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In Missouri No Compromise
vanity | 24 August 2012 | Nathan Bedford

Posted on 08/24/2012 6:25:07 AM PDT by nathanbedford

This is an occasion in which the vituperation of the pontificators is exceeded only by their ignorance. The inescapable reality is that no one no knows whether Todd Akin could have survived his gaffe and gone on to win what should have been an easy victory in Missouri against a hapless opponent. Yet it is precisely that level of ignorance over what has blithely been assumed in this controversy that lent confidence to self-appointed pundits like Ann Coulter to venture onto national cable television and presume for all of America, not to mention all of Missouri, that Todd Akin was finished and must withdraw.

Suppose Coulter, who since her crush on Governor Christie which followed her unaccountable love affair with Governor Romney, has proclaimed the establishment side of every Republican issue, had instead gone before the cameras and used her undeniable charms and accomplishments to defend rather than bury Todd Akin? Suppose the whole of the Republican establishment had behaved the way we know the Democrat establishment behaves?

My point is there is no answer to these rhetoricals, because the behavior of the Republican establishment in the immediate wake of Akin's gaffe foreclosed all debate and every viable counterargument. Missouri is going Republican in this cycle and Akin would have won the election but for his gaffe-or but for the firestorm ignited in the wake of his gaffe by Republicans themselves. We will never know which is true.

It is obvious that there is really no viable option for Akin now but to withdraw. But that does not mean that we conservatives should condone what transpired here. Who gave these people veto over the choice of the voters in the primaries in Missouri? By what moral right does the Republican Senatorial Election Committee or Republican National Committee presume to renege on its promise of campaign funds as punishment for speech it regards, not as contrary to Republican platform being fashioned before the convention as we speak, but as an offense against political correctness?

Who decides whether Todd Atkins gaffe was so egregious that it was indefensible? Was there not a better than even chance that he could have survived in Missouri? How much of the certitude expressed by Republican pundits was the foundation of a self-fulfilling prophecy? Would not Todd Akin with the protection of a righteous Republican wall of support have been able to finesse this gaffe and recover in the next 75 days?

Does candor demand that we acknowledge that the Republican establishment threw Todd Akin under the bus not out of concern primarily for the outcome of the Senatorial race in Missouri but for concern for the candidacy of Mitt Romney? How can we know?

We have seen this phenomenon before. We have seen it applied to Republicans of all stripes but mainly against conservative Republicans. We have seen the way, Peggy Noonan and others abandoned Sarah Palin. We watch the Majority Leader the United States Senate destroyed over a birthday toast to a fellow Senator. We watched the Senatorial campaign of George Allen systematically destroyed by the Washington Post for uttering the indefinable term, "Macaca." The list is endless and it would include Republican after Republican who too often was abandoned in the crunch by his party. This pattern reflects a level of moral cowardice which must be remedied. It is one which I cited in my about page.

Talk jockeys are making much of the fact that the keynote speaker at the Democratic convention will be the rapist, Bill Clinton, the disgraced former president who was impeached and disbarred for resorting to perjury to fix a court case. How can the Democrats surmount the indisputable fact that Bill Clinton is a perjurer-we know this to be the fact not because the Bible tells us so but because the DNA tells us so-but we Republicans must fall on our swords if we utter an ill considered gaffe?

The obvious explanation for all of this is that every Republican faces a tsunami shit storm blown at him by the media which intimidates every other Republican away from the field of strife.

We have seen how the Romney/Republican establishment dealt with the foreknowledge that their vice presidential pick would be assaulted by the Democrat lie machine and echoed in the establishment media. They picked a candidate, Paul Ryan, who could take the Democrats and the media head on and substantively address the issues. But what were the issues over which Republicans were willing to make battle? They were willing to fight over fiscal issues. They are seldom willing to fight over social issues.

Too many of them run and hide, for example, on abortion. This kerfuffle is really about abortion and it is a fight for which the Republican establishment really has no stomach. If the Republican Party will not fight for the life of unborn innocents, what is the point of fighting to protect upper-class tax brackets?

This dilemma which, make no mistake, is a moral dilemma, is therefore one which the Republican Party must address and solve. But let us also recognize that we are in this moral dilemma precisely because we strive to be a moral party. The Democrats are free of this dilemma because they are not. They are a ruthlessly disciplined cult which, typical of a cult, brooks no "unauthorized" thinking much less dissent. Because Soros has taken the reins of communication and finance so completely in his hands, the Democrat party has become a Soviet with all the implications that contains.

Every Democrat officeholder knows his fate if he departs from the party line. Every Democrat knows that he is likely to be rewarded in his political life or in his post officeholding life by the Democrat machine if he stays in line. Every Democrat officeholder knows it is better for his career to be defeated at the polls them to depart from party orthodoxy. The Democrat party can command this "loyalty" because it controls finances and it controls the media. But it controls one thing more, as a cult it controls the thinking processes of its members.

We as conservatives abhor everything we see the Democrat party doing to itself and then, by extension, to our beloved nation and precious liberties. The solution which we conservatives find to the dilemma the Todd Akin affair has highlighted must be one which is congruent with our notions of personal liberty and individual sovereignty.

So far, our behavior does not inspire confidence that we are feeling our way to such a solution.


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1 posted on 08/24/2012 6:25:13 AM PDT by nathanbedford
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To: nathanbedford

Thanks. I agree with every word.


2 posted on 08/24/2012 6:34:54 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: nathanbedford

Akin’s gaffe was much more egregious than “Macaca”; and we know that cost George Allen, and the GOP, a Senate seat. Maybe that’s why people, such as Ann Coulter, were quick to respond. History does repeat itself. (But, then so does histrionics.) McCaskill was down by 11 points before this happened. Now polls show the MO Senate Race “Leaning Democrat”. I’d say the odds of Akin pulling this out are astoundingly “against” that happening.


3 posted on 08/24/2012 6:36:10 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: nathanbedford

Loyalty is a virtue. Akin is a decent man who made a mistake and apologized. His sterling pro life record should have been celebrated and contrasted with the bizarre abortion loving Obama who even celebrates partial birth abortion. You have to wonder what good are these so called “conservative pundits” if they fold so easily. And just in case the pundits didn’t notice, the Democrat platform stands on endorsement of abortion and homosexuality. Afraid to notice the decadence Ann?


4 posted on 08/24/2012 6:36:10 AM PDT by allendale
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To: nathanbedford

Akin’s gaffe was much more egregious than “Macaca”; and we know that cost George Allen, and the GOP, a Senate seat. Maybe that’s why people, such as Ann Coulter, were quick to respond. History does repeat itself. (But, then so does histrionics.) McCaskill was down by 11 points before this happened. Now polls show the MO Senate Race “Leaning Democrat”. I’d say the odds of Akin pulling this out are astoundingly “against” that happening.


5 posted on 08/24/2012 6:36:10 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
My point is that there is no way of telling whether the 11 point advantage disappeared because of the power of the gaffe itself or because of the friendly fire.


6 posted on 08/24/2012 6:39:42 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: pistolpackinpapa; All

Sorry for the double posting of my comment. Don’t know how that happened.


7 posted on 08/24/2012 6:39:54 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: nathanbedford
I still don't think it's necessarily too late. The people of MO are smarter than the MSM and the GOP. The GOP is an embarrassment to all who cherish the liberty that our Constitution provides.

You'd think they'd learn a thing or two from the Dems after so many years. Hell, they don't even turn on each other publicly for gross crimes and immoral behavior like fellatio with 17 year old boys in rest areas or cash in the freezer! GOP has much to learn about the war that is politics.

8 posted on 08/24/2012 6:41:06 AM PDT by guitar4jesus (Biofuels, AGW, Globalism, Green Movement -- Strong Delusions! . . . . 2Thes 2:11)
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My point is that there is no way of telling whether the 11 point advantage disappeared because of the power of the gaffe itself or because of the friendly fire.
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Strangely enough, the “fire” was not very damn “friendly”. I still say, regardless, Akin should have dropped out, maintained his Congressional Seat and had a legacy of honor and respect. Now, he will never win another Election and his legacy will be one of disdain for a self-serving politician who put his own ambitions above his State and Country.


9 posted on 08/24/2012 6:44:16 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: guitar4jesus

GOP has much to learn about the war that is politics.
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Of course, the two incidents you mentioned were committed by Democrats. So, you want the GOP to be like the Democrats? Ummmm...... Hopefully we won’t stoop that low.


10 posted on 08/24/2012 6:48:32 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
My concern is not about the honor of Todd Akin but about the honor of the Republican Party.

The establishment has argued that this is not a matter of loyalty or honor but of practicality, one might say pragmatism. The Todd Akin affair is noteworthy because it highlights the vacuousness of the Republican Party when it is challenged for alleged breaches of political correctness.

In conceding the fate of Mr. Akin, we have conceded the argument. Does that argument in this case also include abortion? Why did we not mount an immediate counterattack on the Democrat support of partial-birth abortion. All one has to do is read the opinion of Justice Kennedy in the partial birth abortion case to have one's blood run cold by his graphic description of the deed. Are we incapable of being as effective in public speech on the stump as a justice of the Supreme Court is in his lonely chamber?

The personal fate of Todd Akin is not very relevant in itself except as a reflects on the Republican Party and its effect in intimidating potential candidates away from running for office and away from speaking out on social issues.


11 posted on 08/24/2012 6:54:45 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
My point is they don't attack their own in public.
12 posted on 08/24/2012 6:57:06 AM PDT by guitar4jesus (Biofuels, AGW, Globalism, Green Movement -- Strong Delusions! . . . . 2Thes 2:11)
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I still don’t think it’s necessarily too late. The people of MO are smarter than the MSM and the GOP.
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I make annual trips to MO. I have many, many friends and acquaintances there. Everyone of them that I have spoken with (and that is about a dozen of them) felt that to guarantee that McCaskill was defeated, Akin should have dropped out of the race. All of them are disheartened, disappointed and demoralized over this. And, most of them say they’re sitting out the Senate Election and voting in the Presidential Election and other down-ballot races because they feel Akin was selfish and self-serving. But, with 74 days (counting today) to go before the Election, they could change their minds.


13 posted on 08/24/2012 6:58:31 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: nathanbedford

A lot of pundits and professional noisemakers (who wag their tongues for a living) piled on Akin thinking he would collapse beneath their hysteria and spittle. But, Akin is a fighter and he more or less singlehandedly took on the whole establishment and whupped them. Pride will prevent many of the hyenas from getting back in line too quickly, but before election day they will come around. Akin has tamed them once again. Akin has provided young people with some important lessons in leadership.


14 posted on 08/24/2012 6:59:33 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: nathanbedford

This seat is bigger than Akin. A US Senate seat is serious business. This isn’t a cashier position at the local drug store. Akin’s career, his feelings, his ego, etc, are all absolutely unimportant compared to making sure this seat is taken away from the Democrats. Loyalty matters no more here than it does in the NFL. If a QB, RB or whatever in the NFL becomes a liability at his position for whatever reason, fair or not fair, he has to go. Same thing in politics. Akin’s comments were so ridiculous that he is unlikely to be able to recover from them. That means he is going to lose and that idiot Claire McCaskill is going to keep the seat. It also means that Obama has a better chance to win Missouri.

And Akin is not doing the pro-life movement any favors by refusing to step aside either. There are plenty of pro-life folks in Missouri that the GOP/conservatives could get behind and have a vastly better chance of winning that Senate seat and making sure Obama doesn’t win the state.


15 posted on 08/24/2012 7:03:01 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: nathanbedford

This sounds as it could have been copied and modified from the likely ravings of Adolf Hitler in his bunker as the Russian Army closed in.

No, this is not my fault. Nobody knows what we could have accomplished if only the German people had truly given their total support to me. If only....If only....If only.

The actual bottom line is that, when it REALLY COUNTS, Akin’s core “values” are on display-—and it’s clear that he HAS NO INTEGRITY, he LACKS ALL CONCERN ABOUT MISSOURI REPLACING CLAIRE MCCASKILL.

He will display any vestige of honesty he may still have if he shows up in November at the MCCASKILL VICTORY PARTY and loudly proclaims to the adoring and cheering crowds there “Mission Accomplished”.


16 posted on 08/24/2012 7:03:36 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Tau Food

Lol, your post is absolutely delusional - which makes sense considering you are wasting your vote on Tom Hoefling. Akin hasn’t whupped anyone. I’d hardly call Sarah Palin a professional noisemaker by the way - and she wants him out along with virtually every other thinking, rational conservative. By not stepping aside, Akin is just going down and taking everything he believes in with him. This is all about his ego and nothing more.


17 posted on 08/24/2012 7:07:02 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Tau Food

.......Akin has provided young people with some important lessons in leadership.
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Oh, it’s you again. Taking time off from your jihad against voting for the Republican Presidential team. Now you’re applauding tactics that defeat efforts to replace scumbag liberal Democrat Senators. Well, at least you’re staying in character.


18 posted on 08/24/2012 7:08:57 AM PDT by House Atreides
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.....the Republican Party and its effect in intimidating potential candidates....away from speaking out on social issues.
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Speaking out on Social Issues is fine. I’m a Pro-Life voter. But, damn, let’s do it intelligently. You don’t make a statement inferring that if it is a “legitimate” rape a woman’s body automatically shuts down and prevents a pregnancy. That’s like saying: “If you run a legitimate business, a thief will never rob your store.” If the guy is dumb enough to make this blunder, what else is he capable of? His statement was insensitive at best.


19 posted on 08/24/2012 7:10:11 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: guitar4jesus

I understand. I doubt that the Dems even attack their own in private.


20 posted on 08/24/2012 7:12:02 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: Tau Food

Akin has tamed them once again. Akin has provided young people with some important lessons in leadership.
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OMG! That would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic. Now, Tau Food, please......lay.....down.....the....crack....pipe.


21 posted on 08/24/2012 7:16:31 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
It did not hear a "gaffe" at all. I hear a man clumsily present the pro-life position on abortion in the case of rape. The GOP is still pro-life correct?

The attacks on Akins' are thinly veiled attacks on pro-life people. It obvious the GOP under Romney wants to move to a more pro-choice position. And is make an example of Akin.

22 posted on 08/24/2012 7:16:57 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb

My Post #19 addresses your questions and concerns; check it out.


23 posted on 08/24/2012 7:20:30 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: nathanbedford; All
Rasmussen - In Missouri Obama 47 Romney 46.

THANK YOU TODD AKIN!

24 posted on 08/24/2012 7:28:14 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: House Atreides
With respect I think you are conflating the obligations of Todd Akin as a empty headed but innocent gaffer with the obligations of Todd Akin as the victim of an unmitigated bombardment of friendly fire from the Republican establishment.

When Akin made the gaffe, it was not so egregious as to require withdrawing from the race absence the piling on by the Republican establishment. At least that is the position taken by Akin's defenders. They have a point.

The counterpoint, of course, is that it was Akin who put the Republican Party in an untenable position by his own negligence (which is to be distinguished from malevolence) and therefore it is quite proper to demand that he withdraw. The Republican Party is not obligated to assume the risks of his negligence.

My point is that the reaction of the Republican establishment was certainly not thought through, it was reactive rather than considered. The issue of the egregiousness of the gaffe is not so clear until one is buffeted by the establishment's reaction. The gaffe was not weighed against the intimidation factor which will repeat time and time again.

How many gaffes will Romney make between now and the election? Will we defend him? Of course!

I am asking not for judgments about Todd Akin's moral character in refusing to exceed to the establishment demands, but for a workable moral principle upon which the Republican Party should rely on occasions like this.

I see no groping towards such an ideal and this is not merely a theoretical consideration. We are bombarded by the media in every election cycle on trumped up gaffes and the Republican Party should have its position formulated in advance.


25 posted on 08/24/2012 7:28:32 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
Lieutenant General Bedford,

first a thank you for making the effort to describe the habit and consequences of republicans that form a circular firing squad to dismiss one of their ranks that misspeak.

I agree that should the goon squad have at least held their fire as there is indeed the possibility that Akins could have endured this mess and won this senate race.

Not to excuse or justify this habit, but you employ a premise that is tenuous and I will describe: you argue that the proper response to a gaffe such as this is with explanation and sound reasoning. Unfortunately, most, at least a majority of women voters are not rational. They prefer the handsome, slick talkin', soaring oratory, State Provider kind of candidate. As Mediscare is an effective tool on the elderly so is Womens Whatever is to most women. Republicans are held to a higher set of standards than Gimmidats who enjoy a fawning press. My point here is that Akins should have had memorized pat responses to these utterly predictable questions but yet it seems to me he was Winging It and failed. This is perhaps the reason he is being treated in such a manner. It is his judgement that is at issue not his principles.

Republicans must run against the Santa Claus party and this requires discipline and focus. Akins demonstrated neither in this unfortunate moment. Ultimately the circular firing squad made things worse and this is a subject that should be part of a more disciplined party future.

26 posted on 08/24/2012 7:28:41 AM PDT by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: jpsb

So, you agree that a woman’s body automatically shuts down in the case of rape?


27 posted on 08/24/2012 7:29:55 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: nathanbedford

Pundits don’t have that much power. All they did was recognize that Akin had committed political suicide.


28 posted on 08/24/2012 7:31:52 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: corkoman
I think we are largely in accord, please see my post number 11.


29 posted on 08/24/2012 7:32:13 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
Akins’ was trying to differentiate between "she says rape" and violent sexual intercourse without consent. The use of the word legitimate was perfectly correct, abate foolish.

The man is 65 and the term rape has been hijacked by feminists. These days just about everything is "rape". But back in the day rape was a man violently forcing himself upon a woman without her consent. That was what Akins' was talking about and everyone knows that.

I am surprised Sarah is piling on to, she of all people should know better.

30 posted on 08/24/2012 7:32:45 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: stop_fascism
I take it you do not believe in the power of media bias running in favor of the Democrats?


31 posted on 08/24/2012 7:34:15 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

The point, or a point, of the post is that Akin would be in better shape if the Republican criticism had been wiser.

Akin looks now like he’ll lose by about 5%, it’s arguable that without the Republican firestorm against him personally (not just his retracted remarks) his chances would be about even instead.

With Akin’s quick retraction they could easily condemn the remarks without attacking him.
Which would have been the practical thing to do.
It’s what Dems would do in any case and what Republicans would do on other issues.
Republicans reacted extremely instead of intelligently because this is a social issue or ‘women’s issue’.


32 posted on 08/24/2012 7:38:45 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: stop_fascism

I would imagine in some cases yes. However that is not what Akins’ said. He said doctors have told him that pregnancy from rape was rare, since a woman kinda shuts down as a natural defense. Do you doubt that some doctors believe that? And might have even told Akins’ that? It might even be true.


33 posted on 08/24/2012 7:39:19 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: nathanbedford

Excellent commentary NB! You have put my thoughts about the Rotten Republican attack on Akin into words. This is a Political Party that is not honorable in any way and with Romney and Co. installed it will only get worse.


34 posted on 08/24/2012 7:40:33 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: nathanbedford

Well worded. I think the state’s rules about timing for a withdrawal forced some of the overdrive. What those who went so hard, so loud, so fast didn’t anticipate is that Akin would not squish. Whatever anyone thinks his motivation is, he has won the primary and they will have to deal with it the way we have to decide how to deal with Romney representing the would-be conservative party.

I think Akin should have withdrawn, but he’s not. Those who wanted him to withdraw should ahve approached him differently. Too late now.

Let’s make the best of it. There are heads that should be on pikes. His is not one of them.


35 posted on 08/24/2012 7:40:47 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: nathanbedford
Glad you contributed to the Freeper Editorial section, Nathan!

That said, the heat has already been applied, and the situation is as it is. Akin must look realistically at the lay of the land -- fair or not -- and promptly withdraw.

Such a move would show he is not self-centered and self-seeking, and would inure to his benefit in the long run.

36 posted on 08/24/2012 7:43:18 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Funny but creepy!)
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To: nathanbedford
IMO = the "friendly fire" did it.

Republicans have a knack for circular firing squads. Then we wonder why Dems win. It's time to look in the mirror and shut up, IMO.

I am furious over the whole mess!

37 posted on 08/24/2012 7:43:50 AM PDT by Prov3456
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To: Prov3456

Also this Akin blowup has made it clear to me that Conservatives need better ‘Talkers’, some that will be herded by group thinking and MSM tropes like Rush, Coulter, Hannity, the FOX droids and most other faux Con Talkers/Thinkers have been. These folks are hopelessly out of touch with the grass root issues and mostly just running cover for Retched Republicans, Boehner, Romney, Bush, etc. We can and must do better.


38 posted on 08/24/2012 7:51:56 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: nathanbedford

The person running for his old seat gives a perfct example of intelligent criticism of his remarks:
“Todd Akin’s comments about rape were wrong and indefensible. Todd has apologized and understands he was wrong in what he said.”


39 posted on 08/24/2012 7:52:41 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: nathanbedford

The personal fate of Todd Akin is not very relevant in itself except as a reflects on the Republican Party and its effect in intimidating potential candidates away from running for office and away from speaking out on social issues.

Agreed. It is by no coincidence that Akin's grass roots fundraising campaign these last couple days (as he's been cut off financially by the GOP) has been labeled the "Help Todd Fight Against the Party Bosses" campaign. I do hope the Republican Party comes back around and quits trying to make war with its conservative base. But my hopes seem not yet to be painted in reality.


40 posted on 08/24/2012 8:07:55 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: pistolpackinpapa
If Romney would have treated Akin fairly, he may have stayed way ahead of Obama in the Missouri poll.

The GOPe's aren't handling this very well.

41 posted on 08/24/2012 8:11:25 AM PDT by duckln
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To: nathanbedford

Yep. Too many people running around in a panic on this. That’s what the liberal press wants.


42 posted on 08/24/2012 8:12:17 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: jpsb

Could some doctor somewhere hold that opinion. Sure, doctors believe all sorts of stupid things. Lots of doctors tell you Statins are good for you. But that’s not he point. He repeated it as if he believed it. He was basing his position on abortion for rape victims on it.

You’re spinning when you say “in some cases, yes.” That could mean 1 in ten, one in a thousand, 1 in a billion. That is not what he said. He said pregnancy due to rape is rare, because a woman’s body somehow shuts down. That must mean that in the vast majority of cases, it is true. Do you believe that?


43 posted on 08/24/2012 8:21:28 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: blueunicorn6

Liberals want Akin in the race, and the pubbies backing him to the hilt. As it is, a significant part of their convention will be devoted to equating the Republican party with Akin.


44 posted on 08/24/2012 8:23:56 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: nathanbedford

The msm achieves it’s effect by total saturation. Much like advertising. The first time you hear that Right Guard is 65% more effective in fighting odor, you’re skeptical. By the time you have hear it 65,000 times, it becomes common wisdom. Similarly, people believe Obama is a genius because they have been told that 7 times a day, 365 days a year for four years. Conservative pundits don’t have that power. How many Missouri voters read Ann Coulter, let alone have their attention swayed by her?


45 posted on 08/24/2012 8:31:14 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: stop_fascism
Ann Coulter's impact was generated on television not in print where she was not alone nor, unfortunately, was Fox the only video outlet.

Talk radio probably had an even greater impact.


46 posted on 08/24/2012 8:38:53 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: duckln

The GOPe’s aren’t handling this very well.
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It’s a shame that the dumb ass, Akin dude put them in this position to have to handle it. I’m still hoping for a write-in candidate to reclaim the 11 point lead the GOP had over McCaskill which is now a 3 or 4 point lead for her. Missouri Senate race has been moved into the “Leans Democrat” column.


47 posted on 08/24/2012 8:42:02 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: stop_fascism
RE: “woman's body automatically shuts down”
As a pro-life activist, I had heard this more times than I can count over the past 2 decades. Only after the hysteria following Akin’s remarks did I look for recent authoritative sources to see what they say about it. National Library of Medicine (pubmed.com) contains several references that say either there is no difference or maybe women become more fertile under duress. Sadly, there is a lot of data on war-related rape from Bosnia and other places. However, natural fmaily planning experts, who spend a lot of time and energy studying the subject of fertility, are absolutely convinced that stress shuts down women's reproductive capability. Akin was awkwardly attempting to describe what NFP has been saying. In any case, the better explanation of the position of opposing abortions in the event of rape is that every life is sacred.

And, I still don't get the hysteria. What a tragedy that Republicans are doing so much damage to the conservative cause!

48 posted on 08/24/2012 9:20:40 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: Missouri gal
"What a tragedy that Republicans are doing so much damage to the conservative cause! "

Say maybe you are getting Republicans and Conservatives mixed up. Republicans are concerned with money matters not social issues. This was a shot across the bow to any that want to run on social issues.

49 posted on 08/24/2012 9:36:05 AM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: Missouri gal

From where I sit it looks like Conservatives (by which you mean anti-abortion conservatives) doing damage to both their cause and the anti-abortion cause. Pubbies are doing their best at damage control.

Once you take “the body shuts down making pregnancy from rape extremely rare” position, an inescapable conclusion is that a woman who claims to be pregnant due to rape is probably lying. Therefore, her rights in the matter are no more significant then someone who wants a third trimester abortion for sex selection. That is pretty offensive to the women and families who make, what I consider a courageous decision, to bare a child conceived by rape. Don’t you think that alienates people who are conflicted about abortion?


50 posted on 08/24/2012 10:16:26 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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