Skip to comments.Romney touts Massachusetts health plan
Posted on 08/24/2012 11:01:32 PM PDT by WilliamIII
DENVER Mitt Romney said in an interview Thursday that his plan to provide universal health insurance in Massachusetts was superior to President Obama's own health care plan.
"My health care plan I put in place in my state has everyone insured, but we didn't go out and raise taxes on people and have a unelected board tell people what kind of health care they can have," Romney said in an interview with CBS' Denver affiliate, KCNC.
Obama's plan was modeled on Romney's, which has made some conservatives wary of the former Massachusetts governor. Some GOP activists were angered when a Romney spokeswoman touted the Massachusetts plan on Fox News earlier this month.
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dumb move idjit: here we are doing you the big favor of dragging you over the finish line, and you go and add news cycle fodder to make it harder.
words of advice: forget romneycare. it’s a big skeleton in your closet. close the door again, and keep it closed!
I have absolutely no problem if Romney wants to defend Romneycare.
Some people don’t seem to get the distinction between a sovereign state devising its own system and a federal government telling 310 million people how to live their lives.
Now if somebody is from Mass. and they think it is bad policy, I would judge Romney on that, but I don’t buy the argument that Romneycare and Obamacare are the same thing.
By “REPEAL AND REPLACE”, Romney’s plan is to repeal Obamacare on the condition that Romneycare be mandated in the other 49 states.
So we replace one big socialized medicine fiasco with 50 little socialized medicine fiascoes.
“You knew what I was when you picked me up.”
“I have absolutely no problem if Romney wants to defend Romneycare.
Some people dont seem to get the distinction between a sovereign state devising its own system and a federal government telling 310 million people how to live their lives.
Now if somebody is from Mass. and they think it is bad policy, I would judge Romney on that, but I dont buy the argument that Romneycare and Obamacare are the same thing.”
RomneyCare was an unprecedented piece of legislation. The way you describe it, you act as if it would be just a normal thing for a state to consider. MittensCare violates the very essence and spirit of the MA constitution as intended by John Adams, the man who wrote it. The slaves of that state who helped institute that fraud, including the same socialist member of the DSA who went on to help Obama craft ObamaCare, claim rights and absolute powers of the government that are simply not mentioned in their own state constitution. That is why Mittens defined the mandate as a tax, and not a mandate. He had the same problem Obama did on the national level.
And as for whenever Mittens claims that RomneyCare “worked.” That also is a lie. RomneyCare does NOT insure everyone, and, in fact, I don’t believe there was even a change in the stats before and after it went into effect. In fact, nothing actually changed with RomneyCare. Prices continued to go up, money continued to be spent. The only difference is that the government now had more power over the lives of the people. Even Bill O’Reilly pointed that out, and Mittens reply was “Well, they were HIGH before.” Mitt Romney is a pathological liar and doesn’t even understand what the problem is of his own law, and won’t even be honest about its failure. Instead, each time he opens his mouth on this, he paints it as the greatest thing ever. He is a liar.
But he doesn’t believe the federal government has authority to enforce or collect money for such a plan, right? Romney supporters, please chime in on his understanding of Art I Sec 8.
This jackwagon is depending on a whole bunch of folks who are swallowing REAL HARD before pulling the lever for him for no other reason than too end the rein of Il Duce.The LAST thing he needs to be doing at this point is rubbing THIS crap in our faces. This is a tenuous "alliance", at best.
He's the nominee. Don't you want to know what he is really thinking?
Do you want him to pretend he is someone he isn't? Do you want him to actually pretend he is not a homosexualist, abortion loving, gun grabbing socialist?
You want to bury your head in the sand and pretend he's going to be another Ronald Reagan?
No, I say, tell it like it is Mittens. Tell us who you really are.
So you're cool if Bernie Sanders becomes governor of Vermont and changes them over to communism? And if he wants to run for President as a Republican and advocate every state do the same thing, you're cool with that too?
States’ rights don’t trump stupidity and evil.
OBAMACARE vs. ROMNEYCARE
Advantages and Disadvantages and How Can Unfunded Mandates be Funded?
While the controversy about Paul Ryan’s Ayn Rand sentiments are made much of in the media, what counts is what Rand has actually advised, and these are filtered through AGB100’s clear lenses:
Ayn Rand asked: What is Important?
Her Answer: REALITY.
Meaning, that is what is not real - for example false, misleading and politically-agenda-driven information - is NOT real and therefore unimportant.
AGB100 often says:
Everything is so....Unless it isn’t.
There’s NOTHING common about COMMON SENSE.
Former PM of the U.K. Winston Churchill said:
It’s not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what’s required.
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
Ergo, we shall look at the RESULTS and facts behind ObamaCare and RomneyCare - the the history of US policy regarding MEDICARE and SOCIAL SECURITY - both of which are going broke and both of which are unfunded (meaning there is no funding upcoming for them.)
“The main REASON Medicare has a shortfall is that Obama took $700+ billion FROM Medicare to fund Obamacare. The fact is, no matter what, no one over 55 with get a cut in services. If Medicare is not reformed, there will be no Medicare for people UNDER 55 - no matter what.”
“Most of the world’s advanced nations have privatized, even Russia where the workers CHOSE to privatize. Australia, the UK and many other western nations have long ago privatized.
Actuarial stats prove that part public and part private pension plans (the best we can hope for in the US) produce easily TWICE the net returns that purely publicly-funded plans produce. In other words, you’d be receiving twice the money you are receiving today.
Moreover, you have NO security for either medical or social security. Forget the word SECURITY.
The reason is that YOU DON’T OWN THE MONEY IN THE MEDICAL OR SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUNDS.
The Democrats not only rid the “TRUST” in the fund’s provisions and its funding, they had taken the money out....and placed it into GENERAL REVENUE. And then they TAXED your social security payouts.
THAT, is the reason why BOTH Democratic pet government programs are broke. They had put the pets up for adoption and had abandoned them.
In two rulings by the high courts, one Helvering and Nestor, it was deemed that you do not OWN the money you had placed into Social Security, but the GOVERNMENT does. In short, Social Security went from a trust savings and insurance account that was intended to protect you, to a payout from general funds which BY LAW government is not obligated to pay out.
Those laws were passed by Democrats and OPPOSED by Republicans.
And then, as stated earlier, to finalize the insult upon injury and rub salt into the festering wound they had created, the Democrats TAXED your social security payments!
KellyJay at AllVoices blogs:
KellyJaye | about 1 hour ago
Let’s all start on the same page: http://paulryan.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pathtoprosperity2013.pdf
Also, reflect upon the fact that the current Medicare system is already on course for technical bankruptcy. As the latest Trustees Report notes: “The HI [Medicare] fund again fails the test of short-range financial adequacy, as projected assets are already below one year’s projected expenditures and are expected to continue declining . . . The HI 75-year actuarial imbalance amounts to 36 percent of tax receipts or 26 percent of program cost.”
For workers currently under the age of 55*, beginning in 2023, retirees could choose to continue with traditional fee-for-service Medicare as it now exists OR they could choose to accept a premium support and shop for health insurance on their own.
Plans would have to cover at least the actuarial equivalent of traditional Medicare and seniors who choose a cheaper plan would be eligible for a rebate. Seniors selecting a costlier plan would be responsible for the extra burden.
Premium support would be amended for the sickest seniors and premium support would be means-tested so the poorest or sickest seniors could still access a private health insurance plan if they so choose.
*Again, the Ryan plan DOES NOT AFFECT THOSE 55 AND OLDER - everything remains the same for this age group.
Obamacare’s Medicare Value-Based purchasing program pays hospitals differently based on federal quality measures. This could lead to hospitals treating patients with the best value in Medicare reimbursement rather than the most effective treatment.
Expanding Medicaid and cutting provider payments for Medicare providers will lead to shortages of doctors and much longer waits for health care. In Boston, under the near universal Romneycare, for example, the average wait to see a primary care physician is two months while the rest of the country’s average wait is about three weeks.
Many doctors, over-worked from administering all the new “free” Obamacare mandates, will decide to enter so-called “concierge” medical services.
A patient would pay a yearly retainer in exchange for a doctor having a much smaller patient list and more access to the doctor for advice and medical visits. A typical family doctor currently sees 2,500 patients but by moving to concierge services, that doctor would now only take on about 500 — leaving 2,000 patients to find a new doctor.
Finally, Obamacare guts the popular Medicare Advantage program, where seniors can choose a health insurance policy that better fits their needs than the traditional Medicare plan does.
Other articles you may want to read:
Health Insurance Ruling Wont Make Coverage Cheaper For Most Americans, The Huffington Post, 6/28/12
Jeffrey Young, Health Care Costs Rise Nearly 6 Percent Nationwide: Report, The Huffington Post, 4/20/12
National Health Expenditure Projections: Modest Annual Growth Until Coverage Expands And Economic Growth Accelerates, Health Affairs, no. (2012)
Robert Pear, Ambiguity In Health Law Could Make Family Coverage Too Costly For Many, The New York Times, 8/11/12
LASTLY friends, Romney’s Tax Returns have nothing to do with it UNTILL Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi release their last three years for the tens of millions they had made through insider trading. Besides, Romney HAS released his last two years, including the fact known nationwide: The Romneys have given tens of millions to charitable causes and had created jobs across the nation. Meanwhile, Nevada and California, Harry Reid’s and Nancy Pelosi’s states, are broke, have the highest foreclosures in the nation and the highest unemployment in the nation. And Harry and Nancy tell us we shoudl be more concerned about how Romney spends his money than how Obama spends yours. THERE IS NOTHING COMMON ABOUT COMMON SENSE.
It seems that if I decline to flush my self-respect down the crapper on 11/6, I'm casting a vote for The Kenyan.
Having been shamed into voting for this RINO jackass, I'd just prefer not to be reminded of what he really is.
Scorpions have a nature, don’t they?
Sheesh. Not this crap again. Give it a rest, Romney.
Oops, meant to post this article here: http://www.whoromneyis.com/Issues/RomneyCareObamaCare.html
BASED ON ENTIRELY CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES, and lauded by conservatives. Conservatives Sowed Idea Of Health Care Mandate - how soon they forget! (Applauded by Conservatives for use of conservative principles and innovation achieving a greater good for the uninsured.)
NOT A GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. Romney insisted on it being free market.
Only a COST SHARING requirement for “free riders”, to prevent state from taxpayers paying for those who could afford health insurance.
Romney vetoed Democratic legislature’s fee for businesses
The 85% Democratic legislature did slip in some items, which Romney vetoed but they overrode.
NO NEW TAXES (Vs. ObamaCare of 3.8% additional taxes, plus lots of fees) Romney insisted on that.
Low Complexity: Massachusetts bill: 70 pages. ObamaCare: 2700 pages
LANDMARK ACHIEVEMENT, supported by those on the left and the right.
ObamaCare is completely different, an extreme, borrowing only a few basics. See RCare compared to OCare.
I think that it would be best to look at RCare compared to OCare and the individual mandate, if you want to quickly understand what actually happened. And figure out if there really was an “individual mandate” or what really went on.
Why the bill had to be done
A bill was going to be passed anyway, so Romney gathered together experts, who proposed innovative
ideas to improve a bill that was going to be passed anyway. They did the best they could against an
85% Democratic legislature
Uninsured residents were not covered, which had a high cost to it
$395 million in federal funds - Required to be restructured to go to individuals rather than institution.
Romney only one of all states to request to keep saved funds of $580 million
Coverage very high
98.1 percent of state residents
99.8 percent of children; 99.6 percent of seniors
Easy overview: Just go to RCare compared to OCare and the individual mandate. This should be sufficient for most people to see that Romney just proposed “cost sharing” and did a few big rescues.
Romney is angling for the disaffected liberal vote.
You don't need to sacrifice your principles to vote for him because he doesn't give a damn if the 10% or less of us principled conservatives vote for him.
His plan is to garner enough liberal, independent and RINO votes so that he is not beholden to any conservative principles that he does not share.
It is sad that you are so eager to chuck your principles to vote for a man who has none.
I find it interesting that (according to your tagline) you are asking for God to help you to vote for Romney? You are asking God to assist you in chucking your principles? You really want Him to answer that prayer? Really? God help you?
It is just Romney being Romney. You expected something different?
Jim, you really need to reconsider your recent reconsideration. :>)
I know. Statism is the first place he goes. Always.
"I held back from saying a lot of names I have been called in the past six weeks (it wasn't pretty). Fortunately, I had my epiphany much earlier. I had the pleasure of meeting Breitbart at a conference just before he died. He convinced me then, when Newt and Santorum were neck and neck with Romney (I really, really did not want Romney to win the nomination). He said: "Work like hell for the candidate you want, but when it's done, we all have to circle the wagons for who wins, because not to do so will be to rubber stamp and be responsible for the evil of the present administration."
I thought about it, and discovered I reluctantly agreed with him. I worked for Newt, hoped Santorum would pull it out after that, and once it was over, went and sulked, but never forgot who is the real enemy.
Now let's pull this together and eviscerate the Marxist creep in the White Hut!!!"
(Well said, David.)
“BASED ON ENTIRELY CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES, “
Based entirely on propaganda. RomneyCare has worked out so well for MA that they now impose price controls on their “free market” healthcare providers. I’ll also add that this “conservative” plan is subsidized. Over half of those “uninsured” people who signed up for RomneyCare get it entirely for free. Mittens entire point of the mandate was for “no more free riders.” So now the free riders get it legit. Meanwhile, prices continue to go up on those who aren’t free riders, in order to insure the legit free riders in the first place.
We lost this election for the presidency long ago, but we need to try to salvage the rest. Tea party sweep in November!! Vote the dirty rat bastards out!! All of them!!
True. And his 2nd stop is homosexualism. I have no idea the attraction that has to him, but about every month he likes to give the world a little more insight into his affinity for the gay agenda.
Who is paying for it Romney and what level care do they get? Why don’t you talk about what Obamacare really is. It’s not healthcare. I believe Obamacare was modeled after Hillary;s secret healthcare. Romneycare probably fits somewhere in between and will he take down a lot of it or all?
I am sick of politicians skirting the issues which are nothing but lies.
I’m still hoping and praying for a miracle at the convention and Newt or Sarah or Rick somehow can wrestle the nomination from Romney.
I had toyed with the idea of voting for Ryan, but if Romney is correct that Ryan now believes in abortion exceptions for rape and incest, then Ryan has been compromised and neither of them are worthy of my vote.
I do live in California, so it isn’t going to matter anyway, but it is the principle of the thing.
Eager, no. But, hey, that seems to be "the FReeper way", doesn't it? I don't know which is worse: shunning principle or casting a "vote" for Obama by NOT voting for Romney.
I thought about that too....writing in Ryan. A slightly compromised Ryan is still lightyears ahead of liberal Mitt.
How would the pregnant chad floridians have counted that one? LOL.
This was the last bastion of the rebellion against Romney. Many have given into the temptation to replace a black homosexualist, abortion loving, gun grabbing socialist for a white one. Not me.
Romney's only redeeming quality is that he is not Obama. Well, I'm not Obama either. Why don't you write me in on your ballot.
What you might do is just draw a line through Romney's name and then check the R box. It will be rejected by the voting machine but it would likely be counted as a Romney vote when it is hand counted 3 months after the election has been certified.
FWIW, I chucked my principles to vote for Schwarzenegger in hopes of saving California from fiscal suicide.
How’d that work out?
My theory revolves around the LDS Temple Ritual.
It’s like Godfather III - just when you think you’re out, they pull you back in!
We’ve got one of those new-fangled, touch-screen voting gizmos. There’s a write-in button, but I’ve never tried it yet.
Definitely will this year.
Just to be honest, Goode has sort of disappeared from the universe. Maybe he’s just focused on getting on ballots. He’s obviously a money-poor candidate, so his best bet for coverage is to set himself on fire in front of the Vietnamese Embassy, but that would curtail his campaign, too.
It’s an unwelcome dilemma, but at least he’s on the ballot here in Ohio.
Depending on what it looks like in November, I might just write in Ryan.
words of advice: forget romneycare. its a big skeleton in your closet. close the door again, and keep it closed!
Dumb like a fox.
Romney was the only Republican running with the credible record to show independents he was serious about expanding healthcare coverage and assuage their fears over "repeal and replace" of ObamaCare.
Having claimed to model ObamaCare after his state plan, Democrats can't attack him on this critical issue (it's 2nd or 3rd in polling data of election issues) while he can attack them for "doing it wrong."
I live in Massachusetts. Here’s what I know about Romneycare. My neighbor is in his late 50s & lost his job. He found something part-time without health benifits. Romneycare REQUIRES that you have health insurance....so this guy applied for something called Mass-care which is part of Romneycare,
Because of his low wages he pays about $107 a month for full medical, dental & drug plan ! I on the other hand work, and am paying about $600 a month with a work related health plan.
My neighbor has decided to stop looking for full time work cause he loves this situation. He’s going to coast on Romneycare until he’s 62 & then take his SS. I’m not happy about this. No taxpayer should be.
It is so hard to imagine getting your stuff washed at church, but there are some weird rituals out there.
My brother is a big Mason-type. I never joined. In any case, he was getting promoted to Head Water Buffalo one year, and he invited me to the ceremony.
I sat there amused the entire time. It was SOOOO corny....hats, bows, deferential titles. Just corny.
Give me a church service any day of the week. At least our ritual and tradition makes sense. (And we don’t do junk washings.)
People, E, Comedy Central, Letterman, Leno, and SNL...where America gets its news.
Part of me feels for them, though, because the alphabet news talking heads are universally believed to be rank partisans, and they are universally boring.
So, if you’re gonna listen to a rank partisan, anyway, it might as well be entertaining.
Romney said the only difference between his plan and Hillary’s is “Mine got passed.”
Hmmm. Guess we have to take his word for it since the public never saw hers.
He can’t help himself. It’s who he is.
It was the same with McCain. He couldn’t help himself either, because that was who he was.
Romney will never see anything wrong with his vision of how things should run.
We have every right to criticize him for doing things that are wrong, but it’s the primary process that should be blamed here.
Now we’re stuck with this pig in a poke.
Should we really be blaming him for being who he is. Well yes, but more importantly we should be blaming our fellow Republicans and a process so flawed that this guy could even come close to being nominated as our champion.
We’ve got some work to do, and at this point Romney is water under the bridge.
Get ready, because this is something you’re going to be saying over and over and over again, for the next four or eight years.
“Sheesh. Not this crap again. Give it a rest, Romney.”
And by the way, dittos!!!!
Mr. RomneyCARE is as evil as Obama by
installing DEATH CARE for all America.
Thanks for the injection of Constitutional sanity.
I also noticed folks missing the point when Romney made the statement on Gays in the Boy Scouts - He said he SUPPORTED the Boy Scouts right to choose how to run itself and BELIEVED that anyone should be able to be a Boy Scout. All the Romney-makes-me-go-apesh.. folks focused on the "believe" statment and totally missed the important statement that preceded it. I'd rather have someone who believed something I didn't like, but instead of pushing it down my throat, would accede to the rights and liberties laid out in the Constitution.
That's exactly right, and even worse than that, they've been running around in mobs attacking those of us who won't drink the "ABO" hemlock and support Romney and the corrupt, decrepit GOP-E.
Call me a hard case, but Romney will NOT be getting my vote in November.
And that's based on his record of lying, double-dealing, double-talking, and generally doing anything and saying anything to get elected and push his statist agenda.
Romney enabled Obamacare and is proud of it. He can't contain himself.
Unfortunately, Romney’s touting state-level Obamacare (AKA Romneycare) as part of his platform. This is from the healthcare page on his website:
“Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment”
Ain’t that the gospel truth. We know who Romney is but what is most important ..we know that he is not a conservative. I am fed up with the republican party. Romney is a liberal on social issues and he is responsible for introducing socialized medicine to the USA not just Mass but the USA.
Now we know what he is going to replace it with. How do you pay for it mitt? Your State that implemented romneycare hasn't been able to pay for it... they just write checks for which no funds exist as payment.How is that any different from what obama has been doing mitt? Granted it is on a smaller scale but you are talking about taking romneycare Nationwide? How are you going to pay for it mitt?
What about the individual? While the Constitution does delegate some powers to the state, the gist of it is protecting the individual against the collective. Are we for Obamacare now just as long as it is legislated by states and not the fed?