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Confirmation: Egypt 'Deployed U.S.-Made Tanks, SAMs in Sinai'
INN ^ | 8/26/12 | Gil Ronen

Posted on 08/26/2012 8:49:21 AM PDT by Nachum

Egypt has deployed U.S.-made surface-to-air missiles and tanks near the border with Israel, in a breach of the 1979 peace treaty, reports the World Tribune.

Western defense sources said the Egyptian Army has deployed "a range of assets supplied by the United States." They cited main battle tanks (MBTs) and surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), particularly in the northeastern Sinai area, between the coastal city of El Arish and the border with Israel and Gaza.

“Right now, all of the [Egyptian] heavy weapons have been deployed along the Israeli border,” a defense source said.

The U.S.-made MBTs were identified as the M-60A3, which was exported to Egypt in the 1980s. The sources told the Tribune that the Egyptian Army has deployed between 20 and 30 of these in eastern Sinai.

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TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: deployed; egypt; israel; morsi; obamaarmsegypt; sinai; usarmsegypt; waronterror
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Western defense sources say 20 to 30 M-60A3 tanks, Avenger SAMs and F-16s deployed along border with Israel.

Never know when you have to beat back a terrorist with a SAM

1 posted on 08/26/2012 8:49:31 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 08/26/2012 8:50:34 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
Egyptians has been trying to enslave the Jews again since God sent Moses over there to lead them out
3 posted on 08/26/2012 8:52:49 AM PDT by reefdiver (zer0 One and Done)
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To: reefdiver

They lost their whole army in an afternoon, I would think they would have learned their lesson....


4 posted on 08/26/2012 8:59:59 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Nachum

Hopefully some of the FR “tread heads” will post their opinions on what kind of threat is posed by the M-60A3,


5 posted on 08/26/2012 9:04:11 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Nachum

Israel will hand to them again their rear ends.


6 posted on 08/26/2012 9:05:19 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Walkingfeather

They want to see how the Israelis respond. If the Israelis do nothing, more will follow. Logistically, a small Egytian force on the east side of the Suez canal is cut off, like Grant’s army at Shiloh. It’s a diplomatic gambit on the Egyptians’ part. If they can establish fortified positions on the east of Suez, they will gain a huge strategic advantage. It does bode well, and the Israelis must resist.


7 posted on 08/26/2012 9:08:19 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Nachum
No, completely incorrect - we didn't just give them the tanks - oh no - we built an entire factory for their manufacture and gave that to them...

I have a buddy who goes there often to service the machine tools.

8 posted on 08/26/2012 9:10:32 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Just like Hitler and The Rhineland in 1936, he wanted to gauge the French reaction to him remilitarizing the Rhineland, when the French did nothing, Hitler knew he would get Austria and Czechoslovakia without a fight.


9 posted on 08/26/2012 9:10:32 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BenLurkin

I’m not a tread head, but I’m the son of one and have been paying attention for a long time.

Those M-60s would be so much scrap if the Israelis came to town.


10 posted on 08/26/2012 9:13:10 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: BenLurkin

Not sure why the M60 is much of a big deal, those are 1960s stuff.
Egypt has nearly 900 M1 Abrams in their fleet, 1980s stuff.


11 posted on 08/26/2012 9:15:00 AM PDT by nascarnation (quit)
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To: Nachum

No problem...Obama will simply write an executive order telling Egypt that it’s no problem as long as you aim for Christians and Jews.


12 posted on 08/26/2012 9:15:10 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Nachum
Sounds as if the muhammadans are getting ready to replay 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973. Only this time it may be a lot worse.
13 posted on 08/26/2012 9:19:36 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: reefdiver
Egyptians has been trying to enslave the Jews again since God sent Moses over there to lead them out.

The historicity of Moses and the Exodus is dubious at best. That aside, best wishes towards Israel. I suspect this is just posturing on the part of Egypt, but you never know...

14 posted on 08/26/2012 9:20:19 AM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: dfwgator

I strongly suspect that those US weapons were supplied with a provision that they only be used “defensively” and kept strictly on the west side of the Suez. Besides the peace treaty with Israel, I suspect the Egyptians are in violation of obligations with respect to the U.S. They are testing us as well. They know they have a patsy in White House. If there is another Mideast war, much of the responsibility lies with Obama and Hilary.

To paraphrase Ed Koch, an American Jew would have to be crazy to vote for Obama. Look, maybe William F. Buckley’s grandfather wouldn’t let your great grandfather join the country club, but Obama’s grandfather was cheering for the Nazis when they were putting your grandparents in the ovens.


15 posted on 08/26/2012 9:21:43 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Walkingfeather

“They lost their whole army in an afternoon, I would think they would have learned their lesson....”

The problem is that they have better equipment now: made in the U.S. gear rather than third-rate Soviet gear.

So now it’s simply a matter of whether Egyptian training is any good and how brave their soldiers may be.

The U.S. really should install secret “disable” devices on things like tanks and SAMs and such when sold to third world countries.


16 posted on 08/26/2012 9:28:15 AM PDT by catnipman ((Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!))
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To: Sacajaweau
No problem...Obama will simply write an executive order telling Egypt that it’s no problem as long as you aim for Christians and Jews.

I guess US assets are finally in play in the Middle East --AGAINST OUR ONLY ALLY!!!-- ISRAEL!! Way to go Obie!!

17 posted on 08/26/2012 9:28:40 AM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: BenLurkin; archy; Gringo1; Matthew James; Fred Mertz; Squantos; colorado tanker; The Shrew; SLB; ...
Ben, here is a treadhead ping. I'm sure it hasn't been updated in a long time. I'll be curious to see how many names aren't valid when I test post.

Free Republic Treadhead Ping

18 posted on 08/26/2012 9:30:53 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Nachum

Maybe this is a chance for Isreal to expand their land mass. Taking Egypt would be nice spoils, and would give them plenty of room for future expansion.


19 posted on 08/26/2012 9:32:38 AM PDT by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: Joseph Harrolds

Welcome to the FR. Why do you think it is Dubious?


20 posted on 08/26/2012 9:39:49 AM PDT by reefdiver (zer0 One and Done)
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To: catnipman

Besides their crews, what also matters is how well their maintenance and logistics operations work. Modern armor (the M1A1s they haven’t deployed) and SAMs don’t work for long without a competent and dedicated support operation. These have not been Arab strong suits, and traditionally much of this support has been outsourced. I’m not sure how many contractors would stay on the job if there was a significant threat of Israeli air attack.


21 posted on 08/26/2012 9:45:34 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Nachum

Uh, the tanks are not American made. They are made in Egypt under license granted by Ronald Wilson Reagan. I don’t know about the missiles.

What difference does it make where the tanks were made anyway? They are in the Sinai sent by radical muzzie Egyptians of what is becoming a rogue nation.

Rogue nations don’t recognize treaties made by others.


22 posted on 08/26/2012 9:48:20 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Watch for this to take place in other countries. Then Iran announces it has a nuke and Israel is surrounded by active enemy armies.


23 posted on 08/26/2012 9:53:31 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: catnipman
The other issue is maintenance. Abrams a the crown jewel of a tank but a useless hunk of exotic metals, ceramics & electronics if not properly maintained. It takes highly skilled technicians & a disciplined approach to keep them running. That is something that Middle Eastern armies culturally are incapable of doing. I have talked to many people who have trained Middle Eastern personnel, to a man/women they say, “You can teach them the skills. They pass the tests. However culturally something like maintenance is looked down on as beneath their Islamic dignity. Why because its hands on and its not obvious ‘warrioring’.”. I remember saying to this one guy, ‘warrioring’ that's an interesting word what do you mean by that?” His reply,” They have this cultural image of the conquering Islamic warrior on horseback. Maintaining equipment in their minds is the equivalent of being the guy that feeds the horses. That is a infidels job!”

So they are culturally better suited for Russian equipment.

I agree we should put “something” in the electronics that turns everything off with a low probability of intercept RF command.

24 posted on 08/26/2012 9:54:55 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Sequoyah101

Sorry, M60s? They still have those? Why? Why deploy them there if they are serious?

M60s not built under license... M1s are.


25 posted on 08/26/2012 9:55:03 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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To: Sequoyah101

“Egypt assembled” is probably a better descriptor.

IIRC about 80% of the content was US manufactured, including the engine, transmission, turret, and weapons package.


26 posted on 08/26/2012 9:55:10 AM PDT by nascarnation (quit)
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To: Joseph Harrolds
The historicity of Moses and the Exodus is dubious at best.

LOL. Only dubious to the godless.
27 posted on 08/26/2012 9:58:54 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Nachum

About the only thing that comes to mind is “Don’t put it anywhere you don’t want to start a junkyard”.


28 posted on 08/26/2012 10:06:13 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: BenLurkin; The Shrew

Shrew is a former tanker ... Got any comments on the M60A3?


29 posted on 08/26/2012 10:40:41 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: FreedomPoster; Squantos; colorado tanker; Stonewall Jackson; Travis McGee; BenLurkin; archy; ...

Don’t believe the Egyptians have anything but a plain jane M1A1. The armament is superior, but the self protection is mediocre at best. The Israelis will come out on top, but it will be costly if the Egyptians don’t turn tail and run.


30 posted on 08/26/2012 10:42:58 AM PDT by SLB (23rd Artillery Group, Republic of South Vietnam, Aug 1970 - Aug 1971.)
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To: IronJack

Obviously these are sitting ducks without air support.
What do the Egyptians field for that?


31 posted on 08/26/2012 10:43:19 AM PDT by nascarnation (quit)
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To: SLB

All of Egypt’s M1’s have been upgraded to M1A2 SEP, and many of their M60’s are being upgraded to M60 2000/120 standard (M60 chassis with an M1A2 turret.


32 posted on 08/26/2012 10:54:55 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: SLB

Seen a bunch of A3’s at Cario West about 10 years ago ..... knowing how they care for their toys I’d say those are paperweights by now if not sold outright to the CHICOM’s as scrap metal.

Didn’t IDF get some A-10’s a few years back ? I think they have a few squadrons of Hogs. Also Apache Longbows.

Muslim Brotherhood better reel back a bunch of notches.

Wonder if Assad is pushing this an a cooperation attack so he can blame lots of casualties in his country on the Israelis. He wins a twofer with slapping the brotherhood in Egypt and his country playing on the blind hatred against Israel.

Just a thought.


33 posted on 08/26/2012 10:55:04 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: catnipman

Their US gear is 15-20 years behind what the Israelis have.


34 posted on 08/26/2012 10:55:54 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: catnipman

“The problem is that they have better equipment now: made in the U.S. gear rather than third-rate Soviet gear”

If the Israelis would have had the Soviet gear, and the moslems had ours, it would have still come out the same. The Soviet equipment always gets the blame for the way the turd worlders employ it.

My fave story is communist rebels in Rhodesia who left the sights on their AKs to 1000 yards. The logic being that the gun shoots harder to make the bullet go that far. The skinnies viewed it as a sort of accelerator pedal that regulated the power of the rifle.


35 posted on 08/26/2012 11:01:16 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: catnipman

“The problem is that they have better equipment now: made in the U.S. gear rather than third-rate Soviet gear”

If the Israelis would have had the Soviet gear, and the moslems had ours, it would have still come out the same. The Soviet equipment always gets the blame for the way the turd worlders employ it.

My fave story is communist rebels in Rhodesia who left the sights on their AKs to 1000 yards. The logic being that the gun shoots harder to make the bullet go that far. The skinnies viewed it as a sort of accelerator pedal that regulated the power of the rifle.


36 posted on 08/26/2012 11:01:33 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Tzfat
LOL. Only dubious to the godless.

Last I checked, belief in God doesn't require the acceptance of Biblical mythology at face value.  One can believe in God without being a Biblical literalist, or for that matter a Jew or Christian.

37 posted on 08/26/2012 11:08:09 AM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: DesertRhino

Just wow. Then again, these are peoples who tend to believe in black magic and such.

But all cultures are equal.


38 posted on 08/26/2012 11:10:59 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: reefdiver
Welcome to the FR.

Thanks!

Why do you think it is Dubious?

The vast majority of archaelogists and historians now recognize that there is no evidence that the Exodus as presented in the Bible ever actually happened.  As Biblical archaelogist William Dever puts it, the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus is a "fruitless pursuit".

Here a summation.  Granted, it's Wikipedia, but it's a starting point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses#Historicity

Many biblical scholars are prepared to admit that there may be a historical core beneath the Exodus and Sinai traditions, even if the biblical narrative dramatizes by portraying as a single event what was more likely a gradual process of migration and conquest. Thus, the motif of "slavery in Egypt" reflects the historical situation of imperialist control of the Egyptian Empire over Canaan after the conquests of Ramesses II, which declined gradually during the 12th century under the pressure from the Sea Peoples and the general Bronze Age collapse.

While the general narrative of the Exodus and the conquest of the Promised Land may be remotely rooted in historical events, the figure of Moses as a leader of the Israelites in these events cannot be substantiated.

39 posted on 08/26/2012 11:15:16 AM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: FreedomPoster

The Egyptians showed an effective maintenance and logistics organization in 1973. Their offensive was well organized and coordinated, and as far as I can tell they were never short of ammunition and fuel. This was of course in a fairly static campaign, where the Egyptians took few risks and made no attempts at substantial operational maneuvers beyond the very short advance over the canal.

The only point which is unknown is whether they could have sustained an offensive that penetrated far from their logistical bases. I doubt they did, and going out on a limb, I would say they probably don’t now.

Arguably, they don’t need this capability to pressure Israel. If they wanted to make a nuisance of themselves they would only need to provoke Israel into an offensive. They have the tools to do that. They have the SAM’s (US Patriots) and aircraft to interdict commercial aviation over much of Israel, to start - they don’t need to intrude far over Israeli airspace for their F16’s to do a hit@run at aircraft approaching Ben Gurion airport.
They can bombard targets all over Israel with a variety of missile systems.


40 posted on 08/26/2012 11:16:06 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: Nachum

Never trust Muslim governments.


41 posted on 08/26/2012 11:22:50 AM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Reily

“I agree we should put “something” in the electronics that turns everything off with a low probability of intercept RF command. “

Or even better yet, something that isn’t so obvious as turning everything off. Something that randomly slightly alters accurate aiming, something that cause random intermittent temporary breakdowns, something that causes random unreliability at some settable degree.


42 posted on 08/26/2012 11:33:42 AM PDT by catnipman ((Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!))
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To: Joseph Harrolds
Last I checked, belief in God doesn't require the acceptance of Biblical mythology at face value.

Funny, and where did you "check" that?

Your original statement was a value statement, pretending to be objective. Now you want acceptance of your definition of "belief in G-d"? So let me get this straight, you expect everyone to accept your subjective definition of what is "myth" as objective, and at the same time surrender what they might consider truth? Wow, if you don't see the inconsistency there, we must conclude your education in logic is a product of public education.

In fairness, and consistent logic, if you get to define the Bible as "myth" those of that see it as truth get to define you as godless.
43 posted on 08/26/2012 11:36:06 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: catnipman

You dont think the israelis have already done this?


44 posted on 08/26/2012 11:38:53 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: buwaya

Good point.

The Israelis should have kept the Sinai. It would have made a nice buffer.


45 posted on 08/26/2012 11:42:40 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Sacajaweau

Thank Hillary and Barry. The two anti-Semites, IMO.


46 posted on 08/26/2012 11:47:16 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Joseph Harrolds
“The historicity of Moses and the Exodus is dubious at best.”

Poppycock.
The Bible IS the word of God. That's good enough for me.

Archeology always eventually finds evidence to support and back up what God gave us thousands of years ago.

47 posted on 08/26/2012 11:47:39 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: Nachum

And just as God destroyed Egypt under Pharoah in the days of Moses, the word of God says He will destroy Egypt again in the last day. Stand by, a real “shock and awe,” is on the way.


48 posted on 08/26/2012 11:54:16 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Biggirl

Now both sides have US tools and weapons—looks like it will all depend on the training and generalship of each army to win the day. As the Moslem Brotherhood has fired all the top Egyptian Generals this will not serve them well. Look for another Israeli Victory when, and if, war comes.


49 posted on 08/26/2012 11:55:25 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Joseph Harrolds
Well there is no evidence that God wrote the 10 Commandments and gave them to Moses either. Yet here they are. Pretty much the same could be said of Jesus today, It's called faith that we believe in what we are taught from the Bible and the Alter.
The amount of evidence coming to us today resulting from archaeological digs, regarding events that took place centuries ago written about in the Bible, taking place in Israel would of been put into “fruitless pursuit” file not that long ago
50 posted on 08/26/2012 11:58:05 AM PDT by reefdiver (zer0 One and Done)
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