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Report: State Dept. Considers Eliminating US Nuclear Arsenal
Breitbart Big Peace ^ | August 24, 2012 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 08/24/2012 5:33:24 AM PDT by opentalk

Although President Obama's current defense cuts are so drastic that even Rep. Nancy Pelosi is scared they might cost Democrats more seats in the House, State Dept. advisers are reportedly encouraging further cuts and even the all-out elimination of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.

A State Dept. report addressing this issue justifies the suggestion on the grounds that possessing nuclear weapons drives other nations to "acquisition and/or use of nuclear weapons."

In other words, as long as nations like the U.S., Israel, and Russia have nukes but rogue nations like Iran and North Korea don't Iran and North Korea will continually pursue them with a willingness to use them. Yet if we get rid of ours, they will stop the pursuit of theirs... and everybody can hug and get along, naturally.

Explaining away Iran's nuclear ambitions by saying they only want such weapons because we have them is childish and irrational.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: communist; defense; disarmus; enemywithin; hillary; iran; israel; nationaldefense; nationalsecurity; northkorea; nuclearus; putin; russia; soros; statedepartment; un
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1 posted on 08/24/2012 5:33:30 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Is anybody getting scared yet?


2 posted on 08/24/2012 5:35:07 AM PDT by AU72
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To: opentalk

The USA will be disarmed by Obama’s Marxist/Muslim toadies by Jan. Should Obama and his cohorts lose, states may have to call out their National Guard troops during what could be a disastrous “lame duck” season. Would your governor do it?


3 posted on 08/24/2012 5:37:34 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: opentalk

If Obama is reelected you better learn how to speak Farsi.


4 posted on 08/24/2012 5:37:50 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: opentalk
possessing nuclear weapons drives other nations to "acquisition and/or use of nuclear weapons."

That might be true in some cases. But does anybody think that getting rid of them will "drive" other nations to get rid of them?

And what is it worth, anyway? The genie cannot be put back into the bottle. If we (or anybody else) wanted one, it's a short haul from having none to having several. It's not like we have to do Manhattan 2.0.

5 posted on 08/24/2012 5:38:56 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: opentalk

I find it interesting that Pelosi is worried that defense cuts might cost them more seats in the house, nevermind the risk to the nation’s national defense/security. Real priorities their Nancy......real priorities.


6 posted on 08/24/2012 5:40:03 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: opentalk

Apparently, the State Department is still rather pink...even after all these years.

Cowards.


7 posted on 08/24/2012 5:40:03 AM PDT by RexBeach (Mr. Obama Can't Count.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
But does anybody think that getting rid of them will "drive" other nations to get rid of them?

No, but I do think getting rid of them will drive other nations to use them against us.
8 posted on 08/24/2012 5:41:31 AM PDT by DaveInDallas
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To: opentalk

4 MORE YEARS, 4 MORE YEARS, 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!


9 posted on 08/24/2012 5:41:38 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: opentalk

Never mind all this - what about Romney’s religion and/or tax returns?

THIS is exactly the kind of thing that makes me shake my head in absolute WONDER at those who would rather see Obama win to teach the GOP a lesson.


10 posted on 08/24/2012 5:42:14 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: AU72

We may have conventional weapons online that make typical nuclear weaponry a little dated. Remember a good rule of thumb is that we won’t know what the military has today until about 20 years from now. My friend who has been at Raytheon for 35 years said that although he can’t really talk about it - it’s really sci-fi stuff. Mind control, energy pulse, purely kinetic, V-Ray, - seriously “out there”


11 posted on 08/24/2012 5:42:27 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: opentalk

In the place of a nuclear defense,
the US State Dept suggests extermination
camps and crucifixion sites
for all non-Moslem Americans and their children
who manage to survive ObamaCARE.


12 posted on 08/24/2012 5:43:01 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session."- Mark Twain)
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To: opentalk; CodeToad; Squantos
"Tell Vladimir to wait until after the election. I'm going to be so flexible he won't believe it. In fact, we're going to get rid of all of our nuclear weapons."


13 posted on 08/24/2012 5:43:28 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: opentalk

How amazingly stupid. These people think that the rest of the world will behave well towards us if we just get rid of our darn nukes and then wonder loudly how somebody like Hitler came around and lead Germany.

I think we should experiment first. Get rid of all the guns that the police and government agencies carry and see what happens.


14 posted on 08/24/2012 5:43:33 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: opentalk
"...Rep. Nancy Pelosi is scared they might cost Democrats more seats in the House..."

Good thinkin', Nance. Nuthin' like having your priorities straight...

15 posted on 08/24/2012 5:44:59 AM PDT by DJ Frisat ((optional, printed after my name on post))
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To: opentalk

Any recommendations on stock to buy that would cash in on the need to speak Russian or Chinese?


16 posted on 08/24/2012 5:45:20 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: opentalk

Jesus H. Christ!

We have got to get the communist morons out of government.


17 posted on 08/24/2012 5:45:47 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: AU72

Life in Amerika since January 20, 2009 has been a non-stop nightmare.


18 posted on 08/24/2012 5:49:46 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: opentalk
In one of the recent "Civil War II" threads, the discussion of secession brought up the question: "What would become of the nukes?"

I think I see a solution that would make everyone happy.

19 posted on 08/24/2012 5:52:52 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: circlecity
Actually, until they can disarm the populace, America remains one of the safest places on the planet.

Millions of weapons and thousands of veterans, self-organized into myriad groups provide fertile ground for home-grown armies.

Economic failure (his name is Obama) is our true danger.

20 posted on 08/24/2012 5:54:50 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: Travis McGee

Thinking the same thing.


21 posted on 08/24/2012 5:55:29 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Are they really THAT stupid?

No

What is the real agenda. DESTROY AMERICA !!


22 posted on 08/24/2012 5:56:38 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: opentalk

Maybe that silly remake of the classic Red Dawn, where the North Koreans invade America might come true after all.


23 posted on 08/24/2012 5:57:59 AM PDT by Sybeck1
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To: atc23
I believe you are right, but there is another factor to consider. The most significant capability of nuclear weapons is deterrance. The deterrant effect of nuclear weapons was unquestionably established in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The deterrant effect of micro-drones and death rays remains theoretical. To go one step further, the modern superweapon must in addition to establishing deterrance also be capable of neutralizing a nuclear threat. It does no good to be able to mske somebody's head explode with the push of a button if doing so trips a dead-man switch that launches his ICBMs.

Now if I knew that we had an operational Thor system in orbit, I'd gladly sell our nukes for a dollar a megaton to the craziest-looking buyer I could fnd in a third-world gutter. But I doubt that we do.

24 posted on 08/24/2012 5:58:54 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman
"Actually, until they can disarm the populace, America remains one of the safest places on the planet."

Until Obama starts using that billion rounds of hollow point ammunition he just bought.

25 posted on 08/24/2012 6:00:40 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: opentalk

http://www.state.gov/t/avc/rls/rpt/196592.htm


26 posted on 08/24/2012 6:02:49 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: null and void

Nut job on steroids.


27 posted on 08/24/2012 6:05:27 AM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: opentalk

Maybe we could sell them on the international market to help fund alternative energy start-ups. What could go wrong?


28 posted on 08/24/2012 6:07:44 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: chris37

“We have got to get the communist morons out of government.”

That’s been a great slogan since the State Department’s creation of the UN back in ‘45.

Unfortunately, Hiss’s commie heirs are still running the joint.

“Jesus H. Christ”, as you say.


29 posted on 08/24/2012 6:09:33 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: txrefugee

The governor of Connecticut would drop to his knees in front of the Kenyan and emulate Monica.


30 posted on 08/24/2012 6:09:33 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: RexBeach

well, gee, where else would you expect all of the leaders of the Nuclear Freeze Movement on your campus in the 80’s to find employment?


31 posted on 08/24/2012 6:10:08 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: opentalk

McCarthy was right.


32 posted on 08/24/2012 6:10:29 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: opentalk

Well folks, I’m praying for 0bama.

Praying that Almighty God lights up his muslim ass with a major league lightning bolt, leaving him a crispy critter.

Only someone who truly hates America would vote for 0bama and/or refuse to vote for his opponent. All the purists pontificating and gnashing their teeth about Romney ought to give their heads a shake and imagine a disarmed NON-nuclear America if that filthy Kenyan Communist is re-elected to another term.


33 posted on 08/24/2012 6:12:10 AM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: AU72
Disarming maybe a requisite of settling the nations debts.
These people are working on a new world order where nukes would not be needed because their goal is to have no nations.
The only thing that defines a nation are boarders. That is why this administration refuses to recognize that this country has any boarders. In fact, this administration doesn't recognize state boarders.
The only safe way to destroy the worlds nukes would be to detonate them all in the same area, somewhere with alot of sand and desert.
We currently pump oil with robotics at extreme depths, it would not be a big challenge to design robotic systems to pump oil from a highly radioactive area.
34 posted on 08/24/2012 6:17:00 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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To: opentalk

If this is not evidence that State Department and much of the Federal Government has been infiltrated and taken over by agents of enemy powers, I don’t know what is.

We need a purge. Preferably one that involves prisons and waterboarding.


35 posted on 08/24/2012 6:17:40 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: muir_redwoods

“Maybe we could sell them on the international market to help fund alternative energy start-ups.”

Naaa, just trade them to the drug cartels in exchange for lots of “good stuff”. That way everyone in the USA could be so stoned that no one would care when mushroom clouds started sprouting everywhere.

/sarc


36 posted on 08/24/2012 6:19:26 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Izzy Dunne
The genie cannot be put back into the bottle

This is the same reason gun control can't and won't work.

The science/information is out there - it only takes the will to use it and you have your weapon of choice.

Granted, building a fission device is a little harder than putting together a zip gun, but if you have the nefarious intent and the resources, and it gives you an advantage over those you seek to dominate, then you will find a way to build one.

Given that, the only rational solution is for the "good guys" to be better armed before the "bad guys" can build their own versions. Equally applies to guns and nukes.
37 posted on 08/24/2012 6:20:23 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: Nachum

For the list.


38 posted on 08/24/2012 6:22:15 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: opentalk

The level of stupidity has now hit an all time high.


39 posted on 08/24/2012 6:26:47 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: SE Mom

those who would rather see Obama win to teach the GOP a lesson.”

YEP........ wait a minute...... didn’t we do that in 2008???

GET ON with it folks - this election is more vital than any I have voted in and that’s been a long time. SE Mom, how do things look there in Florida for GOP. Rubio ok, FL go for R/R? what do you think from the inside looking out?


40 posted on 08/24/2012 6:28:09 AM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Let's get out the vote folks. Volunteer - let's all do our part for November victory.)
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To: Little Ray
What I don't understand about Communists(Democrats), is that if Communism is so wonderful, then why not move to a Communist nation?
The answer is, because all communist nations suck to live in.
People die trying to escape them, trying to get here or anywhere that is not communist.
How insanely stupid are these Obama supporters?
41 posted on 08/24/2012 6:28:40 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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To: headsonpikes

Well, it has reached critical mass now.

It’s either them or us, and I choose us.


42 posted on 08/24/2012 6:28:40 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: atc23

“We may have conventional weapons online that make typical nuclear weaponry a little dated.”

Not at all. Conventional weapons are conventional and are localized. The destruction and devastation of a nuclear weapon is so far and ahead of anything “conventional.”

Your friend in Raytheon, good guy I am sure, but what your friend “knows” has nothing to do with nukes or other WMD (CNB) weapons. Raytheon isn’t into large-scale weapons and therefore, he doesn’t know WMD.

The stuff you are talking about is all sci-fi stuff. R&D in those areas and related areas are on-going, and have been for decades and decades and decades, but we don’t have that sort of stuff—not even close.

Besides, again, Raytheon isn’t into that world and your friend has no access to those programs as Rayteon doesn’t work them and he would not be briefed on them. Want to talk SBD or A/A missiles, or tactical munitions, sure, your friend is into that. But those “sci-fi” systems, no way.

Cheers.


43 posted on 08/24/2012 6:36:16 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: AU72
From Obama speech in 2009, Prague

...So today, I state clearly and with conviction America's commitment to seek the peace and security of a world without nuclear weapons. (Applause.) I'm not naive. This goal will not be reached quickly --perhaps not in my lifetime. It will take patience and persistence. But now we, too, must ignore the voices who tell us that the world cannot change. We have to insist, "Yes, we can."

Now, let me describe to you the trajectory we need to be on. First, the United States will take concrete steps towards a world without nuclear weapons. To put an end to Cold War thinking, we will reduce the role of nuclear weapons in our national security strategy, and urge others to do the same.

Communist Goals

#3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength."

44 posted on 08/24/2012 6:39:32 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Straight from the Peanuts Carter playbook.

“If we’re good everyone else will be good.”

Someone needs to clue these idiots in, turning the other cheek didn’t stop you from getting the hell knocked out of you the first time, it just means your going to get hit twice.


45 posted on 08/24/2012 6:45:20 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: opentalk
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RtAZ0ASDoCw/UBsrtPBdL-I/AAAAAAAAAUY/SWj9SHYu9ZE/s400/chamberlain2.jpg

We can have Peace in our Time!

46 posted on 08/24/2012 6:45:20 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Normalcy results in the creation of life, Sodomy results in AIDS)
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To: Hulka

He never said it was Raytheon weaponry. He may have, by virtue of 35 years in Defense contracting, many associates in other areas of the business. Just like I am in Oil, Gas, Mining and Municipal water, I have many associates in cryogenics and rocketry. Just the nature of being in industries that tend to cross contaminate at national conventions, seminars and other “cocktail” events.


47 posted on 08/24/2012 6:49:06 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: opentalk

The most worrisome aspect about this is how little influence a change of administrations has upon the careerists of the US State Department aka “Foggy Bottom”. They are appeasers, real-politik types who see everything in terms of negotiating and moral equivalency. I remember them being tied in knots about the shape of the peace table in the negotiations to end our involvement in the Vietnam War. It is the type of person who is attracted to this work so I am not sure that there is any ultimate answer to it or idiot statements like this!


48 posted on 08/24/2012 7:01:55 AM PDT by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence!)
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To: atc23
There are some weapons that could be made ready for deployment that are fuel efficient with incredible destructive power with constrained collateral damage and high precision in target acquisition.
However.
Nukes provide the perfect solution to peace.
Mutually Assured Destruction.
The operative word is...MUTUAL.
We must keep our nukes.
49 posted on 08/24/2012 7:06:38 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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To: SES1066

Careerists should be moved to offices with no telephones, no computers and no duties. Maybe we’ll get an administration that can see the logic in doing this.


50 posted on 08/24/2012 7:15:26 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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