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Police: All Empire State shooting victims were wounded by officers
CNN ^ | Sat Aug 25, 2012 | David Ariosto, CNN

Posted on 08/25/2012 9:17:40 AM PDT by carriage_hill

New York (CNN) -- All nine people injured in Friday's shooting in front of the Empire State Building were wounded by police gunfire, New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told reporters Saturday.

The officers unloaded a total of 16 rounds at a disgruntled former apparel designer, killing him after he shot and killed a co-worker and engaged in a gunbattle with police, authorities have said.

Police said an investigation is under way after one officer shot nine rounds while another shot seven. Three victims suffered gunshot wounds, while the remaining six were hit by fragments.

The gunman, who served in the U.S. Coast Guard in the late 1970s, had two rounds left in his .45-caliber pistol. It holds eight rounds, Kelly said.

The violence erupted Friday morning just as visitors began to queue up to ascend the famous New York skyscraper in one of Manhattan's busiest neighborhoods.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: nyc; nypd; shooting
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1 posted on 08/25/2012 9:17:44 AM PDT by carriage_hill
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To: carriage_hill

Picked the wrong week to quit practicing.


2 posted on 08/25/2012 9:18:50 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: carriage_hill

Calls for disarming the police in 3-2-1


3 posted on 08/25/2012 9:19:38 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: carriage_hill

Calls for disarming the police in 3-2-1


4 posted on 08/25/2012 9:19:38 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: Yehuda

BTTT ~ as I was saying about NYC cops, they got too many guns on the street eh! (?s)


5 posted on 08/25/2012 9:20:22 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

New assignment: MUCH more range time.


6 posted on 08/25/2012 9:20:31 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill

Well, gee, everybody had to get in on the action because the cops don’t get much action in a place with strict gun laws. Yes, that is sarcasm.

I’ll be the SWAT boys were really hacked off because they didn’t have time to put on their black ninja outfits and join the action.


7 posted on 08/25/2012 9:20:47 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: carriage_hill

8 posted on 08/25/2012 9:21:12 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: carriage_hill

Are we going to have a new term “going coastal?”


9 posted on 08/25/2012 9:22:19 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (6 November, 2012, the day our embarrassment is sent back to Kenya.)
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To: beenaround

Does anyone know what cal they carry? .40cal or 9mm? 16 shots from just 2 LEOs, is a lot of misses.


10 posted on 08/25/2012 9:22:35 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill

Crowded street. The “victims” should consider themselves lucky.


11 posted on 08/25/2012 9:22:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: carriage_hill

Probably tea party types unhappy about Obamacare.


12 posted on 08/25/2012 9:23:39 AM PDT by vekzen
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To: carriage_hill

Is Obama going to say the police acted stupidly?

Can’t wait to hear Nanny Bloomberg’s spin on this one.


13 posted on 08/25/2012 9:24:34 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: carriage_hill

Misses? I thought they shot nine people?


14 posted on 08/25/2012 9:25:43 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: beenaround

You’ve got to speak to people in NYC in their language, so tell them “There is this new GREEN ammo called hollowpoint that reduces carbon footprints and causes fewer thrushots that risk innocent civilian casualties. Ditto for frangible ammo.”

If you don’t say “green” and “carbon” then whatever you mention to them just gets ignored.


15 posted on 08/25/2012 9:25:52 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: carriage_hill
Whoops!

The closest I've ever come to passing a police firing range test was qualifying with an M-14 (and M-16) during BCT.Unlike qualifying in BCT,I would think taking the police test would involve movement of the police recruit and/or the target.Add to that the fact that you're talking handgun vs rifle and I would think that the police test would be tougher.Then,out "in the field",you have the stress of a situation.Can't be easy...even at close range.I just hope that no slimey lawyer seeks punitive damages or "pain and suffering" for a client rather than just reimbursement for medical expenses.Although in NYC,you *know* that the lawyers are going to go for serious $$$!

16 posted on 08/25/2012 9:26:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: txrefugee

I used to work ‘up the road’ at Rock Center, for many years. IIRC, there’s a lot of concrete, steel and brick ricochet material in those NYC ‘canyons’.


17 posted on 08/25/2012 9:26:49 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill
The gunman, who served in the U.S. Coast Guard in the late 1970s

Never miss a chance to throw a dig at a former military even if it was forty years ago.

18 posted on 08/25/2012 9:26:56 AM PDT by oldbrowser
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To: carriage_hill

“Police: All Empire State shooting victims were wounded by officers”

except of coarse for the guy the perp killed. Stupid headline


19 posted on 08/25/2012 9:27:04 AM PDT by Gettin Betta
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To: cripplecreek

And no dogs were shot either


20 posted on 08/25/2012 9:27:13 AM PDT by xp38
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To: cripplecreek

You got that right!


21 posted on 08/25/2012 9:27:42 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: beenaround

From the article:

“Police said an investigation is under way after one officer shot nine rounds while another shot seven. Three victims suffered gunshot wounds, while the remaining six were hit by fragments.”

“Kelly had said the bystanders were not hit directly by police, but rather the officers’ struck “flowerpots and other objects around, so ... their bullets fragmented and, in essence, that’s what caused the wounds.”


22 posted on 08/25/2012 9:29:53 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill
The gunman, who served in the U.S. Coast Guard in the late 1970s,

WTF has that got to do with anything?

23 posted on 08/25/2012 9:29:53 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: beenaround

That there was funny . . .snort.


24 posted on 08/25/2012 9:30:10 AM PDT by wtd
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To: carriage_hill

If the citizens were armed, some of the ‘cops’ would not have fired on them.


25 posted on 08/25/2012 9:34:09 AM PDT by sagar
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To: Gay State Conservative

The *ambulance chasers* are already lining-up with fistfuls/bucketfuls of lawsuits. Count on it.


26 posted on 08/25/2012 9:34:17 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill

I know for a fact if someone was in the process of bringing a gun up to shoot me I would slowly draw my weapon, carefully aim at center mass, check my backstop, and SQUEEZE the trigger. These cops have no discipline.


27 posted on 08/25/2012 9:35:26 AM PDT by suthener
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To: oldbrowser

Every. Damned. Chance. They. Get.


28 posted on 08/25/2012 9:36:36 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: beenaround
Calls for disarming the police in 3-2-1

Since you brought it up, do you feel police should be subjected to the same gun laws as legitimate law abiding citizens?

29 posted on 08/25/2012 9:37:00 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: carriage_hill

About a year ago there was a story out of Detroit about a guy who killed a home invader and accidentally shot his wife in the process. She forgave him.


30 posted on 08/25/2012 9:37:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: carriage_hill

Think 1999 Amadou Diallo

NYC Cops are barely trained. Thanks again blooomers


31 posted on 08/25/2012 9:38:21 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: sagar

If some of them were CCW/CHL, it would have been over before the cops arrived. And probably with a lot less carnage.


32 posted on 08/25/2012 9:38:40 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: oldbrowser

Maybe so, but the media may be adding that item because the perp was a loony-tune who apparently told his co-workers all kinds of conflicting stories about serving in the Army, the Marines, doing tours in Vietnam, etc. The statement about the Coast Guard may be there to provide a definitive answer to some questions that had been swirling around the story yesterday.


33 posted on 08/25/2012 9:38:40 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: muawiyah

seen some of the NY cops on the video when the shooting happened, and boy there was one black woman cop who must have weighed 250 pound another looked like they were raised on donuts.

Having been to that city numnerous times I can honestly say the NY Cops are not the most professional lot I’ve ever come across, most seem miserable, can’t be bothred to do their job etc.

Not sure how they do their recruiting but maybe that needs to be addressed.


34 posted on 08/25/2012 9:38:56 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: carriage_hill

Likely .40 cal Glocks...spray and pray...empty the magazine in the direction of the perp.....


35 posted on 08/25/2012 9:39:34 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: carriage_hill

36 posted on 08/25/2012 9:40:07 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: beenaround

Not calling for disarming them, but perhaps equipping them with revolvers might improve their accuracy..


37 posted on 08/25/2012 9:40:30 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: carriage_hill

I had a girlfriend who was accidentally shot by her father.

Nothing serious just some small shot ricochet caught her in the leg. She wasn’t where she was supposed to be.


38 posted on 08/25/2012 9:41:22 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: hattend

Like the current commander-in-chief, the MSM loathes the US Armed Forces.


39 posted on 08/25/2012 9:41:22 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude
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To: txrefugee

You forgot the balaclava’s and armored knee pads.


40 posted on 08/25/2012 9:41:37 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: suthener

Good, solid sequence. I’ve done IDPA competitions for several years, but haven’t had a true ‘face-to-face’, yet. I too, practice daily, yet hoping the day will never come.


41 posted on 08/25/2012 9:43:12 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: penelopesire
This just in.....Bloomie orders new uniforms for NYPD...


42 posted on 08/25/2012 9:43:51 AM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: carriage_hill

Well, at least the officers were unharmed, and afterall, that is the priority. You have to expect a little collateral damage in the process of performing heroic deeds. What I don’t hear is a “thank you” from the people on the street who were protected by the NYPD.


43 posted on 08/25/2012 9:44:34 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: carriage_hill

All — that’s not good. More of that and they will be back to carrying batons.


44 posted on 08/25/2012 9:45:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Gettin Betta
“Police: All Empire State shooting victims were wounded by officers”

except of coarse for the guy the perp killed. Stupid headline

Just a wild guess, but I think there is a difference between the wounded and the murdered dead guy.

45 posted on 08/25/2012 9:47:07 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Oh I couldn’t be more opposed to your thinking on this.

ONE perp, NINE wounded villians with a total of 16 shots fired? And, it seems the perp even didn’t get a shot off? Come on! This is horribly inept shooting.

Medical expenses only? What about disability afterwards? You think getting shot by a 9mm or 40 cal is a cakewalk easily recovered from? I’d sue their damned asses off.


46 posted on 08/25/2012 9:47:16 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: dragnet2
I believe they are. Police applicants are subject to a thorough back round check as well as psychological evaluations before they afre even allowed on the force.
47 posted on 08/25/2012 9:48:06 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: carriage_hill
“President Barack Obama learned about the incident around 9:30 a.m. from top aides, the White House said.”

Why is the president being briefed on this at all? How many innocent people get killed in Chicago nearly every night of the week by hoodie wearing thugs?

48 posted on 08/25/2012 9:48:49 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: carriage_hill

Getting in a shoot out on a congested downtown street sounds like a bad idea. Sometimes reacting without thinking is a bad idea. Unless the man was actively shooting at civvies, the cops should have taken cover and cleared the streets before engaging the gunman. Just my opinion based on the story so far, reserve the right to change it based on new evidence.
I don’t blame the cops for bad shooting in a crisis situation, just bad judgement.


49 posted on 08/25/2012 9:48:53 AM PDT by qman (The communist usurper must go!)
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To: Gaffer

Too ‘jumpy’ for me. That’s also why I put my G32 .357sig away, and switched.

I carry a full size Kimber 1911 .45cal ACP w/ 230gr HPs. Very accurate and precise, like a Rolex.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/eclipse-ii/eclipse-target-ii


50 posted on 08/25/2012 9:49:07 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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