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Vets Being Rounded Up Nationwide?
Western Journalism ^ | August 24, 2012

Posted on 08/25/2012 8:42:18 AM PDT by george76

Constitutional Attorney John Whitehead, who represented wrongly-incarcerated marine Brandon J. Raub for free, appeared on Glenn Beck’s program to talk about how Brandon is unfortunately not alone in many ways.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; brandonjraub; firearms; govtabuse; johnwhitehead; marine; ptsd; raub; roundup; tyranny; veteran; veterans; vetroundup; vets; vietnamveteran; whitehead
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1 posted on 08/25/2012 8:42:25 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

I’ve met Whitehead in person. He’s pretty much a class act.


2 posted on 08/25/2012 8:44:28 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: george76

more vets?


3 posted on 08/25/2012 8:46:57 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: george76
Vets Being Rounded Up Nationwide?

So! Who will take care of my cat when she gets sick?

4 posted on 08/25/2012 8:57:37 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: george76

I saw the interview on GBTV.

The attorney also said that the government is encouraging returning vets to apply for PTSD treatment.

I think that the attorney was implying that the Obama government is doing this for some nefarious reason, which it may, or may not be as far as I know.

But, there are some vets in need of such help. The problem as I see it is that there is such a stigma against those vets from future employment being labeled as ‘crazy’, etc. that many vets in need refuse and go without treatment.


5 posted on 08/25/2012 9:06:34 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: george76

The fear mongers are picking up a lot. IMHO, stories like this are made to make people think twice about speaking out.


6 posted on 08/25/2012 9:07:27 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: george76

did you read the posts. there are some on there that did not like what the vet had to say so thought it was alright to put him in the nut house with no warrant or even a hearing.


7 posted on 08/25/2012 9:07:47 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: george76

Where is the article and back up information of this round up? Does no one write any longer, is all they is talk?


8 posted on 08/25/2012 9:07:59 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: george76

bttt


9 posted on 08/25/2012 9:08:30 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: george76

Crazy people can’t have guns, even if they know how to use them. Or maybe it’s nothing at all.


10 posted on 08/25/2012 9:10:24 AM PDT by captnemo1
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To: reg45

” So! Who will take care of my cat when she gets sick?”

Plenty of room at my house. Her Highness could use some company.

Oh wait...I’m a veteran too...


11 posted on 08/25/2012 9:14:03 AM PDT by moovova (OMG...Obama Must Go)
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To: KeyLargo

If they voluntarily apply for PTSD, they can be declared to be mentally incompetent.

Mentally incompetent people CANNOT POSSESS FIREARMS!!


12 posted on 08/25/2012 9:14:49 AM PDT by djf (The barbarian hordes will ALWAYS outnumber the clean-shaven. And they vote.)
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To: djf

“If they voluntarily apply for PTSD, they can be declared to be mentally incompetent.

Mentally incompetent people CANNOT POSSESS FIREARMS!!”

Yes. Also some states may require PTSD to be entered on a vets drivers license.

Troops Are So Stigmatized By PTSD The Military Wants The Disorder’s Name Changed

Eloise Lee | May 7, 2012,

The military hopes to remove stigma associated with PTSD — by replacing “disorder” with the word “injury”— which could encourage troops, and even civilians who suffer from it, to seek treatment instead of bottling it up out of shame.

Greg Jaffe at the Washington Post reports the issue is coming to the forefront because the American Psychiatric Association’s “bible of mental illnesses” — the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders — is being updated for the first time in 12 years.

To put that into context, the events of 9/11 and the start of the Afghan and Iraq wars have all occurred since the manual was last revised. In this recent time span, the term “PTSD” has often cropped up negatively in the public sphere whenever a service member or veteran commits an inexplicable crime, even though the disorder may not be the cause whatsoever. Frustratingly, this leads to PTSD developing an unwarranted bad rap.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-stigma-of-ptsd-is-so-bad-the-military-wants-the-disorders-name-to-be-changed-2012-5#ixzz24Zkn4APZ


13 posted on 08/25/2012 9:26:28 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: george76
during and at the end of Veit Nam. there was a lot of movies, shows and story's about Veit Nam vets going crazy and shooting or killing people. I think the Medea and other groups are starting it all over again. Use the old war dog up and them kill them off at the end of the war because they get in the way, and do not act like the rest of the sheep.
14 posted on 08/25/2012 9:38:35 AM PDT by 20yearvet (they yell for more tests as long as its your money)
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To: george76; Albion Wilde; marktwain; amom; DLfromthedesert; Alamo-Girl

Pinging for your possible interest


15 posted on 08/25/2012 9:42:15 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: 20yearvet
Mass murderer Army Major Malik Nadal Hasan — Jihadi psychiatrist would interview returning veterans and attempt to brainwash them into turning against their country and to atone for their “sins against Islam”.

So much for military psychiatrists.

16 posted on 08/25/2012 9:47:29 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: reg45; moovova
So! Who will take care of my cat when she gets sick?

I'll take care of her, I have 3 myself. Wait, although I am not a vet, I would also be seen as an undesirable by the Bamster in the White Hut. Why, because I'm an amateur radio operator and I own several transceivers, shortwave radios and police scanners. Well, there is always my 74 year old mom. B-)

This crap has to stop.
17 posted on 08/25/2012 9:55:30 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: djf
Mentally incompetent people CANNOT POSSESS FIREARMS!!

Well, there is always the black market at the street corner. B-) We all might be headed to there someday to buy our lightbulbs, steaks, cigarettes and so on. B-P
18 posted on 08/25/2012 9:57:58 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: george76

I have an acquaintance who just got out of the Marines after two tours in Catboxistan.

He is one of those guys who was totally UNFAZED by combat. He thought some of it was fun and was famous for shooting videos in the middle of firefights. He is exactly the same happy and sane guy he was before he enlisted.

He went to the VA hospital to seek medical care for some injuries he sustained in combat. The VA posted an armed VA cop beside him in the waiting room and even had the cop go to the bathroom with him.

Needless to say, he says he will never go the the VA hospital again.

The commies have infested every department of the fedgov and agencies.


19 posted on 08/25/2012 10:09:28 AM PDT by darth
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To: djf

All this falls in line with the declaration by Homeland inSecurity about a year or so ago that labeled Veterans as a terrorist group. Hussein and his regime want to ensure that when he refuses to relinquish power, or when he openly abrogates The Constitution, that those sworn to uphold it will be in no position to resist.


20 posted on 08/25/2012 10:38:27 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO GTFO!)
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To: 20yearvet
Say Gutin Tag to the new O-Bummer/DNC Gestapo/SS.
21 posted on 08/25/2012 11:26:37 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: 20yearvet
I recently got a "Vietnam Veteran" license plate. Mostly got it to piss off liberals that still hate the VN war and any that fought in it.

Now, I wonder if that plate makes me a target for police and DHS?

22 posted on 08/25/2012 12:54:57 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: TEXOKIE

Thanks for the ping!


23 posted on 08/25/2012 9:05:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Good to see you're still around.
24 posted on 08/26/2012 8:42:17 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Good to see you here, too, dear Carry_Okie!


25 posted on 08/26/2012 9:06:29 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: KeyLargo
I think that the attorney was implying that the Obama government is doing this for some nefarious reason, which it may, or may not be as far as I know.

One step closer to being able to deny the returning vets the right to RKBA if they are deemed to be suffering from clinical depression.

26 posted on 08/26/2012 1:14:41 PM PDT by Ron H. (Ahh, how's that multi-culturism thing working out for you these days?!)
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To: doorgunner69
I recently got a "Vietnam Veteran" license plate. Mostly got it to piss off liberals that still hate the VN war and any that fought in it. Now, I wonder if that plate makes me a target for police and DHS?

Put a little Confederate-flag sticker next to it and you sure as hell will be.

27 posted on 08/26/2012 6:13:09 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: KeyLargo

I think you’re right. I think there is plenty of abuse of the PTSD diagnosis by slackers which makes those who really are dealing with it doubly afflicted. First by PTSD and second by the stigma.

Many soldiers cope remarkably well, but others are truly traumatized. Someone who has not experience the horrors of war has no idea what these guys have been through.

Think about how traumatic it is to experience the death of a close friend. Now add to that personally witnessing the death, or losing multiple friends all at the same time. Add to that being far from home in a strange place where people are trying to kill you.

PTSD (usually) isn’t a permanent condition. The same way that being depressed due to the loss of a close family member isn’t permanent. If the government is using this to classify vets as “crazy” then shame on them.

God bless our troops and our vets!


28 posted on 08/26/2012 6:42:05 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: george76; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; ...

Active Duty/Retiree Ping.

Heads up.


29 posted on 08/26/2012 6:50:23 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Ron H.

Doctors can “diagnose” almost anyone with clinical depression.

Are you sad because your dog died? You’re clinically depressed. Are you sad because you lost your job? You’re clinically depressed. Are you sad because you’re arguing with a family member? You’re clinically depressed. Are you irritated with the neighbor because his dog poops on your lawn? You’re clinically depressed.

I’m pretty sure our vets (”depressed” or not) are smart enough to keep and bear arms regardless of what some shrink says. I don’t think they are going to get walked over by some liberal government shrink who is afraid of guns.


30 posted on 08/26/2012 6:52:52 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: 20yearvet
Hollywood played right into it...


31 posted on 08/26/2012 7:01:29 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: generally

Interesting theory you have there. Take it from someone who has walked down that long harrowing road and has lived with the tragic consequences every day for better than 42 years now. (Clinical) depression is only one factor of PTSD symptoms. Some of us (former combat veterans) have learned to recognize the symptoms and learned ways to cope with the effects.


32 posted on 08/26/2012 7:09:37 PM PDT by Ron H. (Ahh, how's that multi-culturism thing working out for you these days?!)
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To: generally
Communist Goals, 1963:

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

33 posted on 08/26/2012 7:09:45 PM PDT by wolf24
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To: generally
If the government is using this to classify vets as “crazy” then shame on them.

The government is infested with the 1960-1970s anti-American hippies (think William Ayers, John Kerry,Jane Fond, et al) who persecuted American veterans. These people are now incharge of the government and are continuing their persecutions.

34 posted on 08/26/2012 7:32:11 PM PDT by foxfield
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To: george76

Veterans know their rights. Veterans know how to fight. Veterans will fight for their rights. This is a big problem for the tyranical statists.


35 posted on 08/26/2012 7:40:52 PM PDT by foxfield
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To: Jet Jaguar

For those new to Medicare, Obamacare gives you “Free” Annual Wellness Exam. The administration at your current med clinic will be hounding you to participate.

Be very careful. Keep in mind that you can refuse the “wellness visit”.

The visit is nothing more than a nurse asking you many personal, intrusive questions and documenting all in a government database.

Many of the questions have to do with your state of mind.

AFFORDABLE CARE ACT EXPANDS MEDICARE COVERAGE
FOR PREVENTION AND WELLNESS

The Affordable Care Act[1] (ACA) adds coverage for a new “Wellness Visit” and eliminates cost-sharing for almost all of the preventive services covered by Medicare, effective January 1, 2011. This Alert discusses both provisions.

Wellness Visit

Starting next year, Medicare will cover a new annual wellness visit and will provide payment for the creation of a personalized prevention plan. The wellness visit will include a health risk assessment to:

Establish or update the individual’s medical and family history;

Create a list of current providers and suppliers involved in providing medical care, including a list of prescriptions;

Take measurements of height, weight, body mass index, blood pressure and other routine measurements; and

Detect cognitive impairments.....

http://www.medicareadvocacy.org/InfoByTopic/PartB/10_09.09.WellnessVisit.htm


36 posted on 08/27/2012 6:53:47 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: generally

See my post #36


37 posted on 08/27/2012 6:55:32 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: wolf24

Glenn Beck had that communist goal on his blackboard when interviewing the attorney.


38 posted on 08/27/2012 6:58:04 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: The Sons of Liberty

See my post #36


39 posted on 08/27/2012 7:01:15 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Oh great: I am a 100% disabled OIF vet, 70% of my disability is from PTSD


40 posted on 08/27/2012 7:08:07 AM PDT by jesseam (eliev)
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To: Ron H.

ObamaCare Decision Means Feds Will Continue to Cull Gun Owner Information

Posted on June 28, 2012 by Ammoland

While the decision means many harmful things for the American public, the Second Amendment community remains greatly affected,

[GOA’s John Velleco was at the U.S. Supreme Court today to speak with media about how the ObamaCare decision negatively impacts gun owners.] as the law requires Americans’ medical information to be culled and entered into a national database.

Centralizing these medical records will allow the FBI to troll a list of Americans for ailments such as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) to deny them their gun rights, in the same way that the Veterans Administration has already denied more than 150,000 veterans their right to bear arms.

Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2012/06/28/obamacare-decision-means-feds-will-continue-to-cull-gun-owner-information/#ixzz24kw6Tl00


41 posted on 08/27/2012 7:20:27 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: SandRat

Expect to see more of this leftist doctor attitude towards gun owners when Obamacare is up and running full bore next year.

As a doctor, I’m going to keep asking about guns

by Suzanne Koven, MD on August 8th, 2012 | in Physician| 64 responses

...What I’m thinking about today is the role doctors and other health professionals do and should play in preventing the 30,000 deaths and many more injuries in which firearms are involved every year in the U.S.

Behind the closed doors of my exam room, I ask patients many very personal questions: about their sexual behavior, alcohol and drug use, domestic violence, and other sensitive issues.

But there are no questions I ask–and I ask them routinely, especially of new patients–that meet with more surprise than these: “Do you own any firearms? Do you keep them locked and inaccessible to children?”

I believe the questions come as a surprise because people don’t usually think of gun ownership as something about which a doctor would or should be concerned....

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2012/08/doctor-guns.html


42 posted on 08/27/2012 7:29:22 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Thanks for the info and the link.


43 posted on 08/27/2012 8:21:19 AM PDT by Ron H. (Ahh, how's that multi-culturism thing working out for you these days?!)
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To: KeyLargo
But there are no questions I ask–and I ask them routinely, especially of new patients–that meet with more surprise than these: “Do you own any firearms? Do you keep them locked and inaccessible to children?”

When I have been asked this question in the past by any of my doctors I simply reply with a stern, "sorry doc, you're out of bounds there. Next question!"

44 posted on 08/27/2012 8:25:13 AM PDT by Ron H. (Ahh, how's that multi-culturism thing working out for you these days?!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Thanks for the ping Jag.

Since I use the MTF where I live, I get the ubiquitous “are you depressed/suicidal/intent on causing harm” interrogation.

I just remain polite with the A1C tech and answer, truthfully, since I’m not.

However, I refuse to answer if they ask about firearms. Can only recall one doing that.

I also make sure the family answer in the same way.


45 posted on 08/27/2012 8:54:11 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: jesseam; KeyLargo

Bon Voyage. I guess I’m off to an 0bama re-indoctrination / re-education camp for an extended stay.


46 posted on 08/27/2012 9:23:00 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO GTFO!)
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To: george76

Didn’t Germany have many veterans after WW I? Look what they did there. It could happen here. Naaaaah.


47 posted on 08/27/2012 9:32:29 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Who you chose as President isn't as important as his choice of political appointees.)
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To: KeyLargo

Here’s an excerpt from that article.

“But according to statistics from the Centers for Disease Control, homicide, suicide, and accidents are among the top three causes of death for Americans ages 0-54, and these deaths often involve firearms-over 30,000 per year. That’s seven times as many as die of cervical cancer, and nearly as many as die from pancreatic cancer annually.”

Notice the wording. “often” They don’t specify the percentage. They throw in “accidents” (which are going to include car accidents, a top killer) to beef up the numbers and then try to scare people with those numbers. This is beyond disingenuous. This is flat out lying.

They could say these deaths often involve bathtubs, since some people drown in bathtubs each year. But they aren’t trying to ban bathtubs.

We need to redesign the medical system so that doctors and insurance companies do NOT maintain our medical records.


48 posted on 08/27/2012 9:57:53 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: KeyLargo

Best comment after the article:

You are more likely to be killed by a doctor than a firearm. - FACT.


49 posted on 08/27/2012 9:59:59 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: generally
"But according to statistics from the Centers for Disease Control, homicide, suicide, and accidents are among the top three causes of death for Americans ages 0-54, and these deaths often involve firearms-over 30,000 per year. That’s seven times as many as die of cervical cancer, and nearly as many as die from pancreatic cancer annually."

Notice the wording. “often” They don’t specify the percentage. They throw in “accidents” (which are going to include car accidents, a top killer) to beef up the numbers and then try to scare people with those numbers. This is beyond disingenuous. This is flat out lying.

A little perspective. Just did a quick Google of reported automobile related deaths annually in the US "Motor Vehicle--Related Death Rates --- United States, 1999--2005" as reported by the CDC, total 311,356. Perhaps we need to better regulate who can drive a motor vehicle, possibly have doctors ask their patients and their 5 year old's if they or anyone in their family drives a (much more deadly) motorized vehicle and take away their privilege of driving on the nations hiways and biways?! But possibly that's not the (nefarious) goal here!   </ >

50 posted on 08/27/2012 11:11:10 AM PDT by Ron H. (Ahh, how's that multi-culturism thing working out for you these days?!)
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