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Missouri law includes vegetables in definition of garbage feeding
Missourian ^ | July 21, 2011 | Ellen Thommesen

Posted on 08/25/2012 4:58:58 AM PDT by expat1000

COLUMBIA — When Eric and Joanna Reuter of Chert Hollow Farm, 12 miles north of Columbia, decided they wanted to raise and sell pigs this spring, they checked out Missouri laws on feeding.

What they discovered surprised them: It is illegal to feed vegetables to pigs if the animals are going to be sold to consumers in Missouri.

(Excerpt) Read more at columbiamissourian.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: amish; oldlaw; pigfood; pigs; vegetables
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1 posted on 08/25/2012 4:59:05 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: expat1000

I am surprised that there is a Missouri Law about anything.


2 posted on 08/25/2012 5:12:59 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: expat1000

It’s gone too far. Government is the greatest threat we face.


3 posted on 08/25/2012 5:20:36 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: expat1000
Eric Reuter said the two government veterinarians agreed with him that there was no risk.

"Animals raised for commercial sale and introduction into the food system would typically be fed rations including corn, oats, barley and soybean meal," the statement read.
I'm imagining this would be GMO corn, oats, barley and soybean meal. Just more government control that is unhealthy for us. On a side note, I had some extra steamed-only patty-pan squash and since it doesn't keep, I gave it to our two dogs for the heck of it, and they LOVED it...
4 posted on 08/25/2012 5:20:59 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: expat1000
It is illegal to feed vegetables to pigs if the animals are going to be sold to consumers in Missouri.

Good grief! Pigs are walking garbage disposals.

As long as you're not feeding them toxic waste, what bloody difference does it make?

5 posted on 08/25/2012 5:30:38 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: freedomfiter2
It’s gone too far. Government is the greatest threat we face.
Indeed! Feds succeed in destroying entire business of Amish raw milk farmer
6 posted on 08/25/2012 5:36:38 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: expat1000

Much better to feed them Twinkies.


7 posted on 08/25/2012 5:42:47 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: MamaTexan

“The Missouri statute that includes vegetables in the definition of garbage originated in 1959 after an outbreak of vesicular exanthema in swine across the country. The law was written to prevent the spread of the disease, which was eradicated in the U.S. in 1959, according to the Merck Veterinary Manual.”

In other words, the law was written to prevent the feeding of ‘toxic waste’ as you put it.


8 posted on 08/25/2012 5:44:35 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: mlizzy

I’ve always given my dogs small amounts of vegetables from time to time (most raw) - they love slices of carrots even more than commercial dog treats, as well as bits of fruit (oranges are the favorite).


9 posted on 08/25/2012 5:52:19 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: freedomfiter2

Possibly.

However, it should be pointed out that this is from a law passed in 1959, not some recent expansion of government power.

Also this is a state not federal law. Remember federalism?


10 posted on 08/25/2012 5:54:41 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

However, it should be pointed out that this is from a law passed in 1959, not some recent expansion of government power.

It’s probably not the law that has changed, it’s the interpretation. Feeding garbage in general is not the same as feeding vegetables.


11 posted on 08/25/2012 6:03:14 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
The Missouri statute that includes vegetables in the definition of garbage originated in 1959 after an outbreak of vesicular exanthema in swine across the country. The law was written to prevent the spread of the disease, which was eradicated in the U.S. in 1959, according to the Merck Veterinary Manual.”

LOL! That makes no sense. It was eradicated in the US in 1959...so in the same year, Missouri wrote a statute changing the definition of 'garbage'?

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Anyway, I had to look up 'vesicular exanthema '.

From Wiki:
It was eventually stamped out in 1956 by a major slaughter policy combined with a ban on feeding uncooked garbage to pigs.

So the US ban is uncooked garbage, not vegetables, period.

Sorry. I still don't consider vegetables 'toxic waste'. IMHO, the farmers of Missouri are getting screwed out of their cash because the State is forcing them to spend their hard earned money to unnecessarily purchase 'approved' feed for their livestock.

Let them follow the ban, boil the veggies and feed the dang pigs!

12 posted on 08/25/2012 6:24:15 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: expat1000
I'm sure there are no campaign contributions coming in from commercial feed producers!!!sarc/on
13 posted on 08/25/2012 6:27:40 AM PDT by ontap
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To: MamaTexan

I’ve raised and fed out over 250,000 pigs, so I know a little what I’m talking about.

We fed a lot of ‘unusual’ feeds, from gummy worms and snickers bars to steep water left over from the making of corn based sweeteners. Everything was scientifically sound, and safe.

When farmers have tens, or hundreds of millions invested in production facilities and livestock, they don’t want some little cheapskate getting front page news because he cut corners and released a bunch of dangerous food on the trusting public. We paid for the track record of safe foods out of our own pockets.

Unfair? Maybe, but all he has to do is get bigger, have his entire livelihood on the line, and then others in power will begin to take him seriously.

And by then he’ll realize what nonsense this idea of his is.


14 posted on 08/25/2012 6:43:39 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: Balding_Eagle

So the idea is that you can still feed a pig anything as long as it comes from an approved supplier ?


15 posted on 08/25/2012 6:56:12 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: MamaTexan

Hey, I’m a libertarian, but I hate to spoil your party. Sometimes the experts do know that they are talking about. It could well be that this is simply a sound policy that pervents epidemics whose current temporary absence is one of the miracles of modern life that we all-too-easily take for granted.

One of the traits of CONSERVATIVES is that we not inclined to monkey around with things that we do not fully understand.

The couple who were “shocked” to learn that it is illegal to sell vetables to commercial swine, may have been spared the ordeal of knowing they were responsible for a minor epidemic.

OTOH, this law, like a great many others, may have been an over reaction, using a sledgehammer to kill a gnat, and destroying the kitchen table and the china along with it. I don’t know, and I suspect you don’t either. I do know that needless suffering, disease and anxiety has been caused by ignorance and misinformation about childhool vaccinations, misinformation that was spread either by ignorance, or actual malice.


16 posted on 08/25/2012 6:57:34 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: PLMerite

There are no ‘approved suppliers’.

There are only regulated unapproved methods and feedstuffs, garbage being one of them.

This is simply a case of some (I presume) hippy liberal who wants something to whine about. What he has come up against is people like me (before I retired) who have their entire life invested in providing Americans with good, wholesome SAFE pork.

Along the way we helped enact laws and regulations to protect the quality of meat that the general public was offered.

We, instead, had meetings with other producers, scientists, university professors, bureaucrats, and politicians. All pretty much behind the scenes, because we wanted decisions based on facts not emotions. These meetings weren’t closed to the public; it’s just that the public has little or no interest in them. We enacted regulations and kicked off ad campaigns (remember ‘the other white meat’?),

This guy got stopped by one of these regulations, and in typical whiny Liberals fashion he runs to the newspapers to whip up some sympathy.

Do you really want the quality of the safety of your food decided on emotion?


17 posted on 08/25/2012 7:11:01 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: Balding_Eagle
When farmers have tens, or hundreds of millions invested in production facilities and livestock, they don’t want some little cheapskate getting front page news because he cut corners and released a bunch of dangerous food on the trusting public. We paid for the track record of safe foods out of our own pockets.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to tell you your business, nor do I advocate unsafe practices concerning the food supply.

My biggest issue IS the fact you have to 'pay for the track record of safe foods out of your own pocket'. It just seems a horrible waste of resources when you consider simple cooking kills the virus.

18 posted on 08/25/2012 7:11:01 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: MamaTexan

You obviously know what it takes to make food safe to eat.

Frankly, most consumers don’t.

I myself prefer my chops just barely done, and in that kind of cooking, it’s critical that the food be completly safe when it’s purchased.


19 posted on 08/25/2012 7:15:53 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: Balding_Eagle

My grandfather raised his own pigs (not many). He fed them himself and slaughtered them himself. Cooked them just like you did and fed us all. Somehow I made it past 60.

He pretty much had bacon and eggs every morning.

I knew there something I liked about Texans.


20 posted on 08/25/2012 7:24:10 AM PDT by budj (beam me up, scotty...)
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To: Balding_Eagle
I myself prefer my chops just barely done, and in that kind of cooking, it’s critical that the food be completely safe when it’s purchased.

I imagine you have a HUGE selection of pork recipes. :-)

And I agree about the ignorance of consumers, too.

Face it, they can't be too awfully smart, or they wouldn't have to have plastic bags printed with 'do not place over head'....right?

LOL!

21 posted on 08/25/2012 7:27:26 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: MamaTexan
My biggest issue IS the fact you have to 'pay for the track record of safe foods out of your own pocket'.

The meat producers, which naturally includes pork, have a 'checkoff' system wherby a certain dollar amount is deducted from the check the farmer recieves when he sells market hogs.

That money is used for the projects I outlined.

The theory behind that was/is that if the farmer does a good job of policing his own production, the government will keep their mitts off. It's worked very well for many,many decades.

That no long is holding true.

In the end, with the 'help' of government and emotion driven stories such as this, I suspect this guy will get his way. Pork, as a result, will be a little less safe to eat, and the security of government workers a little more safe.

Eventually some disease outbreak will occur, government workers will be the only ones qualified to intervine etc. etc. We all know the drill already.

22 posted on 08/25/2012 7:43:17 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I respect your knowledge and experience, but I’m confused - how could it be harmful to feed pigs fresh vegetables?


23 posted on 08/25/2012 8:25:22 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
The couple who were “shocked” to learn that it is illegal to sell vetables to commercial swine

My view is if the pigs have the cash to pay for it, they can buy anything being sold.

24 posted on 08/25/2012 9:54:01 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: kabumpo

Long and costly history tells us that everyone has a different definition of ‘fresh vegetables’, and many of those definitions have been deadly.


25 posted on 08/25/2012 10:18:28 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: freedomfiter2

The article was very unclear, perhaps intentionally so.

I don’t think anybody objects to your taking potatoes out of the ground and feeding them the pigs, as I think the law refers to table scraps only. If the article explained why the family had so many table scraps available, it sure didn’t say.

I used to live in Idaho, where there were massive potato farms. A guy established a feedlot for cattle north of town, and fed them pretty much on potatoes that had spoiled in storage. You would not believe the odor from bovine excrement produced from rotten potatoes. I wonder if there is something similar going on here.


26 posted on 08/25/2012 2:50:23 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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