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Fact Check: Social Security ordered 174,000 rounds of bullets, but not to quell civil unrest
The Florida Times-Union ^ | August 26, 2012 | Carole Fader

Posted on 08/26/2012 8:56:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Perhaps I over-simplify but if, after the first two years of the current regime, civilians don’t already each have thousands of rounds of ammunition, those folks are not paying attention


41 posted on 08/27/2012 3:39:01 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: Dogbert41

The pistol I carry daily on the ranch is a Browning Hi-Power chambered in 357 SIG and it’s one of the most accurate pistols I’ve ever shot. I must agree they are loud but not as loud as what I was carring, a Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine pushing 85 grain bullets at close to 2000 fps is an ear ringer. Now before anybody jumps up an says Browning doesn’t chamber the Hi-Power in 357 SIG and they would be correct, this one started as a new Hi-Power chambered in 40. I sent it to Novak’s and had the comp carry package done plus had the 357 SIG barrel fitted.


42 posted on 08/27/2012 3:41:23 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe the term “long term care” for old folks is about to be redefined.


43 posted on 08/27/2012 4:19:54 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There has to be a way to search the procurement database to see if this has been done in previous years. Admittedly I haven’t looked yet.


44 posted on 08/27/2012 4:29:28 AM PDT by SueRae (See it? Hell, I can TASTE November from my house!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If it is to quell civil unrest and the SSA enforcement folks shoot as well as the NYPD did at the Empire State Building shooter, then 174k rounds of ammo MIGHT wound say 5800 rioters or less.


45 posted on 08/27/2012 4:31:52 AM PDT by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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To: Sequoyah101
600 rounds per each of the 295 “officers”?

OMG! It's an arsenal. no one needs that much ammo unless they are crazy and bent on killing people

46 posted on 08/27/2012 5:04:50 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Dogbert41
All government should be restricted to ball or flatnosed ammo

and 10 round magazines

47 posted on 08/27/2012 5:06:48 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51
OMG! It's an arsenal. no one needs that much ammo unless they are crazy and bent on killing people
Oh, I don't know... At about 580 rounds per person -- you can figure...
Carry load (normal & reasonable):
- 12 duty rounds per two spare mags: 24 rounds
- 12 duty rounds +1 in the gun: 13 rounds
Training Load: - Two 250 round training days: 500 rounds
Qualification: - One qualification shoot: 50 +/- rounds

Total: 587 rounds per person?

Speaking from personal experience with normal line officers (not special units or anything), that seems cutting it close to me -- if you are budgeting duty & training ammo. Normally, you would have some extra for remedial training and extra practice for those who need it (and there are always a few who do).

The only thing unusual about this was that I was not aware that the SSA had an enforcement arm. I would have thought they used US Marshall's or Feebs or whoever...

48 posted on 08/27/2012 6:10:35 AM PDT by jaydee770
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep, there’s nothing as terrifying as an army carrying only pistols. The fact that they can be shot and killed at 100-yards and better by opponents with rifles is irrelevant. As long as the pistol-carrying army has ten trillion rounds to engage an enemy at 300-yards, they are invulnerable Rambos.

Battlefield souvenirs, anyone?


49 posted on 08/27/2012 6:11:18 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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I think paul51 was being sarcastic, repeating what liberals say about ordinary Americans having 600 rounds of ammunition.


50 posted on 08/27/2012 6:12:45 AM PDT by DaveInDallas
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
.357 Sig is not that common a round. It can be hard to find and it can get a little pricey, so a lot of people that shoot the .357 Sig reload so trying to buy it up to keep it out of civilian hands is not likely.

Not to mention the fact they specified a particular round. 125 Gr bonded HP. There are other rounds for the .357 Sig besides that one round.

IMO they are buying this ammo because they are expecting something to come down the pike.

51 posted on 08/27/2012 6:12:53 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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“Hubby thinks it is to keep it out of the hands of civilians.”

Hubby may be right, but if this is then “they” are planning something soon as they cannot keep up such purchases.


52 posted on 08/27/2012 7:35:51 AM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: Sequoyah101
Why does SSA need their own officers anyway to protect SSA?

It all still sounds fishy to me.

One or two feral (spelling intentional) agencies with its own armed "enforcement" element is not too alarming. Ten years or so ago the Forest Service put their first "LE" units into the woods. Tongue clucking from the local citizenry ensued, not much else.

As things stand, I don't think there is an agency or department that does not have an armed element.

Our tenders have been dispersed throughout the fabric of "government."

By the way, one of the most boring jobs on earth has to be the guard at the local Soc Sec office. Except for directing the occasional customer to the sign-in kiosk, it is wait for lunch, then wait to lock the doors at night. Start over tomorrow.

53 posted on 08/27/2012 8:31:51 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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But great pension and benefits. Perfect job for an EEO sluggard.


54 posted on 08/27/2012 9:04:44 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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To: DaveInDallas

Yep, you’re right!


55 posted on 08/27/2012 10:43:01 AM PDT by jaydee770
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To: AppyPappy
My son bought a Mosin and it doesn’t extract the spent bullet.

It is a very common problem, especially with the surplus lacquer coated steel cartridges. If you switch to cartridges made from real brass or copper washed steel that the problem will probably go away. It is an extremely robust design, but most of the rifles available were made during WWII and are around 70 years old. They were mass produced under challenging conditions.

You could also have wear, rust, roughness or burrs causing the problem or you might just have some cooked cosmoline in it gumming up the works. The surplus rifles come packed with cosmoline which was designed to be a preservative not a lubricant. You need to be sure you have all of that completely cleaned out. If someone before you was using the rifle before they gave it a thorough cleaning there is a good chance your rifle is gummed up from that.

The other common problem is that pretty much all of the surplus ammo uses corrosive primers which requires the use of a water based solvent after every use before giving it a standard cleaning. If that extra step wasn't done regularly you could easily be having some difficulties relating to rust and pitting.

My suggestion would be to disassemble the rifle and bolt and thoroughly clean, inspect and even polish the parts especially those coming into contact with the brass, spray them liberally with some light oil such as Remington. Then reassemble it and use it with some non lacquered ammo. Chances are the rifle will start giving you good service. They were designed to take a beating and to be used under poor conditions.

56 posted on 08/27/2012 11:16:45 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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This is a 1937 model. I suspected the bullet because it was a weird steel cartridge. He’ll be relieved to know. Thanks


57 posted on 08/27/2012 11:20:16 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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