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Catholics Shift Away from Obama, Democratic Party
CT ^ | August 23, 2012 | Shane Vander Hart

Posted on 08/24/2012 3:46:15 PM PDT by NYer

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Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception (Washington, DC)
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Catholics are a major voting block, and one that can’t be pigeonholed by Republicans or Democrats. A recent NPR segment compared Vice President Joe Biden with the presumptive Vice Presidential nominee, Congressman Paul Ryan. Both are Catholics, but their worldview is not the same.

Stephen Schneck, a political scientist at Catholic University, said that Biden comes from a more traditional generation of Catholics.

“This is the Catholicism of our old ethnic neighborhoods, and our union halls, and St. Christopher medals on the dashboard sort of thing,” Stephen says.

It is a working-class Catholicism, he says, where the Mass and the rosary are part of the warp and woof of daily life in places such as Scranton, Pa., Biden’s boyhood town. As Biden said when he visited Scranton in 2008, “This is where my family values and my faith melded.”

Those values — of the cop, the fireman, the union leader — placed Catholics solidly in the Democratic camp for decades. Schneck, who co-chairs Catholics for Obama, says these Catholics tend to have a positive attitude toward government.

“Think about John Kennedy’s famous ‘ask not’ lines here,” Schneck says. “For that generation of Catholics, it’s a recognition that government and civil society have a profoundly positive role to play.”

Robert George, a conservative Catholic and professor of Jurisprudence at Princeton University, says that generation is being supplanted by a younger generation that tends to be more conservative.

“We have a younger generation of Catholics who are more conservative, especially on moral and cultural issues,” he says.

George says these younger Catholics — who are sometimes called “intentional Catholics” — tend to be more committed to conservative parts of Catholic doctrine. Many, like Ryan, 42, came of age during the papacy of John Paul II. They see themselves in Ryan, who opposes same-sex marriage and abortion except when the mother’s life is in danger. In fact, Ryan sponsored a “personhood bill” that would define a fertilized egg as a human being.

Couple that NPR segment with a new poll commissioned by the American Life League which shows President Obama is losing support from Catholics. From an email I received this afternoon:

Between August 15-19 of this year, American Life League commissioned a nationwide telephone survey of 900 self-identified Catholic registered voters. The focus of the survey was Catholic perspectives on the Church and nation. Below are some of the results of the survey.

Only 27 percent of the Catholics surveyed support President Obama. Of those surveyed, 74 percent of Catholic men over the age of 50 do not support Obama, while Obama support among Catholic men under 50 years is only 25 percent. With Catholic women over the age of 50, the president’s support is only 23 percent, with just 31 percent among Catholic women under 50 years.

American Life League speculates that such a dramatic shift may be caused by Obama’s HHS mandates and ensuing legal battle over religious freedom, as 73 percent of Catholics polled believe that the mandates violate their religious freedom.

“This nationwide survey revealed surprising results that should cause our leaders to pause and consider the consequences of their decisions and the impact it has on their constituents. Can Obama’s support among Catholics be dwindling this fast?” said Paul E. Rondeau, ALL executive director. “One thing is certain: Catholics, like most Americans, feel strongly about their religious rights and are committed to defending their faith. Both Church and national leaders should heed this notice.”

The American Life League poll was conducted by ccAdvertising, Centreville, Virginia, which gives the margin of error as +/- 3 percent.

Winning or losing the Catholic vote can make or break a Presidential candidate.


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1 posted on 08/24/2012 3:46:18 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Until they saw Todd Akin


2 posted on 08/24/2012 3:47:05 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
Catholic Ping
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3 posted on 08/24/2012 3:47:16 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

voters can be pretty stupid as we all know,
And for whatever stupid reason Catholics, Jews, yut’s, latins, fags, unionists and of course blacks all are still going to vote majority for this marxist punk.


4 posted on 08/24/2012 3:49:40 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Joe Boucher

As a catholic sir i take offense. every catholic in my large family are vehemently opposed to obama.


5 posted on 08/24/2012 3:56:17 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: hecht

“Think about John Kennedy’s famous ‘ask not’ lines here,” Schneck says. “For that generation of Catholics, it’s a recognition that government and civil society have a profoundly positive role to play.”

Robert George, a conservative Catholic and professor of Jurisprudence at Princeton University, says that generation is being supplanted by a younger generation that tends to be more conservative”

The John Kennedy generation of Catholics were pro-life.
It was they fatass nothing Teddy Kennedy that destroyed a generation of Catholics when he switched from being pro-life to pro-abortion - in a shameful attempt to get the female bra burders vote in the late 60s and 70s. There are videos on the internet showing Teddy Kennedy running as a pro-life candidate, then he sold his soul to the devil for a vote. The Kennedy generation that came after him said if uncle Teddy can be for baby murder it must be OK. The most influential American Catholic family of 20th Century are the reason that so many Catholics started voting for the party of death. But committed, Mass-going Catholics usually vote Republican. And that’s a good sign.


6 posted on 08/24/2012 4:00:00 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NYer

Why would a Christian vote for Muslim Barack Hussein Obama anyway? Or why would a Hindu, Jew or Buddhist? Muslims work to annihilate all others.


7 posted on 08/24/2012 4:01:38 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: NKP_Vet

When I was young it was Catholics that were the face of the right to life movement.
In the 80s it shifted to the evangelicals.
Now after the exposure of the belief in the magic spemacide/uterus I wish Catholics would retake the mantle.


8 posted on 08/24/2012 4:02:54 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: NYer

Catholics shifting away from evil?

They shouldn’t have gone in that direction in the first place.

52% of Catholic voters were dumbasses in 2008. I know this to be a fact — I met too many of them in my parish. Most of them are still a bunch of feel-good liberals.


9 posted on 08/24/2012 4:03:15 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as good as those who enforce it.)
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To: NYer

Catholics shifting away from evil?

They shouldn’t have gone in that direction in the first place.

52% of Catholic voters were dumbasses in 2008. I know this to be a fact — I met too many of them in my parish. Most of them are still a bunch of feel-good liberals.


10 posted on 08/24/2012 4:03:38 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as good as those who enforce it.)
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To: NYer

I’m guessing the Catholics got the memo from the Cardinal.


11 posted on 08/24/2012 4:04:17 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: 353FMG

I’ve still got them posting pro-Obama crap on FB at me.

Talk about stuck on stupid


12 posted on 08/24/2012 4:05:23 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: NYer
Dolan is closing the dim convention the last night... he claims it is not an endorsement... but his actions of the past would call into question the veracity of that claim. I am very confused by some in the Catholic Church. I am also in awe of some in the Church.

LLS

13 posted on 08/24/2012 4:14:05 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Sarah speaking at the romney convention would be like Led Zeppelin opening for The Monkees)
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To: NKP_Vet

Already in the early ‘60s, the Kennedys were coming on board with the pro-choice types. Their teacher was Father Drinan. That there were lots of Father Drinans is the reason who so many Catholics abandoned the traditional teachings of the Church and took up liberalism.


14 posted on 08/24/2012 4:15:56 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Dolan is also closing the first night of the GOP convention with an invocation. He’s not endorsing either side.


15 posted on 08/24/2012 4:18:33 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Your comment aside, your tagline is brilliant!


16 posted on 08/24/2012 4:19:20 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: Joe Boucher

No one at my parish will vote for him, of course, I go to Latin Mass.


17 posted on 08/24/2012 4:23:25 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: RobbyS
My mother-in-law is the archetype for the stupid Catholics who support Obama and the Democrats. She's supposed to be a "good" Catholic, and very ProLife, but, unbelievably, thinks Obama is our greatest President ever, and will not countenance any criticism of him or any evidence of how mprodeath he is.

She gets all her information from the major networks and the local newspaper.

18 posted on 08/24/2012 4:24:51 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: NYer; Chode

It’s about time!!!


19 posted on 08/24/2012 4:31:43 PM PDT by Morgana (-----------> Eat at Chick-Fil-A <-----------)
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To: Joe Boucher

Maybe the unionist over at GM but here in West Virginia the coal mining unionist are not for Obozo!!!


20 posted on 08/24/2012 4:33:11 PM PDT by Morgana (-----------> Eat at Chick-Fil-A <-----------)
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To: Donnafrflorida

Donnafrflorida
you can take offense all you care to,
Facts are facts mam, the majority of Catholics voted for obammy previously and it will happen this time too.
Just the facts mam, just the facts.
Course you can work to change the minds of your fellow Cathilics.


21 posted on 08/24/2012 4:37:02 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: NYer
It is a working-class Catholicism, he says, where the Mass and the rosary are part of the warp and woof of daily life in places such as Scranton, Pa., Biden’s boyhood town. As Biden said when he visited Scranton in 2008, “This is where my family values and my faith melded.”

Maybe 50 or 60 years ago. Since that time, that brand of Catholicism has devolved into a Dorothy-Day socialistic melange of 60's hippy-dippy communistic/socialistic feel-good government-fed dependency that the current DemocRAT party has been only too happy to accommodate.

22 posted on 08/24/2012 4:38:35 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: nicmarlo
I’m guessing the Catholics got the memo from the Cardinal.

I think a portion of the ones who voted for Obama - and still might - never listen to the magisterium regardless. Hopefully the faithful ones who got caught up in all the hoopla back in 2008 have since seen the light.

23 posted on 08/24/2012 4:44:13 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: pbear8

pbear8,
Please understand I am not trashing catholics, just stating facts.
I’m not even being judgemental, just stating facts.


24 posted on 08/24/2012 4:44:58 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Joe Boucher

The Catholic Church has its share of non-thinking drones. The 60s were very bad for the Church. I have hope that more and more are walking out of that era and like cave dwellers, exiting blinking into the light. Time will tell.


25 posted on 08/24/2012 4:51:04 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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Thanks NYer.
"women have been under attack - attack of the ignorant, attack of our male counterparts that cannot understand our bodies."
The juxtaposition of "women" and "male counterparts" is a must-use for feminazis like this ignorant, sexist, racist bitch.


26 posted on 08/24/2012 4:51:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Joe Boucher
Dear Joe Boucher,

Actually, Catholics have become a swing vote. They no longer vote as a bloc for Democrats. The last presidential candidate to win more than 55% of the Catholic vote was Ronald Reagan in 1984, winning 56%.

You'll find that for the last few decades (since 1972) the winner of the popular vote in presidential elections nearly always secures a [small] majority of the Catholic vote.

GWBush took the majority by 5% in 2004.

Gore took a narrow majority in 2000.

Clinton received a plurality and a majority in his two elections.

Dukakis in ‘88 was the exception to the rule - he took a Catholic majority but lost anyway.

Reagan took Catholics twice.

Carter took Catholics in 1976.

Nixon took a very large majority of Catholics in 1972.

It's likely that whomever receives a majority of the Catholic vote this time around will probably win the popular vote.

And it isn't looking as good for the Kenyan anti-Christ this time around. What few polls I've seen suggest the anti-Christ losing about 10% of his Catholic support, falling from the low-to-mid 50s to the mid-40s.

Combined with losses with other demographics, it will be a much tougher election for Satan's bitch this time around.


sitetest

27 posted on 08/24/2012 5:05:28 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: hecht

Believing, Mass going Catholics are still the most pro-life of any religion. When Roe v. Wade came out the
Catholic Church was about the only Christian church that was against abortion. Most protestants were pro-abortion. The Catholic Church has been pro-life for 2,000 years.

What does bother me is how the media lumps cafeteria catholics (small C), into any discussion of the Catholic faith. When the media says Obama got 54% of Catholic voters they never tell you that the majority of these catholics are not believers and have not been to Mass in years. The Cathacism is clear. You get be for abortion and homo marriage and still be Catholic, but these hypocrites still call themselves Catholic (along with the Pelosis, Bedin’s, Kennedy’s), and make REAL believing Catholics look bad. I think any Catholic politician that openly promotes that which causes great scandal in the Church (abortion and homo-marriage), should be excommunicated from the Church. Let them join the Episcopalians, who have no problem with sodomite marriage or abortion on demand. I am tired of cafeteria catholics making the rest of us look bad.


28 posted on 08/24/2012 5:07:25 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NYer

I don’t know if it’s really accurate to say that younger Catholics are more conservative, it’s just that the older generations were never confronted with — nor could have imagined being confronted with — so many non-conservative issues. Abortion was so “out there” that “decent” people didn’t discuss it. Gay rights??? Even the most dedicated Democrat prior to 1970 or 1980 wouldn’t have dreamed of “marriage” or any other such nonsense. So many issues we think of today as conservative were simply “assumed to be true”.... back in the day.


29 posted on 08/24/2012 5:14:31 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: NYer
“Think about John Kennedy’s famous ‘ask not’ lines here,” Schneck says. “For that generation of Catholics, it’s a recognition that government and civil society have a profoundly positive role to play.”

And sadly those older folks STAYED with the Democrats even though the changes in the party brought it directly into conflict with Catholic teachings. By that time, the voters were so wedded to the notion that the Democrats were for the 'little guy' that they never even listened when anyone tried to tell them something different.

30 posted on 08/24/2012 5:21:16 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: NKP_Vet
. . .that government and civil society. . .

Notice the slippery use of language here: pretending that government and civil society are the same thing. Leftists, and only leftists, believe that. They say "we must help the less fortunate", to which a conservative Christian of any confession would agree, interpreting "we" as civil society -- people organized into families, parishes, volunteer organizations, charitable foundations, . . . -- but what the leftist means by that is "government using tax revenues must help the less fortunate."

31 posted on 08/24/2012 5:32:34 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: sitetest

“Nixon took a very large majority of Catholics in 1972”.
Nixon took a large majority nearly everywhere in 72.
I’m hoping you are right and the marxist punk is sent packing.


32 posted on 08/24/2012 5:33:52 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: 353FMG
now if we can just get the church going blacks to stop voting based on their racism we can form a real Christian coalition that can start to fix the mess that has been made of this country by liberal atheists.
33 posted on 08/24/2012 5:57:12 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Joe Boucher
Dear Joe Boucher,

“Nixon took a large majority nearly everywhere in 72.”

That's true. And it seems that in that year, the Catholic vote joined the ordinary politics of America, not as a large, monolithic group of voters that were in the bag for the Democrats, but rather a diverse group of voters that would give small, but important majorities to usually-winning candidates.

A lot can happen between now and November. However, I can tell you that the anti-Christ’s share of the vote among practicing Catholics (folks who show up for Mass at least semi-regularly) looks likely, at this time, to crater. That makes it likely that he will lose the Catholic vote to Gov. Romney this time out.


sitetest

34 posted on 08/24/2012 5:57:31 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: COBOL2Java
I think a portion of the ones who voted for Obama - and still might - never listen to the magisterium regardless

That's absolutely true. They listen to the Bishops only when the Bishops are supporting their own Social Justice brand of Catholicism. If the Bishops start talking pro-life, or sexual sin, these folks simply ignore them.

35 posted on 08/24/2012 6:08:45 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: sitetest

I’m hoping and praying you are correct.

sitetest,
Is there any conservative areas in Maryland? Not trying to be mean, jsut curious?


36 posted on 08/24/2012 6:08:45 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: COBOL2Java

Hopefully so; I’m thinking it may well be the case. Especially after all the Bishops and Priests became quite vocal in standing up against Obama’s forced birth control pill in Obamacare.


37 posted on 08/24/2012 6:09:48 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Joe Boucher

Dear Joe Boucher,

No offense taken. There are three hyper-liberal jurisdictions: Baltimore city, Montgomery County and Prince George’s County.

The remaining counties range from purplish to deep red.

Unfortunately, nearly half the state’s population lives in the three super liberal jurisdictions.

As well, there are many “old Democrats.”. Folks who are often culturally and even economically conservative, but their daddy voted Democrat, and their grandaddy and so on.

sitetest


38 posted on 08/24/2012 6:20:12 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Joe Boucher

St. Mary’s County (where the Catholic colony began in 1634) is still conservative but not sure how long that will last due to its proximity to DC (that’s where I’m from).


39 posted on 08/24/2012 6:48:06 PM PDT by Wage Slave (Army Mom!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Dolan is closing the dim convention the last night... he claims it is not an endorsement... but his actions of the past would call into question the veracity of that claim. I am very confused by some in the Catholic Church. I am also in awe of some in the Church.
LLS

What are you talking about? Dolan was not invited to give the Benediction at the Dem convention.

He is giving it at the Republican convention.


40 posted on 08/24/2012 7:24:59 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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Whoops, that one was supposed to go here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2922546/posts


41 posted on 08/24/2012 7:36:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: COBOL2Java
Cobol: "Catholicism has devolved into a Dorothy-Day socialistic melange of 60's hippy-dippy communistic/socialistic feel-good government-fed dependency..."

Dorothy Day: "We believe that social security legislation, now hailled as a great victory for the poor and for the worker, is a great defeat for Christianity."

You've got your facts wrong here, my friend. Whatever Catholicism has devolved into (and I get your general picture) Dorothy Day had nothing to do with it. From her conversion to Cathjolicism in 1927 to her death in 1980, she at no point advocated "government-fed dependency" as you so eloquently put it.

For her, it was love in person in the name of Christ all the way --- not socialism.

Day certainly was an ex-denizen of the Socialist Left; but from the time of her conversion she was far, far more religious than political; in the same league as St. Francis of Assisi and on the opposite end of the Universe from both 'borts and Bolsheviks; and to the extent that she was residually political from her younger days, she was anarcho-personalist in her sympathies, not statist in the least.

I'm correcting the picture at such great length because I know Day is often invoked and distorted by the government-suckled Catholic Left. And this is so wrong.

One of Day's most-appreciated maxims was "The Church must never abandon the poor --- to Holy Mother the State."

42 posted on 08/24/2012 7:42:58 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: NYer

Good news, it’s about time.


43 posted on 08/24/2012 7:51:32 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Morgana
i don't believe thinking Catholics ever voted RAT... only the touchy feely CINO's
44 posted on 08/24/2012 8:03:19 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: NYer
I don't understand Catholicism and I do not understand the Pope.

It could be argued that Nancy Pelosi is the most powerful proponent of abortion and infanticide on the planet.

It could be argued that the Pope is the most powerful advocate against abortion on the planet.

He for whatever reasons agreed to meet with her.

And yet as defiant as she was to highest authority in the Catholic Church there were no marks on her hands that he repeatedly rapped her knuckles with a ruler for her insubordination.

If I be Pope, Nancy be excommuinicated in a New York minute, and I'd kick out Chwissy Mathews for good measure as well.

It is my understanding that in times past many were excommunicated for lesser acts of defiance.

45 posted on 08/24/2012 8:24:25 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: hecht

>>Now after the exposure of the belief in the magic spemacide/uterus I wish Catholics would retake the mantle.<<

Where are you that Catholics don’t head the Pro-Life movement? Have you ever been to a “March for Life”? Catholics are there by the thousands. I know, it’s not covered by the MSM, so how would you know?

We have three buses leaving from my parish alone in January to go to Washington. We meet up with many others and caravan.

Bet you didn’t see this on the evening news!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI8zcNYGKF4&feature=related

My kids are in a Yellow Life balloon group.


46 posted on 08/24/2012 8:35:03 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: NYer; nickcarraway; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Ping!


47 posted on 08/24/2012 8:36:18 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NKP_Vet; hecht

“Believing, Mass going Catholics are still the most pro-life of any religion. When Roe v. Wade came out the
Catholic Church was about the only Christian church that was against abortion. Most protestants were pro-abortion. The Catholic Church has been pro-life for 2,000 years.”

True!


48 posted on 08/24/2012 8:37:33 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: Joe Boucher; Donnafrflorida

>>Facts are facts mam, the majority of Catholics voted for obammy previously and it will happen this time too.<<

Fact, A Catholic is required to attend mass every Sunday.
Fact, those who do not, continue to call themselves “Catholic”.
Fact, Church going Catholics (non-CINO) voted overwhelmingly for McCain.

So, in fact, non-attending of every denomination voted Obama, but those who are not Catholic in Name Only, did not vote for Obama.


49 posted on 08/24/2012 8:40:40 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: sitetest
Re: "Satan's bitch":

Whoops, wrong Hussein. Ah, well... perhaps someone with Photoshop talent can make the necessary adjustment.

50 posted on 08/24/2012 8:49:38 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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