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'Outraged' judge frees veteran Raub from Virginia psych ward
Times247 ^ | 8/23/12 | Cheryl Chumley

Posted on 08/24/2012 6:13:32 AM PDT by lward99

A former Marine who was forced into a psychiatric ward for anti-government Facebook postings has been freed from the hospital by a Virginia circuit court ruling handed down Thursday.

Judge Allan Sharrett dismissed the case against Brandon Raub, 26, who had been detained by government officials in Richmond, Va., and transferred to a VA hospital in Salem, Va. The judge called the petition to continue Raub's forced detention “so devoid of any factual allegations that it could not be reasonably expected to give rise to a case or controversy.”

Read more: http://times247.com/articles/32virginia-veteran-raub-freed-from-psychiatric-ward7#ixzz24T8MZTLR

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: detained; marine; ndaa; raub; truther
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At least one judge values the Constitution (Unlike a Chief Justice I know)
1 posted on 08/24/2012 6:13:46 AM PDT by lward99
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To: lward99
who had been detained by government officials

WHICH government officials. I've heard that the locals and the fibbies both said they didn't detain him.

/johnny

2 posted on 08/24/2012 6:15:37 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Mad Dawg; EDINVA; VA_Gentleman; seekthetruth; COBOL2Java; Perdogg; kabar; Gabz; Wage Slave; ...

VA Ping!

If you want on/off the VA Ping List, please freepmail me. Thanks!


3 posted on 08/24/2012 6:18:31 AM PDT by randita (Paul Ryan is "Mr. Smith goes to Washington.")
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To: JRandomFreeper

You mean fibbers.


4 posted on 08/24/2012 6:19:19 AM PDT by lward99 (http://www.politicalmedia.com)
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To: lward99

Who brought charges against him to have him arrested in the first place. That person is a true Nazi.


5 posted on 08/24/2012 6:19:48 AM PDT by Lets Roll NOW (A baby isn't a punishment, Obama is)
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To: lward99

Where was Amnesty International during all of this?

Not a squeak?


6 posted on 08/24/2012 6:20:07 AM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
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To: lward99
“The mom and son feel aggrieved, being taken without charge and detained, and a civil action is being discussed,” Mr. Whitehead said. “And I want to make sure this doesn’t happen again. If you can handcuff someone and detain them without charge, that’s not freedom. The law must be modified so this doesn’t happen again.”

This was a raw abuse of power. The action needs to be taken against all who thought what they were doing was hunky-dory. I'm glad they came across a judge who interpreted the law instead of ignoring it.

7 posted on 08/24/2012 6:20:57 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: lward99

Here’s video of Raub’s arrest:
http://youtu.be/dmoNcFAwHyw

Keep the means to video with you at all times, FRiends.


8 posted on 08/24/2012 6:30:16 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Obama hates Mexicans (Fast and Furious))
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To: lward99
This is the scariest single action I've seen from the government in my life.

The almighty "they" have gone blatantly unConstitutional and shown us that this absolutely could happen to anyone who ever says something that those with power don't like.

This is full circle and we are back to the beginning: fighting human nature empowered with absolute power and moderated by an absence of integrity.

9 posted on 08/24/2012 6:33:30 AM PDT by GBA
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To: lward99

Welcome to the Gulag Archipelago, citizen.


10 posted on 08/24/2012 6:34:42 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: dirtboy

It was indeed a raw abuse of power, yet in a stunning display of naivete there were Freepers aggressively defending said abuse of power.


11 posted on 08/24/2012 6:35:28 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: dirtboy

No abuse of power here...

GW Bush and his republican allies made sure of that with the passing of the so called “patriot act”....

This monstrous erosion of civil rights was met with much applause by a large group of people on this site...

and now fubo and his ilks are taking advantage of it...

2 rules to remember...

never trust a democrat...

never trust a republican...


12 posted on 08/24/2012 6:37:26 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: RandallFlagg
That's very, very scary!

Plainclothed federal goons with dark shades could come knocking on many a Conservative door while totally ignoring the call for murdering whites from the New Black Panther party.

(Have you the NBP audio on Glenn Beck's site?)

13 posted on 08/24/2012 6:38:56 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: GBA

The scariest single action I’ve seen was the federal government murdering dozens of men,women,and children in in a military assault on the Branch Davidians in Waco,Texas in the 1990s!!!!!

Said Davidians were no threat to America,unlike islam!!!!!!


14 posted on 08/24/2012 6:40:43 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: joe fonebone

I am sure there are many who still support the Patriot Act. I don’t, and never did.


15 posted on 08/24/2012 6:41:38 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: lward99
“The biggest thing in his profile is he’s a 9-11 truther,” Mr. Whitehead said. “He’s a Ron Paul libertarian. But so what? Thomas Paine would have been put into an institution" by that standard.

I don't care if the guy believes in the Easter Bunny. What happened to him sounds like something out of Gulag Archipelago.

Obama is a thug.

16 posted on 08/24/2012 6:42:38 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: joe fonebone

This was not done under the Patriot Act. This was done under VA state law enacted after the Virginia Tech shootings.


17 posted on 08/24/2012 6:45:09 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: lward99

Great! Some sanity in 0’s insane world.


18 posted on 08/24/2012 6:47:53 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF YOU GET ONE CHOICE CHOOSE WISELY)
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To: dirtboy
Were the guys in civilian clothes state goons or federal goons?

/johnny

19 posted on 08/24/2012 6:48:58 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: .45 Long Colt

The ‘patriot’ act was conceived by two left wing ‘research’ institutes, the CSIS and the Brookings Institute.

They set it up in such a way as to be paid by the government with taxpayer money to institute it and run the programs they created.

It is a political scam of corporatist fascist nature, which is one of the problems Raub pointed out on his website.


20 posted on 08/24/2012 6:51:51 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: JRandomFreeper
The actual involuntary commitment was done under VA law. The FBI was involved in the investigation. The real problem is that authorities at all levels felt that the recent shootings gave them cart blanche to not have to produce anything remotely resembling evidence to commit Raub.

When I first found out about this story, I read all of Raub's Facebook comments and felt their had to be something else, such as a threatening email, to warrant this action. When I found out that all the government had was his Facebook posts, to me the action clearly became unwarranted, and thankfully a judge agreed.

21 posted on 08/24/2012 6:52:09 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

I thought the FBI was in on this arrest....

If this is correct, what is the FBI doing enforcing state laws????

If this is not correct, then I will stand corrected


22 posted on 08/24/2012 6:54:10 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: joe fonebone
The FBI was in on the investigation and the questioning, but the local cops are the ones who handcuffed Raub and hauled him off to the pscyh ward. All the while saying he wasn't under arrest because he wasn't charged with anything.

The stances taken by the parties involved were downright Orwellian.

23 posted on 08/24/2012 6:55:56 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Well, there is that little first amendment thingy...
24 posted on 08/24/2012 6:56:19 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: GBA

How about toasting men, women and children alive and then shooting the ones running from the burning compound in Waco, Tx?

That doesn’t rank right up there as one of the scariest government actions?


25 posted on 08/24/2012 6:57:48 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: joe fonebone

There are some details over on this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2921078/posts


26 posted on 08/24/2012 7:00:40 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: lward99

Send comments about this to the Rutherford Institute at

staff@rutherford.org and ask that the identities of the specific FBI and local LEOs be revealed for public scrutiny and that they be prosecuted for kidnapping and false imprisonment.


27 posted on 08/24/2012 7:07:28 AM PDT by patriotsblood
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To: joe fonebone

Let me simplify it for you: Bush’s Fault!


28 posted on 08/24/2012 7:17:22 AM PDT by sportutegrl (You sound like Obama.)
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To: .45 Long Colt
"It was indeed a raw abuse of power, yet in a stunning display of naivete there were Freepers aggressively defending said abuse of power." There are more than a few who never, ever see anything wrong with ANY "law enforcement action. "If you hadn't done you wouldn't have anything to worry about." There are four big lessons here: 1) Federal LEOs are getting twitchy; 2) federal LEOs are monitoring through whatever mechanism(s) a lot of personal albeit electronic communications; 3) federal LEOs are monitoring ignorant or indifferent towards Constitutional restrains; 4) not all federal personnel are willing to give carte blanche to an American commissariat. That reveals a LOT of federal deficiencies and weaknesses. Not bad reconnaissance results for one - this time bloodless - incident.
29 posted on 08/24/2012 7:20:58 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Psalm 144

“It was indeed a raw abuse of power, yet in a stunning display of naivete there were Freepers aggressively defending said abuse of power.”

There are more than a few who never, ever see anything wrong with ANY “law enforcement action: “If you hadn’t done you wouldn’t have anything to worry about.”

There are four big lessons here:

1) Federal LEOs are getting twitchy;

2) federal LEOs are monitoring through whatever mechanism(s) a lot of personal albeit electronic communications;

3) federal LEOs are monitoring ignorant or indifferent towards Constitutional restrains;

4) not all federal personnel are willing to give carte blanche to an American commissariat.

That reveals a LOT of federal deficiencies and weaknesses. Not bad reconnaissance results for one - this time bloodless - incident.


30 posted on 08/24/2012 7:23:12 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: RandallFlagg

BumP!


31 posted on 08/24/2012 7:23:15 AM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“WHICH government officials....”

Exactly. We the People expect a little more accountability on this!!


32 posted on 08/24/2012 7:24:05 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: .45 Long Colt

“It was indeed a raw abuse of power, yet in a stunning display of naivete there were Freepers aggressively defending said abuse of power.”

You got that right. I don’t know why some of these freepers are even here. I suspect some of them are lefty trolls.


33 posted on 08/24/2012 7:26:08 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: lward99

Good grief...this sounds like the old USSR in action. If you don’t agree with the government, you are judged to be mentally ill and “institutionalized”, a euphemism for “imprisoned”

It could happen to everyone on FR...but not without a fight.


34 posted on 08/24/2012 7:27:56 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: joe fonebone

Agreed.

We have had four statist presidents in a row. However much they may or may not have had real differences on other policies, increasing the scope, scale, ability, and militarization of federal law enforcement has been a seamless work of cooperation and amity.

Whoever is elected in November will do the same. I don’t know whether to be relieved or worried that if it is Romney it will break the string of substance abuser presidents since Clinton.


35 posted on 08/24/2012 7:28:19 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: txrefugee

“It could happen to everyone on FR...but not without a fight.”

If there was a fight that FReeper would be summarily executed in his or her home, and the usual chorus here would say “they had it coming when they resisted” and even get off a few witticisms about it, not missing the comedy value and all.


36 posted on 08/24/2012 7:32:32 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“You got that right. I don’t know why some of these freepers are even here. I suspect some of them are lefty trolls.”

Some surely are. But not all statists are on the left.


37 posted on 08/24/2012 7:34:01 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: lward99

Now the judge needs to direct the DA to file charges against those in gov’t responsible for the outrage.


38 posted on 08/24/2012 7:44:38 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: joe fonebone

“This monstrous erosion of civil rights was met with much applause by a large group of people on this site...”

It sure was and you were a Commie traitor if you dared disagree. I believe it had been written during the Clinton administration and they were waiting for the opportunity to ram it down our throats.


39 posted on 08/24/2012 7:47:19 AM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Psalm 144

I read the linked account of supposedly heavy-handed over-reaching government behavior - I don’t see any big grievance here - after all, they didn’t shoot Raub’s dog or his mother.

They’re just servants of the People, doing the bidding of the People’s representatives, in patient expectation of a secure and golden pension.


40 posted on 08/24/2012 7:55:06 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: dirtboy

from “45 COMMUNIST GOALS FOR TAKE-OVER OF AMERICA “ (1963)

# 39 :Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.


41 posted on 08/24/2012 7:57:15 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Psalm 144
Some surely are. But not all statists are on the left.

Amen to that. The thought of being able to enforce ones will on others through government control is a powerful aphrodisiac to many, regardless of their political affiliations.

42 posted on 08/24/2012 7:59:25 AM PDT by TruthBeforeAll (Liberals love to do what is "best" for you, even if it kills you.)
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To: Psalm 144

Yep!


43 posted on 08/24/2012 8:06:40 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: lward99

Now is the time for retribution. How does Raub get his pound of flesh?


44 posted on 08/24/2012 8:10:34 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: txrefugee; Tilted Irish Kilt
You would think so would you, but there are a number of FReepers actual posting in support of the 'Gubbermint' action.

Protestant minister, Martin Niemoller , who found himself interned in a Nazi Work camp...
“ When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews, I remained silent; I wasn’t a Jew.

When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.”

Martin Niemöller

There, but by the grace of God go I and many of you my fellow FReepers.
45 posted on 08/24/2012 8:13:05 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Another thread here with text of one of this guys post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2922201/posts


46 posted on 08/24/2012 8:14:06 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Georgia Girl 2

With luck, Mr. Raub will be able to buy a LOT of firearms and related goodies after he sues the HELL out of every one of these thugs.


47 posted on 08/24/2012 8:15:46 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Obama hates Mexicans (Fast and Furious))
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To: lward99

I HOPE HE SUES THEM INTO OBLIVION~!!

GO AFTER THEM PERSONALLY TOO

NIFONG GOT HIS FOR DOING THIS!!!


48 posted on 08/24/2012 8:15:54 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: so_real

“Now is the time for retribution. How does Raub get his pound of flesh?”

Here:
http://daviepolice.org/color_of_law.html

There is related legislation that exposes the offenders to personal liability in tort, but I have forgotten the statutes. Harder to win even that attorney malfeasance cases though. It is rare.


49 posted on 08/24/2012 8:18:47 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: RandallFlagg

It looks to me that local police were involved. However what is more ominous/scary is the number of plain clothes guy involved. I’m hoping all these guys are identified and can be personally sued and punished. For years I have warned and talked against persons acting under the color of government to do just what is shown. It appears to me that allowing some people to have such aggressive behavior shows very poor standards. We must be very watchful to prevent a Gestapo in this Nation.


50 posted on 08/24/2012 8:22:08 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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