MV-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft in Japan beginning in August, despite local resistance. The Pentagon; Ospreys will replace CH-46 helicopters It acknowledged MV-22 and a CV-22 aircraft by the governor of Okinawa. On April 11 in Morocco, an MV-22 crashed, flight data indicates the aircraft performed as expected untill it crashed. The Pentagon said there were no problems with the aircraft's safety. Earlier this month, a CV-22 crashed during a training mission in Navarre, Florida, leaving five crew members injured. A preliminary review uncovered no information that would justify the aircraft's continued operation.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; mv22; okinawa; osprey
MV-22 Osprey can do lotsa cool things. Costs a bunch (15 + Cobras) ea. Can be dropped by a single 22LR. Very tough to pilot in any crunch. Glides like a stone, no AR.

http://www.g2mil.com/V-22safety.htm

Raben.

1 posted on 08/23/2012 10:15:05 PM PDT by Rabin
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To: Rabin

I was a big fan of the osprey until i found about this new tech
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-97_Raider
It could travel x2 the speed of traditional helicopters and if they build a transport version using this tech, it could rival the osprey


2 posted on 08/23/2012 10:20:42 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Rabin
"On April 11 in Morocco, an MV-22 crashed ... Flight data indicates the aircraft performed as expected."
Expect the usual suspects to come worship the V-22.
4 posted on 08/23/2012 11:45:26 PM PDT by ME-262 (Ichabod)
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To: Rabin

V-22 is a piece of feces. Decades in development and still hasn’t bugs fixed.

They should have written “crashed as expected”.

There are alternative designs of fast choppers with pusher props.


5 posted on 08/24/2012 1:15:33 AM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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To: Rabin
(15 + Cobras) ea.

You apparently have been smoking dope. Cost of a new build AH-1Z is $31 million per the Department of the Navy FY 2011 budget estimate. A reman AH-1W will run you $27 million. A MV-22 will run you $70 million.

Can be dropped by a single 22LR.

Quite incorrect as the hostile fire it has encountered and survived in both Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention the extensive ballistic testing it underwent during EMD, attests.

Very tough to pilot in any crunch.

Pilots with Osprey ratings; actually powered lift ratings, disagree.

Glides like a stone, no AR.

Any idea what the actual L/D is and do you have any explanation as to why most auto rotation attempts in conventional rotary winged platforms being flown in the US military today result in Class A mishaps?

http://www.g2mil.com/V-22safety.htm

g2mil? You gotta be s***ting me! The proprietor of that blog, Carlton Meyer, has zero practical experience in aviation let alone tactical aviation. Meyer was banned from posting at military.com when he was caught attempting to pass off congressional testimony that he personally fabricated as if it were actually in the congressional record. Meyer was not allowed to remain in the Marine Corps after his initial obligation ended and he is in bed with the America hating communists at CDI. Meyer turned down a personal invitation from then Captain John Sarno USMC; who was a pilot assigned to VMX-22 conducting operational tests of the MV-22, to travel to Edwards and question him and his fellow Marines about the aircraft and even fly aboard an Osprey.

Carlton Meyer should stick to ordering toothbrushes and dental floss for his wife's dental practice in El Cerrito, Ca. and stay the hell away from a topic he is woefully ignorant of. Any person who relies on that puke for their gouge should have their head examined.

Even counting two crashes of Air Force CV-22Bs in the past two years, the Osprey's safety record has been exceptionally good since the aircraft was redesigned and retested a decade ago. Since Oct. 1, 2001, three Ospreys have crashed with a loss of six lives. During the same period, the U.S. military has lost 414 helicopters at a cost of 606 deaths.
Richard Whittle, Aol Defense, 9 July 2012

6 posted on 08/24/2012 1:42:07 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: 4rcane
it could rival the osprey

Only if you believe the pitch of the salesmen at Sikorsky. Based on their own projections it isn't even close to equaling the performance of the V-22.

7 posted on 08/24/2012 1:47:05 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: ME-262
Expect people like you who know nothing about the aircraft to criticize it.

Have you had a screen test at MSNBC yet?

8 posted on 08/24/2012 1:48:52 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

AMEN, AA! Right on all counts. Is everyone aware that the last two mishaps are formally attributed to pilot error? I thought not. These skeptics are basing their opinions on less-than factual accounts that ignore the last decade of successful operational employment in combat and training.

TC


9 posted on 08/24/2012 4:24:02 AM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: A.A. Cunningham

FR needs a “like” button.


10 posted on 08/24/2012 4:41:01 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: 4rcane
I was a big fan of the osprey until i found about this new tech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-97_Raider

This piece tech won't fly before 2014. I expect the same amount of problems as with the Osprey.

In 2014 a request for proposal is expected for the Armed Aerial Scout (AAS) because the Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter program (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_ARH-70) failed due to unit costs. About US$14.5 million for light military helicopter ARH-70 Arapaho compared to US$18 million for an Apache.

Problem for S-97 will also be the price. Within the contest is the UH-72A Lakota at about US$6 million per unit (Flyaway cost,FY2012. A successor from the BO 105.
Another problem for S-97 is service ceiling height. Just 10.000 ft at 95°F compared with 18.000 ft for UH-72A or 20.000 ft for ARH-70.

11 posted on 08/24/2012 8:26:22 AM PDT by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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To: Rabin

Flight time to maintenance ratio on the MV-22 Osprey is 22 hours of maintenance to one hour of flight time. This is considered high ... about the same as the Boeing CH-47 Chinook helicopter.


12 posted on 08/24/2012 8:36:55 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: BluH2o
Flight time to maintenance ratio on the MV-22 Osprey is 22 hours of maintenance to one hour of flight time. This is considered high ... about the same as the Boeing CH-47 Chinook helicopter.

Source?

By the way, one Army squadron reports that the Chinook requires about 57 MMH/FH, ~ three times that of the MV-22, and 1.3 times that of the CH-53E.

13 posted on 09/21/2012 5:02:08 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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