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Did we dodge a bullet in Presidential Race? Santorum/Akin Ilk (Vanity)
August 24, 2012 | pistolpackinpapa

Posted on 08/24/2012 9:43:16 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa

There was a time, this year, when I was rooting for Rick Santorum during the GOP Primary season. Then, he began to make statements that made me nervous. (Most of them, I worked hard at forgetting.) Since this "Todd Aikin thing", I've begun to wonder if we didn't doge a bullet by not nominating Santorum, who for all practical purposes, came in Second Place. I feared that if he got the nomination he would have a "Macaca/Legitimate rape" moment. To me, he and Aikin seem to be of the same ilk. Dunno.....just thinking out loud. Wonder if we didn't dodge a bullet?


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Probably make some folks angry with this, but, the "purist" on here hate me already; so........
1 posted on 08/24/2012 9:43:32 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa
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To: pistolpackinpapa

I would rather Santorum than the liberal we got stuck with. I am sure I will make folks angry, but the “liberals” on here hate me already; so....


2 posted on 08/24/2012 9:45:03 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

You are probably fine with Freedom of Worship as opposed to Freedom of Religion.


3 posted on 08/24/2012 9:46:19 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

And I’m still calling you a noobtard troll.


4 posted on 08/24/2012 9:46:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: napscoordinator
but the “liberals” on here hate me already; so....

Snort.
5 posted on 08/24/2012 9:48:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

I never did understand how conservatives could flock to a big government, regulation lovin’, stab the conservatives in the back kind of guy....

not trying to be sarcastic, this is a legitimate question...

what about him drove you to back him?


6 posted on 08/24/2012 9:49:13 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

Once Perry and Cain dropped out, I pretty much stayed neutral. But never wanted Santorum. His mouth would have written checks we couldn’t have cashed - leaving us politically bankrupt. Like Akin.

I am more than comfortable in my faith. I don’t need a preacher for prez.


7 posted on 08/24/2012 9:51:16 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
So many of the Santorum folks get in line and start supporting Romney for the good of the Country and you want to bring up your hatred of Santorum to piss them off to what end? Do you hate Ryan as well? Is he of the same pro-life, Catholic (gasp!) ilk you seem to detest?

Please don't think out loud, you are not good at it.

8 posted on 08/24/2012 9:52:15 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

This whole election scenario is really starting to look like the whole Supreme Court healthcare too. I remember how confident everyone was that it was going to be overturned. It was just a foregone conclusion: Obamacare struck down by Supreme Court. And then the complete opposite happened and all the conservative intelligentsia were just shocked. Totally caught by surprise. Each one to a man Rush, Levin Hannity, Beck et al.
I’m starting to get the feeling that it’s going to turn out the same way in November. I’m hearing a lot of bragging about how a Romney win is a forgone conclusion. This poll that’s been right for 30 years says so. Nothing to worry about... until you see the election results on the night of November 6


9 posted on 08/24/2012 9:52:45 AM PDT by HarryCrowel
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To: joe fonebone

If you think about it its kind of ironic.

We conservatives are purists but Mitt Romney’s daddy stomped of the convention stage like a little girl in 64 and refused to endorse or support Goldwater. Moderates have been doing the same ever since.


10 posted on 08/24/2012 9:53:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

You embarrassed by conservatives or something?


11 posted on 08/24/2012 9:54:40 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

Well, I think Santorum is good on principles, but he is just not a very good politician, similar to Akin. So, yes, he probably would have had some stumbles. More importantly, he just doesn’t have the right personality to win a Presidential race. He hardly ever seems fired up himself, so it is hard for anyone else to get fired up about him.


12 posted on 08/24/2012 9:57:18 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: pistolpackinpapa

You must really hate socons.


13 posted on 08/24/2012 9:57:29 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

Why are you here? What is your agenda?


14 posted on 08/24/2012 9:58:42 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

You don’t think there is anything SERIOUSLY wrong in saying that Boy Scouts should take homosexual scout masters?!

This thinking would doom us to having AP/NY Times/CNN etc. determine our candidates forever.

If Santorum makes you nervous, then maybe a Pawlenty-type would be more to your liking. He at least could count as a pro-forma conservative.

There were entire BOOKS written about Reagan’s (and W’s) supposed gaffes.

Heck, during the primaries, Reagan almost got derailed for telling an ethnic joke (Poles/Italians).

It is August, most of the country is not tuned in, Obama starts with 40% ... no matter WHAT he does. Republican X starts with 40% NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES.

And here’s something that most people don’t realize. Independents are not on average “moderates”. They are all over the place but they don’t like BS or pandering; they like what works without having to study too much about it. Perot persuaded many of them to support him in 1992. Reagan appealed to a large number in 1980.

Dole and McCain fit the mold of the kind of candidate that your are describing. Either might edge out an Obama today. A Santorum could beat him buy more, and actually do something conservative for a change, too.

Turn off TV news, avoid AP newspapers and the NY Times, and maybe lighten up on FR and talk radio for a while. Time to hit the reset button against all of this noise.


15 posted on 08/24/2012 9:58:57 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

Hell yeah we dodged a bullet. Both Santorum and Akin are like two goofy Labrador puppies chasing after any treat the MSM throws out to them.
Romney /Ryan have their eye on the prize...the presidency, the senate and then the supremes. Run the table. To do this requires a disciplined message on Obama’s failures and how to turn around the economy. To get dragged into debates on porn and “legitimate rape” would have been an epic failure.


16 posted on 08/24/2012 10:00:15 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: pistolpackinpapa

What a stupid waste of bandwidth. This vanity is a vain waste of time.


17 posted on 08/24/2012 10:01:05 AM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama...got that? u)
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To: napscoordinator
When Santorum speaks on social issues, he is sometimes politically incorrect but never uninformed, as Akin is. Huge flaps when Santorum “compared” homosexuality with bestiality. He was only quoting the traditional definition of sodomy that until recently appeared in Black’s Law Dictionary, and making the point that if we cavalierly change the meaning of words, then anything is permitted. Liberals are the disciples of Marcuse, whose aim was the destruction of the “bourgeoisie” family. Akin comes from a faith tradition which puts less stock in precision.
18 posted on 08/24/2012 10:01:47 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
I feared that if he got the nomination he would have a "Macaca/Legitimate rape" moment.

Are you equally fearful that Romney will have such a moment? How about the person(s) you voted for in Congressional primaries?

If not, I'm surprised. Anyone can have such a moment. We're human, and we say things that don't convey what we truly meant to communicate. Add to that the MSM who is liable to jump on the smallest thing (or make things up if they can't find anything), and anyone can fall into what Akin has been experiencing.

19 posted on 08/24/2012 10:01:53 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

Whew!

When I glanced at the title of the thread I thought someone was proposing that we should somehow create a Santorum/Akin ticket at the convention.


20 posted on 08/24/2012 10:03:57 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: pistolpackinpapa

“I miss Newt”


21 posted on 08/24/2012 10:05:00 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: MEGoody
Are you equally fearful that Romney will have such a moment?

It should be a legitimate concern. After all, Mitt is the wizard who came to Michigan to tell us that the great lakes aren't saltwater like it was unknown to us.
22 posted on 08/24/2012 10:05:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

No. Santorum got a worse reception than he would have if Newt hadn’t been the forum’s first choice. But Santorum was running a strong second in spite of the efforts of the DNC, the press, and—I’m sorry to say, Mitt Romney, Drudge, and the whole Republican establishment.

The primary lie was that Santorum would try to force everyone to follow his Christian beliefs. That was a lie. He would hold up Christian morality as a model to follow, but he NEVER indicated that he would push it on anyone.

Romney, on the other hand, is perfectly happy to force gay marriage and taxpayer-funded abortion on us. It doesn’t bother him a bit.

We don’t need an enforcer in the White House, we need a model of decency in the White House.

Incidentally, the press and the propaganda dealers killed Rick Santorum, but in spite of all their efforts he came a close second behind Romney, and probably would have won if not for Newt’s vote splitting and the lies of Matt Drudge and the rest of them.

As for you, I’ve noticed that you do a lot of trolling here in the forum.


23 posted on 08/24/2012 10:07:18 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
Wonder if we didn't dodge a bullet?

I didn't know the election was over. I guess Romney won?

24 posted on 08/24/2012 10:07:56 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

The dodged bullet (or doged bullet) went on to extinguish a unique innocent life. Oh well, as long as you feel better!

If one rightly believes abortion is murder, then it IS murder always. If a person believes in exceptions, then their position is not valid. The “exception argument” is purposely used by the murder advocates to stir up emotions in weak willed persons.

Akin stumbled over his tongue because he was trying to be PC, which is more of a statement about our moronic society than it is about Akin.


25 posted on 08/24/2012 10:08:41 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: pgkdan

Agreed.

Sorry I even took the time to post on it.


26 posted on 08/24/2012 10:10:04 AM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a Hate Crime. I just Hope they don't like it.)
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To: MEGoody
the MSM who is liable to jump on the smallest thing (or make things up if they can't find anything)

Here in Michigan and in the district where Romney is right now.

The democrats are squealing about Pete Hoekstra's comment that he'd like to see the 17th amendment overturned. (I agree) And in that district they're saying that kerry Bentivolio made students cry when he was a high school teacher.

I'm guessing there are hundreds of similar stories all across the country.
27 posted on 08/24/2012 10:10:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
Santorum has 3 types of followers:

1) Normal supporters who believed in him and once they saw who he really was or that he could not win went on to support another candidate.

2) Non-legit Sanotorum supporters who were really Romney supporters but were afraid to admit it. (they feared getting zotted from some of the conservative forums.

3) Today's Akin supports. Many in this group have an ego about the same size. An ego so big that they are willing to allow Obama's infanticide to become law of the land to teach the GOPe a lesson. Their candidate (Akin) was funded and still supported by the pro-abortortionist democrats. This group is so angry with the GOPe for Santorum's loss that they have the goal of pushing for an Obama victory so that they can say to the GOPe: "we told you so".

*to this day the third group (who supports Akin today) refuses to accept the fact that Santorum was in the bag for their enemy Mitt Romney all along.

**today they refuse to accept that Akin is supported by the very people they supposedly oppose.

Definition of insanity, please?

Note: Unfortunately they (group 3) have been outed and pegged for who they really are. And unfortunately we can no longer blame the RINOs for any defeat in 2012. This group #3 now owns that pending defeat. They make us conservatives look bad.

28 posted on 08/24/2012 10:11:36 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

Pro-abortion, homo troll

Get off my computer screen


29 posted on 08/24/2012 10:12:08 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: pistolpackinpapa
Santorum was no cuckoo clock rape expert like the dimwit we've got in Missouri.
30 posted on 08/24/2012 10:17:54 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

Are you having fun trolling? I sure hope so, because I’m having fun laughing at you.


31 posted on 08/24/2012 10:18:02 AM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

The short and simple answer is YES, the party dodged a Huge Bullet by not having Santorum as the nominee. No matter how much that causes some folks here to scream bloody murder its the truth.

Santorum didn’t lose his Senate seat by 17 points for no reason. Just go youtube the guy you can find inflamatory statement after inflamatory statement coming out of his mouth. Yes, when taken in full oontext most are not that bad, but its not the full context that gets played, its the inflamatory sound bite that gets played over and over 24/7 in attack ads etc.


32 posted on 08/24/2012 10:18:35 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: tsowellfan

Arrant nonsense disguised as precise analysis. What you wrote is nonsense.


33 posted on 08/24/2012 10:19:46 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: pistolpackinpapa

34 posted on 08/24/2012 10:20:11 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

We may have dodged a bullet in the primary but the one named Mitt Romney hit us square in the chest.


35 posted on 08/24/2012 10:20:56 AM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

The risk of a “Macaca/Legitimate rape” moment is inversely proportional to the conservative principles of the candidate.


36 posted on 08/24/2012 10:21:41 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Boogieman
Santorum is a great speaker in prepared speeches where he is in command of the room and he's speaking to his supporters. But he seems to dislike interviews with the liberal media when he knows the interviewer is an Obama supporter who is trying to trip him up. He lacks energy and seems downbeat in most interviews with the lefty media. Based on that behavior, he probably would have reacted too emotionally to the relentless negative campaign and the intense attacks that the Obama campaign would have unleashed against him. So I think in this kind of very tough, negative campaign in which Obama cannot really run on his record but instead is mainly just attacking the GOP candidate, Romney is the strongest Republican candidate to run against Obama.

Romney does not get too emotional about Obama's attacks, but instead he and his team coolly and calmly plan and implement their rebuttals and counter-attacks against the Obama campaign. Romney has a very strong, positive, disciplined mind and he's a great counter-puncher against the extremely negative Obama campaign. Obama's campaign relies mainly on distortions and half-truths, and Romney just doesn't get too bothered by Obama's nasty campaign. Instead Romney counter-punches effectively and stays with a disciplined plan that started in January and goes all the way to election day. Newt is also mentally tough and a great counter-puncher, but I think he just has too much personal baggage to win a Presidential campaign. So like him or not, Mitt Romney is the strongest GOP candidate to run in this election against Obama.

37 posted on 08/24/2012 10:33:57 AM PDT by socialism_stinX (If knowledge is power, then why is the MSM mafia so powerful?)
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To: Boogieman
He [Santorum] hardly ever seems fired up himself, so it is hard for anyone else to get fired up about him.
To quote John McEnroe, "You must be joking." :) He was so fired up there was an issue in that regard (his wife had to tell him to "cool it") as he was coming across as a loose cannon, which he somewhat is. That being said, Rick wasn't perfect, but he would have been IMO about 100% better than Romney. Rick had (and still has) a great deal of prayers said for him too; I won't be surprised to see great things from him now and in the future.
38 posted on 08/24/2012 10:35:32 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

Obama would likely be up +10 nationally against Santorum, or Gingrich, right now.


39 posted on 08/24/2012 10:40:10 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: nhwingut

well said


40 posted on 08/24/2012 10:40:41 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: mlizzy

Yes, Rick is a great speaker when speaking to a group of his supporters. He’s absolutely one of the best at firing up a group of his supporters. But I think Romney is the best candidate to run against Obama this year. Please see post 37.


41 posted on 08/24/2012 10:41:26 AM PDT by socialism_stinX (If knowledge is power, then why is the MSM mafia so powerful?)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

Since Santorum wasn’t really a conservative (other than the fact he wanted to ban all methods of birth control), I’d say we dodged a lot of bullets when he lost.

SHARIA-ISTS UNLOAD.. 3 ... 2... 1

Romney wasn’t my first choice, either.


42 posted on 08/24/2012 10:45:12 AM PDT by Reagan69 ( I supported Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD)
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To: pgkdan

Dittos.

What a schmuck.

See my tag line.


43 posted on 08/24/2012 10:45:28 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Sin Makes You Stupid.)
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To: joe fonebone

What bothers me about the abortion threads are many are totally accepting, and even demanding, that federal government has a role in this issue. If abortion is considered to be murder, then it is a state issue. If abortion is a state issue, states can more freely control and limit abortion thereby saving some lives.


44 posted on 08/24/2012 10:52:59 AM PDT by monocle (Some polls are desi)
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To: socialism_stinX
I knew where Rick stood on everything. That was the joy of being a backer of his. I don't know too much about Romney. He says one thing, but his record shows another. When he gets into office, just what will he really do? IMO it depends on what the higher percentage of people (and the Mormon hierarchy) want him to do.
45 posted on 08/24/2012 10:54:19 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

Good point.


46 posted on 08/24/2012 11:03:37 AM PDT by Inconvenient Truthteller
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To: monocle

are you my long lost twin???

I have gotten into many drag down arguments over the exact same thing...

I was even called a baby killer for saying abortion, if you follow the constitution, IS a tenth amendment issue..

every state that has tried to ban or outlaw it has been overturned by the fed....

I firmly believe a good deal of the people on this forum do not accept the saving of one life as a victory...

or the saving of an entire state’s lives as a victory either..

all or nothing..

with that kind of thinking, it will always be nothing..

divide and conquer...

one state at a time


47 posted on 08/24/2012 11:11:40 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: mlizzy

I just didn’t see that. Seemed like a wet noodle to me. Not as bad as Pawlenty, but not really commanding any enthusiasm except from people who were enamored of him solely for his policy stances.


48 posted on 08/24/2012 11:17:47 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: monocle

“If abortion is considered to be murder, then it is a state issue.”

If abortion is murder, it’s not solely a state issue. There would also be a 14th amendment civil rights issue, which would be a Federal issue.


49 posted on 08/24/2012 11:19:25 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
I just didn’t see that. Seemed like a wet noodle to me. Not as bad as Pawlenty, but not really commanding any enthusiasm except from people who were enamored of him solely for his policy stances.
That's interesting, and Pawlenty was really boring I'll agree. We went to Rick's Rally in Arlington Heights, IL, and he was on fire, as was the crowd. The cool thing was there were all age groups there. Lots of youngsters (home-schooled) that had made their own signs (and seniors with canes, walkers, and crutches), etc. Most in attendance were [friendly] evangelicals; we were one of a handful of Catholics. :)
50 posted on 08/24/2012 11:28:28 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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