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Mitt Romney’s Assault on the Grassroots at the RNC
Caffeinated Thoughts ^ | Sunday August 26, 2012 | Shane Vander Hart

Posted on 08/26/2012 10:26:25 AM PDT by Bigtigermike

Mitt Romney’s legal advisor, Ben Ginsburg, has been attacking grassroots activism within the Republican Party during the Convention of the Rules Committee that met Friday prior to the Republican National Convention in Tampa, FL according to a source at the meeting.  I was told late yesterday that one of the amendments that he offered and was passed by the committee changes the RNC rules so that the presumptive nominee and the state party can decide who the delegates are that can go to the national convention.  The language of the rule states that the presidential nominee and state party can disavow any delegate.

These are essentially the people who write the platform.  Think about the implications of this:  If the nominee is anti-life, he or she, can essential disavow any pro-life delegate.  If he is in favor of same-sex marriage, he can disavow those delegates.  This gives the nominee too much influence over the party and it diminishes the grassroots who choose the delegates to send.  It is a top-down approach which favors the establishment.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012rncconvention; corrupt; evil; palin; rnc; romney; tampa; teaparty
Good Lord!!!!! If this is true then there is truly no hope for the Grand Ol Corrupt Party. It's time to expose these frauds and start a new "second" party. We are about to exchange one kind of monster for another kind of monster.
1 posted on 08/26/2012 10:26:29 AM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike
Why are sane conservative would vote to put Romney in the White House and in charge of the Republican party baffles me. He is actively working to undermine the grassroots even before he gets into office. He is doing it brazenly because too many idiots are going to vote from him no matter what.

If he is doing all this now, his attempt to destroy conservatism from within the party is going to be even more aggressive when he gets into office. It's insanity to think he or the damage he will do can be stopped once he gets into office.

2 posted on 08/26/2012 10:32:27 AM PDT by Kazan (Support for Romney is disobedience to God!)
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To: Bigtigermike

Yeah, I’d like to see the source for this. I met Ben Ginsburg at a conference that the entire purpose of the meeting was to get the grassroots more established for GW’s second run. Best made plans and all that, but this still doesn’t add up.


3 posted on 08/26/2012 10:32:48 AM PDT by Ms. AntiFeminazi
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To: Bigtigermike
We are about to exchange one kind of monster for another kind of monster.

And, guarantee ourselves a monster of some kind will be in the White House for eight, long years.

That might be what the country can't withstand.

4 posted on 08/26/2012 10:33:52 AM PDT by Kazan (Support for Romney is disobedience to God!)
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To: Bigtigermike

It seems to me that this guy’s thoughts just might be too caffeinated...............let’s don’t get too excited about it yet.

If we get mad at Romney, then who do we vote for?.....


5 posted on 08/26/2012 10:35:27 AM PDT by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Bigtigermike

Totally predictable. Romney chased the few remaining social conservatives out of the Massachusetts GOP. He’ll do the same to the national party. Anyone who votes for him is voting for that.


6 posted on 08/26/2012 10:38:12 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Bigtigermike
New word creation day? ... How about taserist to define this political type of terrorist?
7 posted on 08/26/2012 10:39:43 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: basil
If we get mad at Romney, then who do we vote for?.....

That problem was created the second this bum became the nominee for the Republican party. The time for us to start exploring the creation of a new second party is now. That's the only thing that will hold Romney's feet to the fire--an outright revolt on the right.
8 posted on 08/26/2012 10:39:58 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Kazan

Why are sane conservatives not going to vote or going to vote to put obama back in the White House. The formation of a conservative third party sounds good AFTER this election in November.


9 posted on 08/26/2012 10:41:45 AM PDT by Datom
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To: Bigtigermike
I was told late yesterday that one of the amendments that he offered and was passed by the committee changes the RNC rules so that the presumptive nominee and the state party can decide who the delegates are that can go to the national convention.

If this is true, it's insane. IT will ultimately destroy the party, as the grassroots delegates are the heart and soul of the party. Drive them away or make them subject to some sort of check by the nominee, and you lose the most committed folks.

10 posted on 08/26/2012 10:41:45 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Bigtigermike
I was told late yesterday that one of the amendments that he offered and was passed by the committee changes the RNC rules so that the presumptive nominee and the state party can decide who the delegates are that can go to the national convention. If this is true, it's insane. IT will ultimately destroy the party, as the grassroots delegates are the heart and soul of the party. Drive them away or make them subject to some sort of check by the nominee, and you lose the most committed folks.
11 posted on 08/26/2012 10:42:30 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: basil

Vande Hart is one of the top Iowa sources for all things Republican Politics and the Iowa caucus for years. It is true that Gingsberg did make it more difficult for serious challenges to Romney in 2016 by rule changes (it was reported in other media) But this news stated above is new and if true should be investigated because if it is true then we are in serious trouble


12 posted on 08/26/2012 10:43:43 AM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: OldNavyVet

Taserism ... the “cleansing action” of taserists


13 posted on 08/26/2012 10:45:38 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Bigtigermike

Mr. RomneyCARE tolerates NO dissent, like his army
of Saboteurs.

NO FAIR PRIMARIES.

NO DISSENT to ROMNEYCARE.

NO DISSENT TO DEATH PANELS.


14 posted on 08/26/2012 10:50:39 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session."- Mark Twain)
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To: Bigtigermike

Why are you surprised? Romney has always been clear about his disdain for conservatives and conservation principles.
Actually why would anyone be surprised?
Funny how so many (so called) conservatives are gun ho for him, even though Romney wants them all to go away.


15 posted on 08/26/2012 10:51:25 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Bigtigermike

Okay, that does it!

I’m voting for Barack Obama!


16 posted on 08/26/2012 10:55:47 AM PDT by Lucas McCain (Eat a live frog first thing in the morning, and nothing worse will happen for the rest of the day.)
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To: Datom

“The formation of a conservative third party sounds good AFTER this election in November.”

It’s always “after the election”, but never occurs. There is no bad time to begin the creation of a new conservative party.


17 posted on 08/26/2012 10:56:12 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: CapnJack

I think in a way the the Tea Party has already started a movement toward a third party and that is a good thing.


18 posted on 08/26/2012 11:02:58 AM PDT by Datom
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To: Bigtigermike

Well you see, homosexual pedophile activists (And every single person who ever posts that a vote for a write in or third party over Romney is one - no exceptions) are having problems gaining control of the party.


19 posted on 08/26/2012 11:08:29 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Datom

Yes, but remember one critical thing. The GOP has its hooks hard into the TEA party. Look at the ‘big names’ alteady there. And remember as they expand into it, they are filling it with the same ‘moderate’ workers at the staff level as the GOP itself has.

Are there enough of us to matter? I doubt it.

When actual conservatives were campaigning, the RINO wing of posters did everything to trash them. Here and on other ‘conservative sites. Today they trash anyone not lockstep with Romney.

They can deny it all they like. History does not lie.


20 posted on 08/26/2012 11:09:19 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: svcw

People’s hatred of Obama has them supporting someone who is opposed to the Tea Party agenda... ironic.


21 posted on 08/26/2012 11:11:59 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Sorry, gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Please leave a message. We'll get back to you.)
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To: Lucas McCain

That would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. We cannot afford to let Obama serve 4 more years. He will successfully ruin this nation and we will all be serfs! Wake up & be part of the solution!


22 posted on 08/26/2012 11:26:10 AM PDT by ramjam14
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To: CapnJack
It’s always “after the election”, but never occurs. There is no bad time to begin the creation of a new conservative party.

Created the day it became apparent that the formerly grand old party was about to nominate John Judas McCain:

America's Party

23 posted on 08/26/2012 11:34:30 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Antoninus

Not so. There are social conservatives in the Mass GOP (e.g. Sandi Martinez, Sean Bielat who is running against Joseph P. Kennedy III). The problem is that the democrats have been the dominant party in Massachusetts and have controlled the Massachusetts legislature for a long, long time.

The state GOP was destroyed by the Kennedy’s in the 1950’s.

In Massachusetts, a Republican governor actually has very little power because the legislature is so dominated by democrats.

Like the majority of Freepers, I had high hopes for other candidates in the primaries, but Romney is the guy left standing, and it’s either him or Obama. I don’t believe Romney is out to destroy social conservatives or push them to the sidelines, because it wouldn’t be to his political advantage to do so. His selection of Paul Ryan is a signal that social conservatives will have a place at the table.


24 posted on 08/26/2012 11:39:28 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Bigtigermike

I still don’t get how this guy is getting ANY conservative support


25 posted on 08/26/2012 11:39:54 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: ramjam14

Welcome to Free Republic.


26 posted on 08/26/2012 11:45:33 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: Bigtigermike

I smell a rat in this article. I personally know one of the people on the rules committee and she and her husband are prolife Catholics. There is no way she would let something like that pass.


27 posted on 08/26/2012 12:02:48 PM PDT by painter (Rebuild The America We love!)
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To: Bigtigermike

There will never be a better chance to etch ones Conservative bona fides in granite than to refuse to vote for Romney against Obama.


28 posted on 08/26/2012 12:08:23 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (I used to want to change the world. Now, I want to stop the world from changing me.)
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To: ramjam14

My earlier post was a feeble attempt at sarcasm. I completely agree with you. I get frustrated at those who constantly disparage the only candidate available, as imperfect as he is, that can defeat the commie in the White House.


29 posted on 08/26/2012 12:15:46 PM PDT by Lucas McCain (Eat a live frog first thing in the morning, and nothing worse will happen for the rest of the day.)
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To: ramjam14
Wake up & be part of the solution!

If mitt's your answer then your question was retarded.

30 posted on 08/26/2012 12:30:53 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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To: Kazan

Romney intends to come after the republican party first, cut our legs out from under, leaving us to look like a mob. Obama intends to come after America broadly, sweeping up and out all things traditional.

Either way, WE are out. So, which tree do we want to swing from?
Ron Paul’s organization is the only thing left standing in a position to raise hell on the convention floor, and I am all for it!

God bless the Paul obstruction efforts, if even they are not silenced.


31 posted on 08/26/2012 12:37:53 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: BlatherNaut
There are social conservatives in the Mass GOP (e.g. Sandi Martinez, Sean Bielat who is running against Joseph P. Kennedy III)

Sean Bielat has two opponents in the primary. One is Elizabeth Childs (who styles herself a social liberal and fiscal conservative), who was apparently recruited by the MA GOP. The other is a conservative (a dentist, I think, from Fall River maybe -- never heard of him before). I don't know why the other self-styled conservative got into the race, but it looks like the conservative vote will be split.

32 posted on 08/26/2012 12:50:52 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Bigtigermike

The only surprise to me is that anyone is surprised by this.


34 posted on 08/26/2012 1:10:46 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: maryz
Sean Bielat has two opponents in the primary. One is Elizabeth Childs (who styles herself a social liberal and fiscal conservative), who was apparently recruited by the MA GOP. The other is a conservative (a dentist, I think, from Fall River maybe -- never heard of him before). I don't know why the other self-styled conservative got into the race, but it looks like the conservative vote will be split.

If the GOP intended to recruit a "moderate" Republican who could actually beat Bielat, they wouldn't have chosen Childs, a former democrat and a Hillary voter who only registered as a Republican last year. Bielat is significantly ahead of both primary opponents last time I checked.

35 posted on 08/26/2012 2:28:52 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: RitaOK
Romney intends to come after the republican party first, cut our legs out from under, leaving us to look like a mob.

What purpose would that serve?

He'd be cutting his own legs out from under at the same time.

36 posted on 08/26/2012 2:38:39 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Bigtigermike
This is not surprising! It again has me wondering why Ryan (the principal House Budget cutter) was chosen as VP candidate. Who will take his place? Surely not Speaker Bonehead!

I believe Ryan was picked by the Washington insiders to kill the "SMALLER GOVERNMENT" initiatives by getting rid of him!
37 posted on 08/26/2012 3:03:40 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: BlatherNaut

I’m glad Bielat is ahead. All I know is when I heard Childs on the radio, she sounded as if the party had recruited her.


38 posted on 08/26/2012 3:26:45 PM PDT by maryz
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To: MrEdd
Well you see, homosexual pedophile activists (And every single person who ever posts that a vote for a write in or third party over Romney is one - no exceptions) are having problems gaining control of the party.

Are words missing from that post - or are you saying that if a person posts in favor of a write-in or third-party vote over a vote for Romney, that person is a homosexual pedophile activist?

39 posted on 08/26/2012 4:11:47 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: BlatherNaut
Sean Bielat who is running against Joseph P. Kennedy III

Isn't this the guy who ran against Bawney Fwank last time around? Let's hope he has more luck.

40 posted on 08/26/2012 4:17:39 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: Bigtigermike

You might want to try finding a credible source, rather then a blog.


41 posted on 08/26/2012 4:22:11 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

You are wrong according to this committee member:

The change, pushed by the Romney campaign’s top lawyer Ben Ginsburg originally allowed candidates to select all the delegates bound to them in state contests. Now it allows candidates to refuse the delegate, requiring another in his or her stead to be selected by the state.

“The bottom line is that the change adopted today essentially allows the Presidential campaigns to pick there own delegates, which makes it a complete insider’s ballgame and allows a bunch of Washington D.C. consultants to decide who does and doesn’t get to be a delegate,” said South Carolina delegate Drew McKissick.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-rules-changes-could-spark-gop-convention-fl?s=mobile


42 posted on 08/26/2012 6:33:18 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

It will certantly make it a lot more difficult for a nommity to hold together a Party and prevent fractures.

I find it interesting in a dull way how some politicians once in office try to bring my unity by means of squashing decent.

Mitt has a lot of bad liberals working for him, men who are no doubt undermining his campaign.

It is very likely that if we are going to win this election and get rid of the Abomination we may have to drag Mitt to the Finnish line yourself. The future of theses “united” States is increasingly at stake here.


43 posted on 08/27/2012 2:30:08 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Kazan

That may be so Kazan, but we are between a rock and a hard place as far as Washington DC is concerned.

No man we send there will ever seriously give up power, it is not in the nature of politicians to give up the very power they run to possess. It is understandable why even when elected on this printable they have demonstratively dragged their feet to the point of failing or simply accomplishing nothing.

In many ways we are dealing with a machine the only differences is the leftist agenda lends itself well to the self-interest of that machine although not in the way Liberals think it does. The difference there is the reason why liberals never accomplish dream with government.

Still if we are to accomplish our goals we must create and enact a strategy capable of achieving that end rather than simply attempting to uses this machine to do that which it is not designed/inclined to do.

That means of course if we want to reclaim our rights, we will have to do it from outside of Washington with self-interested tools in opposition. Regretfully however that also requires overcoming certant historic barriers erected by the Federal Government to resist the same kind of attack upon its usurped power.

It is worth noting that most all of them are centered around Washington ability to uses force. So if we defang the Federal military, and beef up our states Washington;s many tricks become a lot less threatening, and as a result their power becomes a lot more consensual.


44 posted on 08/27/2012 2:48:56 PM PDT by Monorprise
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