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Ohio doctor helps perpetuate rape pregnancy ideas
Sacramento Bee ^ | August 24, 2012 | JULIE CARR SMYTH

Posted on 08/25/2012 3:23:52 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The discredited notion that a woman's body can resist conception in a sexual assault has persisted in anti-abortion circles for decades, largely because of the efforts of a Cincinnati obstetrician who is considered a godfather of the movement.

Dr. John C. "Jack" Willke founded the National Right to Life Committee and wrote the influential 1971 "Handbook on Abortion," which has shaped the thinking of generations of anti-abortion activists.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012electionbias; abortion; atkin; drjohncwillke; jackwillke; pravdamedia; rape; raperape; romneyryan2012

1 posted on 08/25/2012 3:24:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The bigger problem with a rape exception is that it is falsely reported more often than not and that rape now includes anything including the woman waking up and deciding “I didn’t really want to do this” after the fact.

Glenn Beck quoted a study where “rape” resulted in 2x the number of pregnancies but I think that study included self reported “rape” which includes scared girls making an excuse for an existing pregnancy..

FWIW I’m not a medical doctor but based on other mammals in stressful situations (zoos?) I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if it wasn’t proven at some later time that high stress does greatly reduce fertility.


2 posted on 08/25/2012 4:02:46 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer
It is already a fact that stress lowers fertility.

Why would anti-abortionists would make an issue out of the low incidence of pregnancy due to rape, it is irrelevant to the question of abortion.

4 posted on 08/25/2012 4:13:16 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Simple cognitive dissonance or outright propagandizing?

From the article:

The discredited notion that a woman's body can resist conception in a sexual assault has persisted in anti-abortion circles for decades, largely because of the efforts of a Cincinnati obstetrician who is considered a godfather of the movement.”

Dr. John C. “Jack” Willke founded the National Right to Life Committee and wrote the influential 1971 “Handbook on Abortion,” which has shaped the thinking of generations of anti-abortion activists.”
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Anti-abortion activist Janet Folger Porter has Willke’s handbook in her reference library. She said it's popular worldwide because it isn't filled with emotional arguments and religious dogma, but hard facts.

It's spelled out in Q-and-A form,” she said. “The whole thing is not Dr. Willke’s opinion or dissertation on the issue. It's independent studies, all of them cited, by issue.”

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Akin is a moral man who, as none of us are, is not perfect. Anyone who claims that anyone of our government is better qualified to represent us with integrity is either on the wrong side or evaluating with the wrong criteria.

The left, including the gop-e and those fearful of being judged based on political correctness are reacting as if embroiled in lynch-mob mentality. They're failing to use their minds to review the truth and context... or they have their own "means to an end".

Shame.

5 posted on 08/25/2012 4:18:48 AM PDT by plsjr (<>< ... HIS will be done! (choose a "lesser evil"? NEVER AGAIN))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The authors asserted that a douche, vaginal scraping and medications administered quickly after a rape "invariably" prevents pregnancy.

I wonder what medications he was referring to, and whether some people would have a problem with their use. Of course this was in 1971.

Maybe it's a sign of the financial status of the Sacramento Bee that they're asking website readers to "Live chat with intuitive and gifted psychics".

6 posted on 08/25/2012 4:23:12 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Neidermeyer
The bigger problem with a rape exception is that it is falsely reported more often than not and that rape now includes anything including the woman waking up and deciding “I didn’t really want to do this” after the fact.
Yes! True! The following comes from a man who agrees with you. Whole post is a good read, btw:
But in addition, there are two practical political reasons why not to allow these exceptions:

First, if only a rape or incest claim will get someone an abortion, then lots of people who didn’t get pregnant that way will claim that they did, to qualify for the loophole. The desire of some to get a legal abortion will lead them to tie up the criminal justice system with nonexistent accusations borne of fear and desperation if not malice, and the abortions will occur anyway, just at greater cost.

Second, if we allow these exceptions, we are violating one of the great tenets of jurisprudence: Hard cases make bad law. If something is an extreme rarity, then it should not drive our policy. It’s an imperfect world; if you insist on perfection, you’ll fall farther from the mark than if you had accepted the reasonable. And we know that pregnancies resulting from rape or incest are an incredibly small minority of pregnancies. Except as a political football, the question of allowing abortion as a consequence of rape is simply too small a statistic – a sad, even tragic statistic, yes, but still too small a statistic – to justifiably drive the conversation. --John F. Di Leo

7 posted on 08/25/2012 4:24:53 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: fortheDeclaration
>"“has no control over ovulation, fertilization or implantation of a fertilized egg."

Nor adrenal production, nor any other stress induced physical reactions.


It is an empirically non provable statement either way.

8 posted on 08/25/2012 4:30:09 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a Barack 0b0tt0my!)
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9 posted on 08/25/2012 4:40:20 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Neidermeyer

How about the fact rape is an under reported crime? You say falsely but the other side of the equation is the stigma and embarrassment attached to it. Many rapes are never reported.


10 posted on 08/25/2012 4:41:43 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I work with aguy that believes rape victims that get pregnant, subconciously wanted and enjoyed it!!


11 posted on 08/25/2012 4:45:36 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: wideminded

American indians used to use a concoction made from mayapple root to cause abortion and to deal with skin cancers and genital warts. It works but is not without risk to the user. Too much, the user dies along with the fetus; too little and the user get a child but with birth defects; and it can cause halucinations, stupor, etc. Early settlers used it as well, and it is still collected today for the pharmaceutical industry for skin cancer treatments.


12 posted on 08/25/2012 4:52:14 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: wideminded
I wonder what medications he was referring to, and whether some people would have a problem with their use. Of course this was in 1971.
I would think some would have an issue with the "medications" he suggests (possibly they are herbs or essential oils or stronger; we are distributors of Young Living's oils, and they have cautions on a few of them that they are not to be taken by a pregnant woman as they can induce labor), and the only "vaginal scraping" I know of is a D&C, which IS an abortion, or the removal of contents from a miscarriage. Link
13 posted on 08/25/2012 5:03:47 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Another Quack thesis.


14 posted on 08/25/2012 5:36:41 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave; P-Marlowe; SoConPubbie; cripplecreek

This is exactly why Akin said what he said, and he should not be pilloried for his comments the brutal way that he has been.

So far as the word “legitimate”, it has 5 meanings which are recorded in Webster, and one of them is “actual”. That is the one he meant. He was distinguishing violent rape with statutory rape, false reports of rape (didn’t happen), and false reports of rape that were actually consentual but reinterpreted, for example, to prevent parental anger.

The Duke LaCrosse case is one example of the above that he was trying to distinguish.

In many ways, the word legitimate was a weak word choice, but in other ways it was fine, IF you were tracking with him and understood what he was thinking.


15 posted on 08/25/2012 5:47:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Neidermeyer
FWIW I’m not a medical doctor but based on other mammals in stressful situations (zoos?) I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if it wasn’t proven at some later time that high stress does greatly reduce fertility.

It is standard medical practice for physicians to strongly advise women who are trying to conceive to avoid high levels of stress. It is well documented that traumatic events can trigger miscarriages. So the science is there.

16 posted on 08/25/2012 5:54:18 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yup, right on queue. Akin has delivered the liberal media a narrative they can use against pro-lifers and the larger conservative movement. Nice going guys, gg


17 posted on 08/25/2012 6:04:12 AM PDT by FurryRepublic
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To: xzins; Las Vegas Dave; P-Marlowe; SoConPubbie; cripplecreek

Hemingway was a subscriber to the theory that a writer should never use a ten letter word (legitimate) when a five or six letter word (actual) conveys the same meaning.

Akin violated that rule. I didn’t know that the penalty for such a violation was death.


18 posted on 08/25/2012 6:07:47 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: xzins

Words vs action.

Its real nice that the GOP is waving the pro life banner but the fact is that they’re moving toward a more pro choice stance.

All the attention and fire directed at Akin and virtually no mention of Scott Brown’s announcement of his pro “choice” stance. Its a little hard to swallow that the GOP is pro life when they’ve made such a clear move toward abortion.


19 posted on 08/25/2012 6:08:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; Las Vegas Dave; SoConPubbie; cripplecreek

Have any of you noticed that the loudest, most obnoxious of the supporters of Mitt Romney here on FreeRepublic are also the loudest and most frequent supporters to deep-six Akin?

Have you also noticed the pattern that the loudest and most obnoxious of Mitt Romney supporters are also the most moderate of so called conservatives here on FreeRepublic? Either having no problem at all with Mitt Romney’s support of the Gay Agenda or having no problem with Abortion in some way?

Seems we have an infestation of CINOs going on around here.


20 posted on 08/25/2012 6:24:19 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Neidermeyer

I’m not convinced comparing women rape victims to zoo animals will help get rid of Akincare.


21 posted on 08/25/2012 6:33:45 AM PDT by soycd
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To: SoConPubbie

A lot of them are Noobs. I’d never thought I’d see the day when Christians are ridiculed at FR like they are at the DU.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2922404/posts


22 posted on 08/25/2012 6:34:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SoConPubbie; P-Marlowe; xzins; Las Vegas Dave; cripplecreek; Jim Robinson

I think something psychological happened to ABOs when they finally decided to support Romney. (Allowing that some of them always were secret Mitt-bots.)

I think they discovered that it was easier to go with the cultural flow and become new-age republicans along with Coulter, Andrew Sullivan, et al. They could then argue for fiscal responsibility and jettison social issues under a libertarian premise of “every man do what he wants.”

The terrible thing about that is the clear indication that cultural strength leads to financial strength leads to military strength.

They are contributing to the undermining of the USA, and the result will be a socialism that MUST lead to a dictatorship, because a nation of government dependents ARE serfs who don’t work.

The powers that be must recognize at some point that they can’t have that. They will then acquire special powers that enable them to force work out of the serfs, and then they will both the bosses and the rulers.

It is inevitable.


23 posted on 08/25/2012 6:34:17 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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24 posted on 08/25/2012 6:39:10 AM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: SoConPubbie
Seems we have an infestation of CINOs going on around here.

VERY TRUE!!!

25 posted on 08/25/2012 6:41:26 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: mlizzy

> there are two practical political reasons why not to allow these exceptions:

And there is ONE imperative reason to not even whisper that you would even consider removing these exceptions:

Because you would destroy you and your party’s chance of EVER being elected.


26 posted on 08/25/2012 6:59:42 AM PDT by soycd
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To: mlizzy
the only "vaginal scraping" I know of is a D&C, which IS an abortion

Didn't want to consult your link, but technically I think a D&C is uterine scraping.

27 posted on 08/25/2012 7:02:26 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded

Yes, you are correct! I’ve never heard of a “vaginal scraping” before.. so maybe they used the wrong word.


28 posted on 08/25/2012 7:16:57 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: SoConPubbie; xzins; Las Vegas Dave; cripplecreek
Seems we have an infestation of CINOs going on around here.

The fact that many here claim to be Christians but are more interested in monetary policy than protecting life and maintaining traditional family values tells me that the "C" stands for Christian.

When Americans are more concerned for the wallets than the relationship of America to the creator, then we will follow the path of all nations who abandoned God for Mammon.

For too many this is ONLY about issues like Obamacare and taxes and saving their material investments. They are not too concerned about saving their souls or whether America is under God's grace.

America, America God shed His Grace on Thee.

Why should he?

29 posted on 08/25/2012 7:57:58 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It may be “discredited” but it is effectively true. The body doesn’t “fight it off” but unless ovulation has occurred just prior to a forcible rape, the extreme tension in the victim shuts down the process and ovulation is considerably delayed.
Pregnancy as a result of traumatic rape is much less likely than pregnancy resulting from consensual sex.


30 posted on 08/25/2012 7:58:32 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: P-Marlowe

Pure and simple, Akin was supported throughout the primary by Claire McCaskill, she was constantly running ads pimping Akin. There were a lot of Democrat cross over voting. Obamacare is a big deal for me, bBECAUSE of the abortion funding in it. The main 3 republican candidates had double digit leads over Claire, but Akin’s margin was the smallest. Since his comments, he has lost over 20 points, and Claire is up by 10 points. I refuse to stand behind a guy who is obiviously not able to articulate a simple thing such as “I don’t support abortion under any circumstances.”
Bottom line for me is this, Akin is toast, at least here ihn my area of Missouri (very rural, google Edina and Hurdland if you want to know). I would rather have a candidate that has a chance of taking down Claire than go down in flames defending a moron who is losing a can’t lose race.


31 posted on 08/25/2012 8:28:02 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: arthurus

The absolute fact that everyone is failing to report in this whole debate is the number of abortions that occur due to rape. Isn’t that what the whole argument is about? whether a woman should be allowed to get an abortion if she gets pregnant after a rape? Shouldn’t we be able to determine from abortion statistics how frequently women get an abortion citing rape as the reason? Look it up. Rape accounts for.5 to1% of all abortions. Rare enough?


32 posted on 08/25/2012 8:34:49 AM PDT by erkyl (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office --Aesop (~550 BC))
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To: mlizzy

Maybe the idea of vaginal scraping is to remove semen from the vagina, as a douche would do also.

The problem isn’t the semen, it’s the sperm. If the woman is in her fertile phase, they will swim through the cevical mucus and into the uterus within minutes, leaving the seminal fluid behind.

By the time a woman can seek medical attention, it’s too late. Willke was off-base then, and his beliefs are shaped by his passionate opposition to abortion.


33 posted on 08/25/2012 9:22:39 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: erkyl

Another statistic I saw a few years ago is that the ration of women who were raped and prefer to keep their babies is high. That attitude causes a number of forced abortions as it is the families, boyfriends/etc. who demand that the rape victim abort. The attitude of a fair percentage of the victims is that they must not commit a second evil act to avenge the first.


34 posted on 08/25/2012 10:05:52 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: erkyl

Another statistic I saw a few years ago is that the ratio of women who were raped and prefer to keep their babies is high. That attitude causes a number of forced abortions as it is the families, boyfriends/etc. who demand that the rape victim abort. The attitude of a fair percentage of the victims is that they must not commit a second evil act to avenge the first.


35 posted on 08/25/2012 10:06:14 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: Neidermeyer

oral and anal sodomy do not result in pregnancy.

There are all sorts of sexual assault that are “rape”.

Statutory rape is criminal but often consensual (with one or both parties being unable to legally provide consent).

Coital rape is a subset of all rape. Perhaps that is what he meant by “legitimate rape”.

Whoopi Goldberg didn’t get half the flak from Feminazis when she went on ABC television and said that Roman Polanski wasn’t guilty of “rape rape” when he drugged and sodomized a 13 year old girl. Obviously this was a good enough argument for Barack Obama as his administration let Roman Polanski walk.

The Democrat war on women continues.


36 posted on 08/25/2012 12:18:44 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Only Obama put a dog on the roof of his mouth. Dogs are friends, not food.)
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To: mlizzy

Incest is either rape or consensual (two adults, two minors...).

When the Left says things like homosexuality is about consenting adults in private and then cut loose pervert Democrat politicians who received oral sex from persons under 18 at a roadside rest stop it isn’t about ADULTS or PRIVATE. Neither is indoctrinating kindergarteners in the notion of same sex “partner” relationships and fifth graders in the notion of oral and anal sex. Instructing CHILDREN in PUBLIC schools.

They claim that abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare” but have no moral argument for why it should be “rare” since it isn’t a life and protect Planned Parenthood which despite the legality of abortion continues to botch abortions (sometimes fatally) and practice unlicensed work. Planned Parenthood also coerces minors to lie about the nature of their pregnancy so the criminal investigators never get involved in statutory rape (and prostitution) cases. So much for legal.

So when the term “rape and incest” is tossed out there, I question it as well. Sounds good, but basically it comes down to rape. Everything else is consensual (with an ick factor).


37 posted on 08/25/2012 12:28:33 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Only Obama put a dog on the roof of his mouth. Dogs are friends, not food.)
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