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Obama Rejects Catholic Leader for Democratic Convention Prayer (GOP accepts him)
Life News ^ | August 24, 2012 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 08/24/2012 3:06:30 PM PDT by NYer

Timothy Cardinal Dolan will deliver the benediction at the Republican Party convention but, in a slight to Catholics, pro-abortion President Barack Obama rejected Cardinal Dolan’s similar offer of a prayer at the Democratic convention.

Dolan told Democrats he would be “grateful” to deliver a blessing in Charlotte, according to the New York Post, but Obama turned him down.

Dolan — considered the top Catholic official in the nation, as head of the Archdiocese of New York and president of the Conference of Catholic Bishops — tipped off Democrats a few weeks ago that he had agreed to deliver the prime-time benediction at the Republican convention in Tampa next week, Dolan’s spokesman Joseph Zwilling told The Post.

As the Post reported:

“He wanted to make sure that they knew that this was not a partisan act on his part and that he would be just as happy and grateful to accept an invitation from the Democrats as he would to have received one from the Republicans,” said Zwilling.

“He has not been contacted by them” since, he added.

A senior Obama campaign official said yesterday that the Democrats would have a “high-ranking” Catholic at the convention, but indicated the arrangements weren’t yet final.

“I can’t announce it because the person hasn’t got their plane ticket,” said the official.

Obama campaign spokesman Adam Fetcher would say only, “The Catholic clergy will be an important part of a diverse community of interfaith leaders represented in Charlotte.”

The symbolism of Cardinal Dolan praying at the Republican convention is important as Romney works to reach Catholic voters in swing states to defeat pro-abortion President Barack Obama.

“This is not a partisan appearance. This is simply to do what a priest should do, which is to pray,” Joseph Zwilling, Dolan’s spokesman, told The Post. “He’s going to pray. He’s not going to give a convention speech.”

Still, Dolan’s appearance is important as the leader of the New York Archdiocese and the head of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, which is one of the leading critics of Obamacare and the pro-abortion mandate forcing religious groups to pay for abortion-causing drugs.

Thomas Peters of CatholicVote, a pro-life group that has endorsed Romney, applauded the move.

“I haven’t weighed in on the Al Smith controversy. Both sides make good arguments, but my hope is simply that we can do everything possible to maintain Catholic unity going into November and that, because Obama’s invitation to the dinner can’t be taken back at this point, we should make the best of it and learn lessons from it if we can,” he said. “That said, critics of Obama’s appearance at the Al Smith dinner should be happy to find out that Cardinal Dolan has consented to give the closing benediction at the GOP Convention in Tampa right after Mitt Romney gives his acceptance speech on the same stage.”

“In 2008 when Barack Obama won I predicted there would not be a good relationship between the White House and the U.S. Bishops during the Obama administration, and that proved to be true,” he added. “I now predict that if Mitt Romney wins the White House in 2012 there will be a very healthy relationship between a Romney administration and the U.S. Bishops, led by a close working relationship between Cardinal Dolan and President Romney. That’s all I say. But I think that means a lot when compared to what we have now.”

A Romney ad this month featured the late Pope John Paul II and accused Obama of a “war on religion.”

“Who shares your values?” the ad asks. “President Obama used his health care plan to declare war on religion, forcing religious institutions to go against their faith.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012rncconvention; catholicvote; dnc; dolan; gop; obama; rnc

1 posted on 08/24/2012 3:06:41 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
Interesting! Cardinal Dolan invites both Obama and Romney to the Annual Al Smith dinner. Both accept. GOP invites Dolan to give benediction at the RNC; Dolan accepts. DNC rejects Dolan from their convention.

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2 posted on 08/24/2012 3:08:53 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

Cardinal Dolan BETTER deliver a great prayer!!! One that NAILS the DEMS on their EVIL ways.


3 posted on 08/24/2012 3:09:50 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NYer
Unless Cardinal Dolan intended to speak clearly and unambiguously about issues of morality it would have been sinful for him to have spoken to the Rats because they would have interpreted his presence,understandably,as approval of their filthy perversions.
4 posted on 08/24/2012 3:10:37 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: NYer

Does Cardinal Dolan know about the Boy Scouts?


5 posted on 08/24/2012 3:11:47 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: NYer

Does Cardinal Dolan know about the Boy Scouts?


6 posted on 08/24/2012 3:12:05 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: NYer

Barry doesn’t want anyone praying to anyone but him.


7 posted on 08/24/2012 3:14:38 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: NYer
Did anyone really expect a Muslime to allow a Catholic Cardinal to to deliver a blessing in Charlotte?
8 posted on 08/24/2012 3:16:12 PM PDT by hflynn
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To: NYer

http://angrywhitedude.com/2012/08/dnc-convention-to-start-with-radical-islam-of-course/

DNC CONVENTION TO START WITH….RADICAL ISLAM? OF COURSE!

If you need any further proof of the disconnect with traditional America from the Democrat Party, look no further than its infatuation with Islam. Not any Islam…but specifically, radical Islam. Of course, AWD is not sure if there is such thing as non-radical Islam. We’ve never seen too many so-called moderate Muslims calling for the halting of violence that always seems to accompany Islam wherever it spreads. If any Muslims dare to speak out against the violence of radical Islamists, they have less time left on Earth than a Sara Lee cheesecake in the fridge of Rosie O’Donnell.

Continuing with their “Islam has always played a major part in American history” BS, the radical Democrat Party will open its DNC Convention in Charlotte with a “Jumah At The DNC” event on August 31st. Word has it that Jews are invited. Apparently, the Muslims need some victims. Maybe they’ll play “Pin the grenade on the Jew.” What exactly is a Jumah? The City of Charlotte is praying it isn’t some kind of bomb!

M. Zuhdi Jasser M.D., Founder and President of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy wrote:

It is troubling that the Democratic National Convention has decided to promote and lend its name and national political platform to the organizers of the “Jummah at the DNC”. The leaders of this event – Jibril Hough and Imam Siraj Wahhaj as advertised are no moderates. They are radicals. These individuals embrace Islamist supremacy and have demonstrated support for radical ideologies.


9 posted on 08/24/2012 3:17:59 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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10 posted on 08/24/2012 3:20:58 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: NYer

The difference will be noticed by Catholics, especially because it will be noticed by anti-Catholics on the left. Last election it was roughly 50-50, but I would expect from now on more and more Catholics will be seeing that the Democrat party is leaving them.


11 posted on 08/24/2012 3:21:35 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: ilovesarah2012

Cardinal Dolan is a man with courage and principles. He’s a fearless, uncompromising ‘leader’ who loves his country.

Obamatollah is a coward with no principles; he may be POTUS, yet he will never be a ‘leader’ simply because he’s a spineless girlie-man with no convictions.

The word ‘convictions’ may be taken either way...

:o)


12 posted on 08/24/2012 3:27:58 PM PDT by delcopatriot (Defeat Obamatollah and his czars!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

That’s what brought me over from the “dark side” in the mid-90s.


13 posted on 08/24/2012 3:32:35 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby!)
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To: Vince Ferrer
The difference will be noticed by Catholics, especially because it will be noticed by anti-Catholics on the left.

Excellent point, This will be especially true for ...

Obama's Catholic supporters drop pro-life argument in 2012 appeal

14 posted on 08/24/2012 3:38:34 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Unless Cardinal Dolan intended to speak clearly and unambiguously about issues of morality it would have been sinful for him to have spoken to the Rats because they would have interpreted his presence,understandably,as approval of their filthy perversions.

Flip that around. Does this way still work?

Unless Cardinal Dolan intends to speak clearly and unambiguously about issues of morality, it will be sinful for him to speak to the Republicans because they will interpret his presence, understandably, as approval of their [fill in the blank].

15 posted on 08/24/2012 3:49:28 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2898271/posts?page=119#119)
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To: Alex Murphy
Unless Cardinal Dolan intended to speak clearly and unambiguously about issues of morality it would have been sinful for him to have spoken to the Rats because they would have interpreted his presence,understandably,as approval of their filthy perversions.

Flip that around. Does this way still work?

Unless Cardinal Dolan intends to speak clearly and unambiguously about issues of morality, it will be sinful for him to speak to the Republicans because they will interpret his presence, understandably, as approval of their [fill in the blank].

Actually, it is pretty likely that Dolan will criticize Republicans in some small way, and democrats will love it. However, the difference is that the republicans invited him, gave him time, and respectfully listened to him, where the democrats did not.

16 posted on 08/24/2012 4:02:15 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

Ten to one says the teleprompter in chief will have that pro-abortion nun praying for him at the DNC convention. She’ll probably have all those liberal pro-abort, homo-loving nuns that ride around with her on that bus. They will all he sitting in the front row with their habits on, something they don’t even wear now.


17 posted on 08/24/2012 4:08:11 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NYer

The Democrat Convention opens with Jeremiah Right leading a group of 100 Gospel Singers in singing “God Damn America”.....


18 posted on 08/24/2012 4:51:31 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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19 posted on 08/24/2012 4:58:50 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: Alex Murphy
Flip that around. Does this way still work? Unless Cardinal Dolan intends to speak clearly and unambiguously about issues of morality, it will be sinful for him to speak to the Republicans because they will interpret his presence, understandably, as approval of their [fill in the blank].

While the Republican Party has never achieved perfection in any way they are,today,noticeably closer to it than are the Rats.

20 posted on 08/24/2012 5:12:51 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: NKP_Vet

And maybe Fr. Pfleger too.


21 posted on 08/24/2012 5:23:08 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: Ann Archy

He had better be very explicit so that the dumb Catholics (and there are legions) will understand what he is talking about.


22 posted on 08/24/2012 5:37:14 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as good as those who enforce it.)
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To: delcopatriot

The dems will probably have a lesbian nun say their prayer. I wonder why they even bother with a prayer. They want God out of everything.


23 posted on 08/24/2012 5:41:33 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: traditional1
The Democrat Convention opens with Jeremiah Right leading a group of 100 Gospel Singers in singing “God Damn America”....."

Sad and funny at the same time!!

24 posted on 08/24/2012 5:48:28 PM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: RichInOC

The real truth is that Cardinal Dolan would not read the speech that mac daddies plantation slaves had written for him praising mac daddy as the chosen one and that nobody is allowed to question anything he does or says.


25 posted on 08/24/2012 6:16:05 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: Ann Archy

Are you praying for him? ;-)


26 posted on 08/25/2012 5:57:12 AM PDT by SumProVita
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To: NYer

He’s just baiting the conservatives again. Hey! Look over here! Look over here!


27 posted on 08/25/2012 4:25:19 PM PDT by rivercat
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To: SumProVita

YES!!!!


28 posted on 08/25/2012 5:35:16 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NYer

“I can’t announce it because the person hasn’t got their plane ticket,” said the official.

Besides, it’s a long way to Iran.


29 posted on 08/25/2012 5:40:31 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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i've been dropping stinkers on the "Catholics for obama 2012" website. I urge all freepers -- whether Catholic or not, to dive bomb this site and show them for what rotters they are.

it is the duty of all of us to tell any Catholic or CINO that if they vote Obama, we will not consider them Catholic. They can leave if they want, but no "catholics" for O.

30 posted on 08/30/2012 5:35:27 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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it is the duty of all of us to tell any Catholic or CINO that if they vote Obama, we will not consider them Catholic.

Who's this "we" that you speak of, Cronos?

....Jesuit Father Thomas J. Reese of the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University said Catholics “should never become captive to any single party. Every four years, we’re the swing voters who decide elections and we should treasure that.” He said Catholic clergy should continue the tradition of not running for office and bishops should continue to speak on issues while avoiding partisan politics.

Father Reese said Catholics must realize that appeals to Catholic theology and religious authority will not be persuasive to everyone. “Things like excommunication and denying Communion because of votes are not only stupid, but harmful to the goals,” he said, because it gets the candidate off message and makes certain issues appear to be of interest only to the Catholic community and not the wider electorate. DiIulio said the disciplining of Catholic candidates by Catholic clergy has backfired. “People have thought better about it. Do you really want most of the ink spilled and the lines written on this, instead of the issues?” he asked.
-- from the thread Catholic voter: Focus on ‘sinful inequalities’ called core strength

“One side usually blesses us when we preach the virtue of fiscal responsibility, the civil rights of the unborn, the danger of government-tampering with the definition of marriage, and the principle of subsidiarity … Yet this same side then often cringes when we defend workers, speak on behalf of the rights of the undocumented immigrant, and remind government of the moral imperative to protect the poor.

The other side enjoys quoting us when we extol universal health care, question the death penalty, demand that every budget and program be assessed on whether it will help or hurt those in need, encourage international aid, and promote the principle of solidarity … and then these same folks bristle when we defend the rights of parents in education, those of the baby in the womb and grandma on her death bed, insist that America is at her best when people of faith have a respected voice in the public square, defend traditional marriage, and remind government that it has no right to intrude in Church affairs, but does have the obligation to protect the rights of conscience.

So, we bishops get both blessed and blasted, a friend or foe of bloggers, pundits, and politicians, depending on what the issue is.”
-- Cardinal Timothy Dolan, on the thread CARA suggests polls on creation of a third party: Christian Democrats


31 posted on 08/30/2012 6:42:12 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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This WE is specifically Freerepublic freepers -- now NYer, Vince and I are utterly committed to conservatism and for now to the GOP. I'd vote for a Palin or a Cain whether they be Catholic or not against a Pelosi.

So your post's constant attempt to smear US conservative freeper Catholics and club us in the same club as those who aren't is just stupid.

As stupid as anyone saying that since you are non-Catholic, and O says he is non-Catholic, then you two are in the same boat.

so put your little quips aside and focus on this election now.

32 posted on 08/30/2012 6:54:23 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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“should never become captive to any single party. Every four years, we’re the swing voters who decide elections and we should treasure that.” He said Catholic clergy should continue the tradition of not running for office and bishops should continue to speak on issues while avoiding partisan politics.

And need I remind you that FR itself has said that we are for conservatism, full stop. Right now the GOP has it (and the dims never have and never will), but more critically the Tea-Party has it. We support conservatism. If the GOP leaves conservatism and supports abortion on it's platform, that is time to leave (and no, neverDim). thanks to FR this has NOT happened -- we are pushing the party back to conservatism, kicking and screaming.

To Fr. Thomas's point, the issues are clear -- babykilling is full stop wrong. the Dims support it, hence they can never be the party to vote for.

33 posted on 08/30/2012 7:02:06 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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....it is the duty of all of us to tell any Catholic or CINO that if they vote Obama, we will not consider them Catholic....This WE is specifically Freerepublic freepers -- now NYer, Vince and I are utterly committed to conservatism and for now to the GOP.

Well I'm glad to hear that you're committed to conservatism, but it's not within any Freepers' authority, Catholic or not, to (re)define who is or isn't Catholic insofar as your organization believes. Isn't that the pervue of your bishops? If they declare someone to be "in the fold", neither you nor I have any recognized authority over the bishop's, to declare said person differently.

But feel free to question your bishops' authority and competancy, and then to excommunicate your fellow Catholics, based on some higher authority. And with God's grace, we'll make a Protestant out of you yet :)

34 posted on 08/30/2012 7:59:01 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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More to the point, it’s the duty of every freeper like YOU to ensure that you don’t club fellow freepers with the likes of Pelosi or Carter or Obama or whoever..


35 posted on 08/30/2012 8:01:17 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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And with God's grace, we'll make a Protestant out of you yet :) --> a Protestant like Carter or Obama? No way.

Neither a Catholic like Teddy K or Pelosi.

36 posted on 08/30/2012 8:01:56 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: NYer

NY’er are you sure about this? I read on a thread earlier this week that Dolan would be at both conventions.


37 posted on 08/30/2012 8:04:01 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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Post #35 - it’s the duty of every freeper like YOU to ensure that you don’t club fellow freepers with the likes of Pelosi or Carter or Obama or whoever..
Post #36 - a Protestant like Carter or Obama? No way.

....and Cronos sets the example....

38 posted on 08/30/2012 8:10:07 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
Actually, it's Alex Murphy who has set the example

Post 4: Unless Cardinal Dolan intends to speak clearly and unambiguously about issues of morality, it will be sinful for him to speak to the Republicans because they will interpret his presence, understandably, as approval of their

though you do mention about the Catholic Church that it does then these same folks bristle when we defend the rights of parents in education, those of the baby in the womb and grandma on her death bed, insist that America is at her best when people of faith have a respected voice in the public square, defend traditional marriage, and remind government that it has no right to intrude in Church affairs, but does have the obligation to protect the rights of conscience.

So perhaps we can make a Catholic of you yet if you support the rights of parents in education, those of the baby in the womb and grandma on her death bed, defend traditional marriage etc.

39 posted on 08/30/2012 8:26:07 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: mware
NY’er are you sure about this? I read on a thread earlier this week that Dolan would be at both conventions.

Subsequent to posting this thread, the DNC extended an invite to Dolan and I posted a follow up thread with that information. Perhaps you missed it.

Cardinal Dolan - and Sister Simone Campbell - to bless the Democratic convention

40 posted on 08/30/2012 11:10:38 AM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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