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Not the Behavior of a Winning Campaign
RedState ^ | August 24 2012 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 08/24/2012 3:04:47 AM PDT by iowamark

The media keeps showing its rear end. Let me just make that clear. If you are a competent reporter, I’m not sure how you cannot be embarrassed by the majority of those in your profession right now covering politics.

From Mark Halperin, to Jake Tapper, to Chuck Todd, more journalists are actually now admitting just how pliable the media is when it comes to Barack Obama’s spin. All week long, as the economy deteriorates, most every anchor at most every news outlet, most every editorialist in most every paper, and most every “centrist” and liberal pundit has been pointing out the GOP’s extremist abortion position.

Few, if any, have pointed out that Barack Obama’s abortion on demand position is extreme. Few, if any, have pointed out how most Americans favor restrictions on abortion. Few, if any, have pointed out that Mitt Romney’s position is actually more mainstream than Barack Obama’s. Few, if any, have wanted to go beyond Politifact’s ham-handed cover for Obama on infanticide and get into what Barack Obama actually said in 2002. Hear him come out for infanticide yourself right here. Remember, the media is hiding behind the left-leaning Politifact (and yes, it does lean left) to avoid having to deal with this.

They cannot help themselves. But why are they doing it?

They are doing it for the exact same reason Joe Biden is claiming the GOP will put black people back in chains and why Barack Obama would rather talk about uteri than jobs — they all know Barack Obama is losing this thing.

Hysteria creeps into campaigns when the campaigns know they are losing. When George H. W. Bush saw the election slipping away in 1992, he took to referring to Bill Clinton and Al Gore as Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. The invective went up as his poll numbers went down.

Barack Obama and the Democrats are going to throw in the towel on the tradition of sitting on the sidelines during their opponent’s political convention. In the past, the parties did this with each other. Not now. The Obama campaign cannot afford to. It is too close and polling is about to shift from registered voters to likely voters, which will generate negative numbers for him. He must surrender another tradition to engage in more hyper partisan mudslinging because he is losing.

More and more polls are showing Mitt Romney trending upwards in swing states. More and more polls are showing Americans growing more pessimistic about the economy. More and more economists are starting to worry about the economy. Gas prices and milk prices are going up while take home pay is going down.

The hysterics we are seeing from the Democrats come as reality hits everyone. Even I have been convinced that Romney was going to blow this thing. The stupid statement about the Soptics not having the fate they had if they were in Massachusetts could have been game over.

But then Paul Ryan became the veep pick. He has now given Romney purpose. He has defined the campaign. He has put Barack Obama on defense. Consider this — the sage voices of the GOP were convinced the GOP could not win the fight on budgetary and entitlement reform. They were convinced Paul Ryan would sink the ticket.

Then the Democrats tried to define Paul Ryan and failed. They have been failing ever since. Their attempts to define Mitt Romney didn’t do enough and they have yet to settle on a narrative to define Paul Ryan. They are grasping at straws. Now they’d even fight the Associated Press style book to try to go after Paul Ryan.

And that gets us back to the media. At what point will they finally start asking if Barack Obama needs a campaign shake up? Because if it was Mitt Romney in the same boat, they sure as hell would. In fact, there have already been two different media cycles about Romney needing a campaign shake up and not one about Barack Obama.

Why? The simple truth remains the vast majority of the media is more sympathetic to and friendly with Team Obama and would hate to ruffle the feathers of friends. It’s one of the greatest thing Mitt Romney has going for him right now.


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The simple truth remains the vast majority of the media is more sympathetic to and friendly with Team Obama and would hate to ruffle the feathers of friends. It’s one of the greatest thing Mitt Romney has going for him right now.
1 posted on 08/24/2012 3:05:02 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark

But Akins used the term ‘legimate rape’ so all is lost!


2 posted on 08/24/2012 3:09:38 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: iowamark

I see Romney will be nominated on Monday. Great! Then he can access his $$ to fight back.


3 posted on 08/24/2012 3:13:46 AM PDT by quilterdebbie (We will endeavor to persevere!)
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To: iowamark

Staying on the abortion issue distracts from the more important issues at hand like the economy, Obamacare, the countless lies he has told and promises that he’s broken, the laws he has put on the books that infringe on Constitutional rights, the new technologies and events that have surfaced that will keep him in power (new vehicle mounted heat ray guns for population control, lightning deflection control devices, the new NSA spy station in Utah that will most certainly be used to spy on citizens, over 2500 APCs that Homeland Security has acquired, huge amounts of ammunition that has recently been acquired, etc...), the divisive atmosphere that he has created, etc...

The sooner that Romney wakes up and realizes he has been distracted, led down a rabbit hole and put on the defensive the better. They say Howard Stern is the king of media but he is nothing compared to The Great One.


4 posted on 08/24/2012 3:22:11 AM PDT by jsanders2001 (Make May 2nd Fire a Mexican and Hire a non-Latino Day!)
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To: iowamark

Most media support socialism and communism. they are just to stupid to know it.


5 posted on 08/24/2012 3:33:28 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: iowamark

I just can’t see anything here that looks like a ‘campaign’, in the political sense, at least - with open debate over ideas, ideal, or ideologies (or at least ‘lip service’ to these ends)..

It more resembles a military/revolutionary ‘campaign’ with a ‘divide and conquer’ strategy entailing propaganda, personal destruction of adversaries, and whatever illegitimate tactics feed their ends...

The Pubbies are, of course, bringing marshmallows to a gun fight...


6 posted on 08/24/2012 3:34:45 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: iowamark

I will probably get boo’d here, but I am just telling you all what I see from my vantage point. I was at a Republican Executive Meetining last night. What you do not see is the ground game going on. Romney and the County RNC’s are very organized. We have had boots on the ground for 3 mos. now, knocking on doors, taking Precinct by Precinct talking to folks. Romney Campaign gave a victory center in the middle of Polk County with 20 phone banks. This center is manned by the local Republican groups. VOLUNTEERS. We are always number 1-3 in the state making phone calls every day! People, the true facts are these, it is a ground game. When we started to get out the registration drive door by door, Obama’s crew went to the Black Churches and spoke and registered them. Meeting our registrations 2-1 at one point. 2- it will be early voting and absentee ballots that wins this thing. Proof? Our primaries. 47% were early and absentee voting. 3- you must get off your asses and stop complaining. Change one mind that is iffy. Bring someone to the polls. If you know an elderly person, help them get an absentee ballot. We only have 74 days and cut that for early voting.
We were told last night that we have to work harder on the 1-4 corridor to make up for South Florida which will be lost to us. Can’t fight it. DWS and her crowd of losers are tough fight down there. That means that everybody will count down there. This must be treated like a military mission and nothing more. Get going!!! Stop complaining and put blinders on! Please, the country truely is hanging in the balance.
Don’t agree with me, it’s ok. But, seriously we are all on this site for the same reason truth be told. We love God, we love our families, and we love our country. God gave us this gift, he gave us family and love. He gave us this wonderful Country. Please help us take the steps to take it back. We can make a change to the Right. We need everybody’s help though. I will not fight anyone on this site over semantics today. I know Romney isn’t the best, but he is what we have. The down ticket needs us all too!
God Bless you.


7 posted on 08/24/2012 3:53:48 AM PDT by marygam (#Hurry November 2012, we might not make it#)
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To: iowamark
I'm not one to say that Paul Ryan was the reason Romney will win this election. I believe that if Romney had picked Tim Pawlenty, or Rob Portman, Romney still would've won....just by a smaller margin.

I believe there are so many people who despise Obama that he doesn't stand a chance this November. Paul Ryan simply makes sure that Conservatives will not only crawl over broken glass to get to the polls, but they'll drag a few friends with them to crawl over that broken glass with them as well.

8 posted on 08/24/2012 3:56:41 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: iowamark

The Akin thing will soon be forgotten.


9 posted on 08/24/2012 3:58:44 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: iowamark
It infuriates me to think about just how much the media is responsible for the destruction of our Republic and way of life over the past several decades.

The purposeful non-vetting of Obama and his very controversial and shaky background is a legacy that should forever tarnish these partisans in journalist clothing.

As we slip into the darkness we can primarily blame not Liberals and Leftists; not even big government statists, but rather the media talking heads, Hollywood superstars, and the rest that have led the rank and file Americans down the propaganda path all these many years.

10 posted on 08/24/2012 4:04:56 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Biggirl

Yep. Rush sure survived Fluke. In the end, it was his sponsors who lost.


11 posted on 08/24/2012 4:16:00 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: marygam
Mary, the SEIU is running the most AWFUL LYING AD about Romney Ryan TAKING AWAY Medicare and Medicaid, on AM 1450 in Sarasota, that is a music station for older people. Thos MUST be countered!!!

Someone needs to run ad ad negating EVERYTHING on this ad....it was FRIGHTENING. SEIU is DISGUSTING.

12 posted on 08/24/2012 4:18:38 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Biggirl

Not if Akin stays in.


13 posted on 08/24/2012 4:19:25 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: jsanders2001

I don’t think the distractions being thrown out there by Obama are working, and his campaign seems to know it. Even though fragments of the media are starting to turn on him (only because their blind support had become a point of derision), I will never forgive them for foisting a Muslim Communist on us for president.

They created a country ruled by sexual deviants, unassimilated multi-generationally dependent ethnic minorities, and illegal aliens; the damage will last for decades if not forever.


14 posted on 08/24/2012 4:19:38 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: iowamark

Call me cynical, but it looks as though the media will develop a spine just in time to ask Romney the “tough” questions.


15 posted on 08/24/2012 4:25:19 AM PDT by folkquest (Nothing is fool-proof because fools are so ingenious!)
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To: Ann Archy

I know Ann. The Union Thugs are out in force all over the Tampa Bay area as we speak. They are pushing their message. Romney campaign has spent their money on manning the campaign headquarters in important demographics. His money will not be let loose until he is declared next Thursday. Then it begins again with ads. He has a war chest ready.
We still need boots on ground. If you know elderly folks, talk to them and help them get to polls or absentee.
I understand the frustration, as I expierence it as well. Just saying we need everyone’s help. By the way, you have a great 912 group in Sarasota and your REC is an active one from what I hear. If you are not involved get involved.


16 posted on 08/24/2012 4:27:23 AM PDT by marygam (#Hurry November 2012, we might not make it#)
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To: marygam
We need everybody’s help though. I will not fight anyone on this site over semantics today

Well said.

Yesterday was a good day for me as I signed up 4 young people to vote for Romney.

Two are still in college and they committed to each getting 2 more of their friends to vote for Romney.

Many young folks are tired of obama's lies, whines and plain bullshit.

17 posted on 08/24/2012 4:28:55 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: marygam

Wht is REC and 912?


18 posted on 08/24/2012 4:31:06 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: dalebert

“Most media support socialism and communism. they are just to stupid to know it.”
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Or won’t admit it. I have noticed that there are many who will gleefully preach the socialist gospel but cannot admit that it is socialism. They go nuts if you call it what it is.
They are growing though, many of them will admit to being liberals or progressives now, just a few years ago they called themselves moderates or even conservatives while preaching socialism.


19 posted on 08/24/2012 4:40:17 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: iowamark
Hysteria creeps into campaigns when the campaigns know they are losing.

And the first sign is disarray, a lack of cohesiveness in the message. The media is part of the Democrat Party message machine. In addition to the three "journalists" mentioned above, we could add Anderson Cooper's dismantling of Wasserman-Schultz yesterday.

The question is: why would the media begin to jump ship? Is it because they are afraid they'll lose credibility? Not a chance. The media know they serve to prop up liberals and liberal tenets for those who need the constant affirmation just to maintain their warped world-view.

No, the reason the media is beginning to turn on Obama is that they realize that their beloved Democratic Party could go down with him.

The media's beginning to see the big picture, and it ain't pretty for the party.

It's either back Obama and cause the whole ship to sink, or put the captain out to sea.

20 posted on 08/24/2012 4:40:17 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: dalebert

Nope. I think they do know it. Like Obama, they try and hide their true leanings.


21 posted on 08/24/2012 4:41:51 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: iowamark

Spin? Nothing quite so clever.

Spin is the act of taking an event or a speech and attempting to force your interpretation on the media and the public.

The Obama campaign - and Axelrod in particular - can’t even achieve that lowly standard. They have, er, progressed to outright lies completely untethered to anything that can be checked, verified or examined in its raw state.

‘We’ve created jobs’
‘Our plan is working’
‘Without X, Y would have failed’

etc.

Media fact-checking seems courageous and principled but it’s usually an exercise in statistical minutiae.

Obama’s lies are so over-the-top that no rational person could or would believe them. But reinforcement is still the most powerful shaper of human behavior and since the media have yet to challenge the president directly on his outrageous claims of success what incentive does he have to change or at least to think twice before uttering such nonsense?


22 posted on 08/24/2012 4:50:18 AM PDT by relictele
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To: wayoverontheright
No, the reason the media is beginning to turn on Obama is that they realize that their beloved Democratic Party could go down with him.

I think you are on to something.

23 posted on 08/24/2012 4:50:49 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: marygam

The same thing is happening in Virginia. This is entirely different from 4 years ago.


24 posted on 08/24/2012 4:52:45 AM PDT by 103198
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To: marygam

Why would you be booed for volunteering and personally expending effort to help the Romney campaign?

Regardless of our nominee, many believe that principle and a desire to see Obama take one square on the jaw (metaphorically speaking) at last are enough to sway the election but if the Democrats have one advantage it is their robotic focus on bodies and numbers. They are happy to have a red-herring debate on Voter ID safe in the knowledge that they can and will do whatever it takes to circumvent such laws, especially absentee ballot fraud.

I’m always amazed that the 2000 election doesn’t receive more scrutiny beyond ‘it was close,’ ‘I’m glad Bush prevailed’ and jokes about hanging chad. But it was close only because of Dem vote fraud and the fact that they finally got caught with their pants down.


25 posted on 08/24/2012 4:59:01 AM PDT by relictele
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To: dalebert

no they know it, the writers “guild” is completely unabashedly communist


26 posted on 08/24/2012 4:59:15 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Ann Archy; marygam

http://the912-project.com/


27 posted on 08/24/2012 5:02:55 AM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: upchuck

Thanks....what is REC.....Republican Election Committee??


28 posted on 08/24/2012 5:05:57 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: wayoverontheright

Multiple reports say that Axelrod and Cutter are bitter enemies - long may it continue.

One clear sign of Obama’s lack of any managerial skill is his infantile reliance on his handlers. But this is not a Bush/Rove or Clinton/Carville/Morris scenario - these political hacks are Obama’s surrogate family (oh boy does he have some serious daddy issues). Can you imagine voluntarily spending leisure time with Axelrod or Jarrett? What a load of vinegar drinkers.

Arrogance has always been the watchword but Obama’s treatment of those $35,000/plate contributors is starting to circulate widely. Apparently he spends a grand total of 7 minutes meeting and greeting, then takes a private meal with Jarrett (her again) and not-quite-out-of-the-White-House-yet Reggie Love.


29 posted on 08/24/2012 5:06:42 AM PDT by relictele
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To: iowamark

Halperin is still busy carrying water for The First Dictator every morning on MSNBC. He will happily vote for Obama in November.


30 posted on 08/24/2012 5:08:24 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: marygam

Did you hear anything about having the military votes counted this time around? If the GOP can’t get serious about that egregious theft of voting rights from our military personnel, it deserves to lose. Eric Holder is concerned that every illegal alien has the right to vote without an ID in TX, but he’s not at all interested in insuring that our military men and women have the same right.


31 posted on 08/24/2012 5:12:27 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: expat1000

While the Dems and the media constantly attempt to create a schism between conservatives and moderates (whoever they are), it seems inevitable that the Dem party is destined for a split between 1) the hard-core statists in coastal and urban areas who are now unafraid to openly espouse European - no, make that Greek - style socialism and 2) any poor buggers with a ‘D’ after their names who hail from red states. They and their constituents STILL believe that ‘Dems are for the werkin’ man’ and that it’s the party of Truman when in reality it is the party of Stalin.

It’s one thing to debate marginal tax rates or claim you will protect Social Security, quite another to explain why you are a member of a party that thinks gay marriage will somehow result in a stronger, more cohesive society.


32 posted on 08/24/2012 5:13:37 AM PDT by relictele
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33 posted on 08/24/2012 5:25:38 AM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Completely agree. I think many people overlook the incalculable damage the corrupt MSM and Hollywood has done. Together I think they are more responsible for our precipitous decline than almost any other single factor.

Their lies. Their ommission of facts. Their deceit. Their ongoing propaganda. It is all now coming to the inevitable destructive conclusion. And, as the alternative media rises, the corrupt MSM becomes ever more openly partisan and shrill as they seek to blunt the impact of the alternative media.


34 posted on 08/24/2012 5:33:42 AM PDT by Obadiah (If Reagan had another son he would have looked like Paul Ryan.)
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To: marygam

We’re with you! Wife and I will be manning a phone bank in Niceville tomorrow, along w/about 30 others via bus from Central Alabama. And I’ll wear the same yellow shirt that I wore when “a few thousand” of us bitter clingers marched on WashDC in September 2009...


35 posted on 08/24/2012 5:36:55 AM PDT by Clioman
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To: marygam

“I know Romney isn’t the best, but he is what we have. The down ticket needs us all too!”

Amen, sister!


36 posted on 08/24/2012 5:41:31 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: marygam

Absolutely spot-on, marygam

We all like to get on here, post our profoundest thoughts, and think that we’re moving the needle.

Well, this is one guy you’ve convinced. First thing Monday morning, I’m getting off my ass and reporting for duty at local Republican headquarters.

My forefathers left their farms and families, musket in hand, and put their very lives on the line to throw off the chains of oppressive government. The least I can do is give up a few hours of my time to do battle against the forces which are destroying our country.


37 posted on 08/24/2012 5:44:04 AM PDT by Walrus (Restoring America starts today! Let's roll!)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Communist Goals (1963) http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.


38 posted on 08/24/2012 5:52:06 AM PDT by Not a 60s Hippy (They are SOCIALISTS, not Progressive, Liberal, Left Wing, Democrats, Special interest groups.)
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To: relictele

An exceptional, thought-provoking comment.


39 posted on 08/24/2012 5:58:56 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: iowamark

The media know Obama’s in danger of losing.

Their side, especially, won’t show up at the polls if it looks like a done deal before the election. They can’t get them to the polls as it is unless they hand out smokes and cash.

Their only hope is to continue to pretend it’s going to be close and try to manufacture a few scandals to get their drones to the polls to supplement the dead.

If they tell the truth about Obama’s numbers, he’ll not only lose, but lose in a landslide and, if that happens, they won’t have the votes to keep the Senate.


40 posted on 08/24/2012 5:59:07 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: chrisser

Even a few of the media members are now starting to turn against Obama, the recent Newsweek mag cover has proven.


41 posted on 08/24/2012 6:26:40 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: iowamark

I disagree with Erik. The press would be helping BHO if he were up 10 points in the polls. The evidence supporting Erik’s claim is inferential and anonymous.


42 posted on 08/24/2012 6:30:01 AM PDT by STJPII
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To: iowamark

To me it looks as if the MSM has concluded that Obama is too stubborn to take their advice, and will flame out despite their best efforts. Hence they are starting to distance themselves from him.


43 posted on 08/24/2012 6:31:50 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: iowamark

I agee with Eric, Obama is losing this election big time!!! And....the media is, by cuddling, rthe anti-American, Obama is helping to move the Obama loss along. the loss is goingeriod to be massive, and it will also take doan, politically scores of complaint Democrat officeholders with it. Obama is poison, period, not only for himself, his political party, but for millions of Black Americans that will support him, and go into the abyss with him for along time to come.

Lord, American Black folks deserve a better deal then this Flim/Flam con artist and America hater, Obama and his ‘dirt bag” Democrat Party. Obama is no friend of Black America. Never has been and never will be!!! Wake up, Black America, you are cutting yourselves to be “adrift at sea” for a long, long time, placed there by your own hand and stupidity!!!


44 posted on 08/24/2012 6:56:43 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: relictele

Reggie Love.. what a name. If Saturday Night Live lived up to its reputation for cutting edge satire, it could have a field day with a 70s character named Reggie Love, complete with a sequined outfit, an Afro, and platform shoes.


45 posted on 08/24/2012 7:39:48 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Not a 60s Hippy
I wouldn't want to be thrown in the psycho ward for saying this, but sometimes I fantasize about a “Night of the Long Knives”, where conservatives “meet” various journ-O-lists, across the country, all at the same day and time, say about 8:30 pm, ring their doorbell, and take them out. I always wanted to be the Dan Rather ringer...

Disclaimer: Of course I'm just joking, and the above isn't any call to action whatsoever, but rather just literary fiction.

46 posted on 08/24/2012 8:57:08 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: tgusa

I don’t have a candidate. Romney’s lifelong LOVE of abortion and RomneyCare will never get my vote.


47 posted on 08/24/2012 11:52:08 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: USS Alaska

Wow! Good going USS! That’s awesome. We can fix America one voter at a time.
I am thrilled over what you did.

We march on to win another battle!


48 posted on 08/24/2012 4:48:20 PM PDT by marygam (#Hurry November 2012, we might not make it#)
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To: Ann Archy

REC stands for the Republican Executive Committee and 9-12 is a teaparty group. Every county has an REC. This is the group that puts at all republican candidates on the local level and they elect a person to represent them in the county. The board of the REC has access to State Republican party and National.
It all starts with your county REC.
9-12 is a group that is non-partisan and they are sort of watchdogs with local things that are happening. ie Fighting Atheists who try to stop pray at school board meetings. They also teach different skills. Canning, Concealed Permit classes, how to survive if the world crashes and burns so to speak. They also do
Patriotic things and have different speakers come in and talk. At least that’s what the one’s in POLK County do. Great group of folks.


49 posted on 08/24/2012 4:57:30 PM PDT by marygam (#Hurry November 2012, we might not make it#)
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To: upchuck

Thanks for posting this. I had to go off to work and glad you helped.


50 posted on 08/24/2012 5:01:55 PM PDT by marygam (#Hurry November 2012, we might not make it#)
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