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AP-GfK poll: Raise taxes to save Social Security
pioneer press ^ | 8-26-12 | STEPHEN OHLEMACHER JENNIFER AGIESTA

Posted on 08/26/2012 12:42:45 PM PDT by TurboZamboni

In previous polls, most of the options for addressing Social Security scored poorly among the public, which helps explain why Congress hasn't embraced them. But the AP-GfK poll forced people to make a choice: Raise taxes or cut benefits? Raise the retirement age or cut monthly payments?

Democrats, Republicans and independents all favored raising the retirement age over cutting monthly payments. But there was a big divide on raising taxes. Sixty-five percent of Democrats and 53 percent of independents supported higher taxes, compared with just 38 percent of Republicans.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: poll; socialsecurity; tax; taxes
I think this needed a barf alert
1 posted on 08/26/2012 12:42:51 PM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

IOW, current retirees have no problem screwing their kids.


2 posted on 08/26/2012 12:49:49 PM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: TurboZamboni

So the money they steal from you for “your” retirement, because they do not trust you to save for yourself, that they spend on social programs leaving an IOU in your account and that goes to able bodied 18 year olds with attention deficit disorder, Puerto Ricans who are “depressed”, and illegal aliens...is short on money.

Solution, steal more money from you.

Brilliant!


3 posted on 08/26/2012 1:06:14 PM PDT by icwhatudo (This is not a choice between Romney&Reagan-Its between Romney & most radical leftist Pres in history)
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To: TurboZamboni

My SS taxes are almost as high as my Federal income tax. I suspect this is true for most families with income under $100k - there are no deductions or exemptions to Social Security....its just a flat rate, and its pretty high. Count the employer contribution, and SS taxes are much higher than my income taxes.

My SS taxes already eclipse my state taxes (literally double), and that doesn’t even count the employer contribution.

The money supply is fairly finite (notwithstanding some fed pumping). To raise the SS tax would just remove a large amount of money from private hands, which never goes well.


4 posted on 08/26/2012 1:06:27 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: TurboZamboni
Shouldn't the Headline read "RAISE TAXES ON SOMEONE ELSE"? After all, that is exactly what they're getting at.

The “full” SS retirement age should be raised to 70 from its current 67 in one month a year increments IMHO. In 2013, 67 and one month, in 2014, 67 and two months, until they hit age 70. Since I was born in 1953, my full retirement age is 66 years old.

I was diagnosed with Leukemia seven years ago so I decided that I will draw the SS reduced Benefit at age 62. Better to get a little of my money back before I buy the Farm, then take a chance and get NADA. My “estimated” shelf life ends in my mid 60’s unless Big Pharma invents some new drugs. I'll hope for the best, but I'll always expect the worst. Kind of like the November Election...

5 posted on 08/26/2012 1:06:27 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Republicans Hope people are Smart, but Democrats Know people are Stupid.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Let’s see

Current and past recipients get/got more than they paid in

Current workers pay far more than prior generations and will get less than they put in

So the answer is.....?


6 posted on 08/26/2012 1:06:37 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: hecht

How did you arrive at onclusion “current/past recipients get more than they paid in”? I always thought the opposite. You may be right but I never that was the case.


7 posted on 08/26/2012 1:32:57 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: hecht

Or: Let’s kick the can down the road another 20 years and just blame the evil “Boomers”. We told them so. I don’t want a dime back. On the other hand $400,000 in contributions over my working livetime would have been a lot better than DEATH!!!!!

So glad I contributed to the “greatest generation” and the ‘stessed out’ disabled.

Flame away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


8 posted on 08/26/2012 1:33:19 PM PDT by poobear (Socialism, in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: Kickass Conservative
The “full” SS retirement age should be raised to 70 from its current 67 in one month a year increments IMHO. In 2013, 67 and one month, in 2014, 67 and two months, until they hit age 70. Since I was born in 1953, my full retirement age is 66 years old.

I agree, except raise the full retirement age to 78. Remember, when SS was passed, average life expectancy was around 60.

(I won't be collecting SS for several years yet, so this would affect me also.)

9 posted on 08/26/2012 1:47:41 PM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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To: andyk

“IOW, current retirees have no problem screwing their kids.”

Well the are Baby Boomers, many of them.

Anyway, I prefer raising taxes as opposed to piling on even more debt...taking us that much closer to doomsday.

But the best solution, of course, is to make Social Security MEANS-TESTED. Tell people the truth - it was NEVER a savings plan, it was just a tax that you paid - it all went into the general fund and it was all spent as it came in. So IT’S GONE.

That leaves us having to figure out what to do about old people, and that’s where means-testing comes in - if an old person doesn’t need it, they don’t get it. That simple.


10 posted on 08/26/2012 2:23:08 PM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: TurboZamboni
OK, I've leaving this out for discussion.

1) Remove the SS payments from the general fund, put them in their own 'trust fund' like the National Highway Trust Fund. Congresscritters can't touch the NHTF unless it deals directly with road and highways.

2) Take a small percentage (.1% - .5%) of the royalties from new oil production on federal lands and put that directly into the SS Fund (Step 1 in place FIRST).

Just my thoughts.

11 posted on 08/26/2012 2:25:16 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Wait. I thought George Bush Senior saved social security back in 1990???? Why does it need to be saved again? Maybe it never really was saved and we were lied to.


12 posted on 08/26/2012 2:25:25 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: TurboZamboni
I wonder why privatize Social Security wasn't named as an option. The either/or, damned if you do/damned if you don't choice of raise taxes or cut benefits would have probably gone down in flames to a third choice of privatization.
13 posted on 08/26/2012 2:41:36 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: TurboZamboni

I’m sure they didn’t offer the “investigate EACH recipient to make such they are eligible, and prosecute those who aren’t” option when they took the poll.

It would have recieved over 75%, giving the polltakers an anurism.

I’ll wager MY OWN SS that such a step would ‘save SS” for many many decades without any increase in taxes.


14 posted on 08/26/2012 2:46:08 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: TurboZamboni

If I was in office, the first bill I would present is a revision to the requirements on paystubs that show exact percentages being paid into each program, including employer portions of SS, Medicare, healthcare and all other payroll taxes/fees so employee recognize the total amount of outlay their employer has to hire and maintain their employment.

Additionally, I would revise the tax forms so the signatures are actually on a separate page, with a full breakdown, tax rates, and breakdown of everything being paid, both in total paid, and percentage of earnings. The filer would need to initial each line to ensure they reviewed it.


15 posted on 08/26/2012 2:49:29 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: plain talk

well known in fact the first recipient paid 20$ and got 20k back
remember it was 1% at first.


16 posted on 08/26/2012 3:45:13 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: TurboZamboni

It’s an AP poll, they probably polled 50% D 40% d claiming to be Is and 10% R


17 posted on 08/26/2012 3:46:42 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
No they save it for 20 years then they have to save it again. NO ONE but Herman Cain is actually talking about how you fix the system

Until you reform the tax code all any Government will do is "fix" the system for as long as they are in office. "Kick the can down the road" is all the gutless political/media class is willing to do

18 posted on 08/26/2012 3:48:50 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Yeah go ahead and raise taxes to pay for Social Security to give them more to steal from


19 posted on 08/26/2012 4:09:29 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: hecht
well that was a long time ago and those recipients are all about dead. I read more into your statement. never mind.
20 posted on 08/26/2012 4:47:31 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: BobL
make Social Security MEANS-TESTED.

Interested in how this would be done, based on income, assets, or....?

21 posted on 08/26/2012 4:54:57 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: TurboZamboni

More BS from the Associated Presstitutes. Nowhere in their bogus survey, do they give respondents a third option: CUT SPENDING IN OTHER PROGRAMS!

Eliminate the Dept of Energy, Commerce, Education, HUD, AmeriCorps. Cut Agriculture, State, Justice, EPA and Treasury in HALF. Trim some from every other department as well (yes, even Defense). Kick all the deadbeats off SSI, eliminate “crazy checks”. Bingo, plenty of money for SS.


22 posted on 08/26/2012 5:08:22 PM PDT by Libertarian444
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To: nascarnation

“Interested in how this would be done, based on income, assets, or....?”

Sounds about right - income and assets. The idea is to assure people a certain standard of living in old age - so that would work.


23 posted on 08/26/2012 5:48:26 PM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: BobL

So if I refi and pull all the equity out of my house and put the dough in my safety deposit box, I’m sufficiently poor to keep the money coming?


24 posted on 08/26/2012 5:52:23 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: Traveler59

IIRC, it’s also used for “transit”. (choo choos)


25 posted on 08/26/2012 5:52:37 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: ilgipper

What is the definition of payroll tax?

Some say it is FICA tax. Some say it is income tax. And some say it is all taxes witheld from your payroll. Does anyone know what it really is? And why do all the media outlets not make this more clear?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2815461/posts


26 posted on 08/26/2012 6:34:24 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: nascarnation

“So if I refi and pull all the equity out of my house and put the dough in my safety deposit box, I’m sufficiently poor to keep the money coming?”

Like Medicaid there will be a “look-back” period where they’ll check for stuff like that. So it’s better to do it early and get it safely tucked away.

...and sorry, you’ll have to do better than a safe deposit box - they’ll check those too.


27 posted on 08/26/2012 6:37:52 PM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: BobL

Sounds like my plan of marijuana cultivation and corn liquor distillation is going to be the only route to retirement sustenance.


28 posted on 08/26/2012 6:50:43 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: sima_yi; Kickass Conservative

Raising the retirement age is the same thing as cutting benefits. Heck, why not make the age 106 and solve the SS problem once and for all?

Government has made thieves of us all by taking money from one and giving to another. There is no SS trust fund, and people paying in now are going to get screwed. There’s no way around it. The best thing to do is privatize SS as has been done successfully in other countries, but apparently Americans are as attached to the SS ponzi scheme as Britons are to their dinosaur NHS. So, I guess we just go on as we are until the system collapses.


29 posted on 08/26/2012 11:38:29 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: nascarnation

LOL - maybe so.


30 posted on 08/27/2012 4:20:41 AM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: nascarnation

Man living as an ‘adult baby’ is cleared of Social Security fraud

The California man who lives part of his life as an “adult baby” and collects Social Security disability payments says the federal agency has cleared him of wrongdoing and will continue sending checks.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/18/man-living-as-an-adult-baby-is-cleared-of-social-s/?page=all#pagebreak

you should become an adult baby!


31 posted on 08/27/2012 5:23:58 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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