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In Missouri No Compromise
vanity | 24 August 2012 | Nathan Bedford

Posted on 08/24/2012 6:25:07 AM PDT by nathanbedford

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To: pistolpackinpapa
If Romney would have treated Akin fairly, he may have stayed way ahead of Obama in the Missouri poll.

The GOPe's aren't handling this very well.

41 posted on 08/24/2012 8:11:25 AM PDT by duckln
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To: nathanbedford

Yep. Too many people running around in a panic on this. That’s what the liberal press wants.


42 posted on 08/24/2012 8:12:17 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: jpsb

Could some doctor somewhere hold that opinion. Sure, doctors believe all sorts of stupid things. Lots of doctors tell you Statins are good for you. But that’s not he point. He repeated it as if he believed it. He was basing his position on abortion for rape victims on it.

You’re spinning when you say “in some cases, yes.” That could mean 1 in ten, one in a thousand, 1 in a billion. That is not what he said. He said pregnancy due to rape is rare, because a woman’s body somehow shuts down. That must mean that in the vast majority of cases, it is true. Do you believe that?


43 posted on 08/24/2012 8:21:28 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: blueunicorn6

Liberals want Akin in the race, and the pubbies backing him to the hilt. As it is, a significant part of their convention will be devoted to equating the Republican party with Akin.


44 posted on 08/24/2012 8:23:56 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: nathanbedford

The msm achieves it’s effect by total saturation. Much like advertising. The first time you hear that Right Guard is 65% more effective in fighting odor, you’re skeptical. By the time you have hear it 65,000 times, it becomes common wisdom. Similarly, people believe Obama is a genius because they have been told that 7 times a day, 365 days a year for four years. Conservative pundits don’t have that power. How many Missouri voters read Ann Coulter, let alone have their attention swayed by her?


45 posted on 08/24/2012 8:31:14 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: stop_fascism
Ann Coulter's impact was generated on television not in print where she was not alone nor, unfortunately, was Fox the only video outlet.

Talk radio probably had an even greater impact.


46 posted on 08/24/2012 8:38:53 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: duckln

The GOPe’s aren’t handling this very well.
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It’s a shame that the dumb ass, Akin dude put them in this position to have to handle it. I’m still hoping for a write-in candidate to reclaim the 11 point lead the GOP had over McCaskill which is now a 3 or 4 point lead for her. Missouri Senate race has been moved into the “Leans Democrat” column.


47 posted on 08/24/2012 8:42:02 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: stop_fascism
RE: “woman's body automatically shuts down”
As a pro-life activist, I had heard this more times than I can count over the past 2 decades. Only after the hysteria following Akin’s remarks did I look for recent authoritative sources to see what they say about it. National Library of Medicine (pubmed.com) contains several references that say either there is no difference or maybe women become more fertile under duress. Sadly, there is a lot of data on war-related rape from Bosnia and other places. However, natural fmaily planning experts, who spend a lot of time and energy studying the subject of fertility, are absolutely convinced that stress shuts down women's reproductive capability. Akin was awkwardly attempting to describe what NFP has been saying. In any case, the better explanation of the position of opposing abortions in the event of rape is that every life is sacred.

And, I still don't get the hysteria. What a tragedy that Republicans are doing so much damage to the conservative cause!

48 posted on 08/24/2012 9:20:40 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: Missouri gal
"What a tragedy that Republicans are doing so much damage to the conservative cause! "

Say maybe you are getting Republicans and Conservatives mixed up. Republicans are concerned with money matters not social issues. This was a shot across the bow to any that want to run on social issues.

49 posted on 08/24/2012 9:36:05 AM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: Missouri gal

From where I sit it looks like Conservatives (by which you mean anti-abortion conservatives) doing damage to both their cause and the anti-abortion cause. Pubbies are doing their best at damage control.

Once you take “the body shuts down making pregnancy from rape extremely rare” position, an inescapable conclusion is that a woman who claims to be pregnant due to rape is probably lying. Therefore, her rights in the matter are no more significant then someone who wants a third trimester abortion for sex selection. That is pretty offensive to the women and families who make, what I consider a courageous decision, to bare a child conceived by rape. Don’t you think that alienates people who are conflicted about abortion?


50 posted on 08/24/2012 10:16:26 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: stop_fascism
Once you take “the body shuts down making pregnancy from rape extremely rare” position, an inescapable conclusion is that a woman who claims to be pregnant due to rape is probably lying.

Leaving out one little word changes a meaning completely. Re-read the actual Akin quote.

51 posted on 08/24/2012 10:26:17 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: nathanbedford

“How many gaffes will Romney make between now and the election? Will we defend him? Of course!”

Mitt Romney being defended on Free Republic? Since when?


52 posted on 08/24/2012 10:59:33 AM PDT by StevenFlorida
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"From what I understand from doctors, that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something: You know, I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist and not attacking the child."

Please point out the word that completely changes the meaning.

53 posted on 08/24/2012 11:59:24 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: stop_fascism
RE: “...an inescapable conclusion is that a woman who claims pregnancy due to rape is probably lying.”

Now that's getting a bit hysterical. The statistic is that less than one percent of all abortions in the US are attributed, by women seeking abortions, to rape. Akin made a poor argument for which he apologized. The better argument against exceptions is that all human life is sacred. There are some very well written testimonies by people conceived in rape, who are talented, successful, valuable members of our society. These extreme attacks on a good Congressman who has fought the good fight a long, long time for conservative values is a disgrace!

RE: “Pubbies are doing their best at damage control.”
Republicans have enlarged the damage to the point that Claire McCaskill, one of the worst senators in Missouri history, has gone from far behind in the polls to way ahead.

54 posted on 08/24/2012 1:20:35 PM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: Missouri gal

No, that is logical. Do you agree with him that women’s bodies can “shut things down”? I’ve asked that to a number of Akin’s defenders, and not one has answered in the affirmative. It seems like a simple question to me.


55 posted on 08/24/2012 1:31:55 PM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: stop_fascism
"do you believe that"

I don't know, but I do know that a lot of pro-life people believe it and I do not think it is crazy to believe it. But I do believe pregnancy from violent rape is rare.

56 posted on 08/25/2012 3:37:56 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb
but I do know that a lot of pro-life people believe it

That is very sad, if true. Crazy, probably not. Stupid, definitely. It also plays into the media's stereotype that pro-lifers hate women. Not good for the cause. Since no one on this forum seems willing to own the belief, I can hope your statement isn't true.

57 posted on 08/25/2012 7:31:10 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: stop_fascism

There is a body of evidence that suggest trauma and stress inhibit pregnancy. Violent none consent sexual intercourse is traumatic and stressful. So I’d says it is not stupid to believe pregnancy resulting from violent rape is rare.


58 posted on 08/25/2012 8:06:31 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb

OK, so you do agree with Akin (or at least what Akin believe last week. He seems to have changed his mind). Now, do you agree with the following statement - Since pregnancy due to rape is rare, and lying about anything is common, a woman who claims to be pregnant due to rape is probably lying.


59 posted on 08/25/2012 9:32:28 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: stop_fascism
Natural Family Planning experts say that women's reproductive apparatus is shut down by stress; so much so that women having trouble conceiving should reduce stress as a first possible solution. Akin based his remarks on this. I have heard this for decades, from American Life League, Couple to Couple League, John Wilke and others. However, NFP’s experience is countered by others, especially those in possession of data from “rape camps” of Bosnia and other war zones, who say that women's fertility is either neutral or increased by the distress of rape. Obviously, the information is shaky, at best, which is why he IMMEDIATELY apologized.
60 posted on 08/27/2012 6:34:57 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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