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If the Birther Issue Comes Up in Debate
American Thinker ^ | August 27, 2012 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 08/27/2012 12:59:06 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome

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To: mkjessup; DeaconRed; sueQ
[sueQ] That vid has been out for awhile and has been totally discredited.

[mkj] Discredited by who?

Yes, since it's a video, please tell us, Sue, who "discredited" it, when, why, and how.

"It's been discredited totally" -- 'Rat mantra 2012.

Please answer the question, newbie.

151 posted on 08/27/2012 2:17:33 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: I cannot think of a name

Love it! You need to send that to the Romney campaign.


152 posted on 08/27/2012 2:29:38 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: philman_36

Manning is a talented speak, but that was not his finest moment.


153 posted on 08/27/2012 2:48:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
...that was not his finest moment.
Perhaps not, but it was direct to the point.
154 posted on 08/27/2012 2:53:46 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: generally

Agreed. But I am also confident that Romney has war-gamed this forward and backwards with every conceivable variation factored in. I certainly would, and I know that man is as least as smart as I am — undoubtedly more so because he’s rich and I’m not.

The thing is, and this is key, I was not exaggerating when I said this is the “total war” card. Once played, he absolutely has to win, and he has to be sure of winning.

As a smoking gun, the forged birth certificate is pretty much as good as it gets. The evidence will not change, the supporting evidence will not change. If Romney rubs America’s nose in it during a national debate and demands that Obama instruct the State of Hawaii to release any and all original records to the public for proper forensic scrutiny, Obama is toast. Period.

But this is also where America is in its greatest peril. It is clear that Obama hates America. He hates what has made America special. He hates what America has accomplished and what it might accomplish. He’s also lied and been facilitated in his lies for as long as he can remember.

What will he do if all those lies are torn away? He’s still the President and he still commands the executive department. At that point, he will have absolutely nothing to lose.

That final point, or a variation of it, is one of the reasons — maybe even the biggest reason — why no major named Republican has been willing to call Obama on it yet.

Chaos would probably result — and chaos, by definition, is unpredictable.


155 posted on 08/27/2012 2:56:30 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: mkjessup

Do you suppose that is all part of Zippy’s plan? We are all focused on the economy (important, yes), but few are paying attention to security issues. We have a carrier heading toward the Gulf, Europe is crumbling, and the Middle East is a bigger powder keg than ever.


156 posted on 08/27/2012 3:03:42 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: lentulusgracchus; mkjessup; DeaconRed; sueQ; Seizethecarp; Yosemitest; Fractal Trader; Plummz; ...
The video in question...here

The President Talks with Students in Turkey 33:12

Tophane Cultural Center Istanbul, Turkey
You know, in terms of my election, I think that what people felt good about was it affirmed the sense that America is still a land of opportunity. I was not born into wealth. I wasn't born into fame.
Background setting, audience members, transcript...

A spoof of his speech!

157 posted on 08/27/2012 3:14:28 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: lentulusgracchus; mkjessup; DeaconRed; sueQ; Seizethecarp; Yosemitest; Fractal Trader; Plummz; ...

No offense, folks, and not that I mind looking into this stuff, but if people actually took the time to look into this stuff on their own we wouldn’t be having these dust ups over trivialities.


158 posted on 08/27/2012 3:25:48 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: lentulusgracchus; mkjessup; DeaconRed; sueQ; Seizethecarp; Yosemitest; Fractal Trader; Plummz; ...
And on a personal note...my ears are bleeding from having to listen through that tripe to find the mark time for everyone. {;^)
159 posted on 08/27/2012 3:33:47 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: mkjessup; TheSarce; basil
a.) Romney indeed has never been asked for his birth certificate.

NOT TRUE!!! I have left messages on the "Romney official HQ recording machine" saying that he needs to show the Republicans his birth cert. at the Convention.

I do NOT want to vote again for anyone, nor allow a nominee that I haven't seen the Birth Certificate for the candidate.

Ever again, EVER!

It should be a Constitutional amendment like not allowing the President 4 terms... bad for the Country.

That mailbox has been full the last couple days... 857-288-3500

160 posted on 08/27/2012 3:48:17 PM PDT by The Bat Lady (Be an election worker to prevent voter fraud Nov 2012.)
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To: mkjessup

oh, mkjessup, just apologize and correct yourself. She wasn’t a whore. First of all she gave it away. That makes her a communist slut.

Mmm, mmm, mmm barack hussein obama.
Mmm, mmm, mmm, black daddy and white mama.
Mmm, mmm, mmm, who was always on her back.
Mmm, mmm, mmm, for any commie who was black.

And that ain’t racist because it’s the truth.


161 posted on 08/27/2012 3:51:12 PM PDT by Terry Mross (To all my relatives and former friends: Do not contact me if you still love obama.)
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To: butterdezillion

He did? I just checked. He didn’t.


162 posted on 08/27/2012 4:00:56 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Steven Tyler
Stanley Anne was known at Ledbedders (sp??) Bar, Hotel Street, Hawaii.

There was a place called Bill Lederer's Bar located in the Perry Block on Nuuanu Ave. and Hotel St. in downtown Honolulu. Opened 1940, closed 1985. I hadn't heard the account of Stanley Anne hanging out there. Any details?

163 posted on 08/27/2012 4:19:03 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: American Constitutionalist
"America ? You didn’t birth THAT !"

That's a honey of a one-liner!

164 posted on 08/27/2012 4:20:59 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: driftless2

Yes, he did. He was asked to verify that Barack Hussein Obama, II, male, was born on Aug 4, 1961 in Honolulu on the island of Oahu to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama. He did not verify those things. The only reason the statute allows for him to not verify a fact on request from a qualified requestor is if he cannot certify that the event actually happened that way. He did verify that those are the facts that are claimed on the record they have, so the only reason left for him to not certify that the event actually happened as claimed is if the record they have is not legally valid/probative.

In the same way, he was asked to verify that the long-form that was posted to the White House website was a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file.” The only legal reason to not verify that is if it CAN’T be verified, because it’s not true. Onaka said some other things to make it easy for people to get distracted (”the information contained in the record matches the original record”), but the law required him to say that the copy was a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file” if that is actually true. And he didn’t.

The presumption of regularity means that unless there is evidence to the contrary, it has to legally be presumed that routine requests were handled in the prescribed way and conform to the requirements of the law. IOW, since Onaka didn’t verify what was requested by a qualified requestor, we have to presume it was for the only lawful reason: because he COULDN’T verify those things.

He can say whatever he wants to in order to deflect the question and distract from his final answer, but the final answer is that he did not verify any of those facts and he did not verify the copy as a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file”. And the legal presumption is that his response was lawful; he didn’t verify because he COULDN’T, which is the only lawful reason for him to not verify those things.

The stuff he put on the letter of verification is all smokescreen. It’s what he DIDN’T say and the only legal reason for him to not say them that reveals all.

Three different lawyers have looked at the laws, the documents, and my legal reasoning and concur.

In addition to that - and this was my first clue that I had this right - the Mississippi Democratic Executive Committee understood this verification the same way, because when they requested a verification after observing Onaka’s response to Bennett, they were very careful not to ask for any actual birth facts to be verified. They knew Onaka could not and would not verify any facts as true, because the record is not legally valid. But knew that he WOULD verify that the claims on the White House forgery match the information that is on their non-valid record. So that’s all they asked Onaka to verify - that the particular claims on the posted long-form are also on Hawaii’s (non-valid) record.

So even the Mississippi Democratic Party’s lawyers understood Onaka’s verification to Bennett the same way as the 3 lawyers I consulted, who agreed with my understanding of the law.

Onaka’s failure to verify any actual BIRTH FACTS (even though those are the claims on the record they have) confirms that the record they have is legally non-valid. And Onaka’s failure to verify that the White House image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file” is confirmation that it is NOT a true and accurate representation of the original record on file. IOW, it is a forgery - made to appear valid when the real record has stamps on it showing it to be legally non-valid.

Why do you think that wasn’t reported in any of the places you looked?


165 posted on 08/27/2012 4:44:41 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Have a nice day sir.


166 posted on 08/27/2012 4:50:22 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: I cannot think of a name

Ooh, that’s good!


167 posted on 08/27/2012 5:03:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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168 posted on 08/27/2012 5:07:38 PM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: DeaconRed
Obama Admits Birthplace

Scroll all the way down and watch the video, It is Obama after he became a Senator. How come it never came out before now.

Obama admits not being born in Hawaii ...Speech apparently made just after his election to the US Senate.

Dude, did you not notice that every time he's about to say something important, the video cuts away from his face? That video is a paste up.

169 posted on 08/27/2012 9:24:42 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
See 157.
And silence followed.
170 posted on 08/27/2012 9:31:41 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

It fit’s well with “ You didn’t build that “ ....


171 posted on 08/27/2012 9:40:43 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; RaisingCain
Okay, I finally had time to look at your accusation. RaisingCain and I post nothing alike. For one thing, he's a self-described "bible-thumping Baptist," who doesn't like Catholics, while I am a Catholic. He likes to personally insult Romney, while some on this thread attacked me because I was against attacking him personally. (I am just against him because he's a socialist who wants to destroy America).

Awaiting apology

172 posted on 08/28/2012 3:09:12 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: DiogenesLamp
Thanks
I kinda figured it was doctored. I knew you guys here would catch it.
I don't trust the fat ass married couple (SNOOPS). They get it wrong a lot.
If it was true FOX would have run with it. OK Maybe they would have walked with it.
173 posted on 08/28/2012 6:20:04 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: driftless2

lol. See ya around!


174 posted on 08/28/2012 11:58:27 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Yosemitest
@I see no proof in that link.

What further proof do you need?
If the video weren't fake then it wouldn't "cut away" when he grabs his upper lip and speaks the words.

And why didn't you post your comment here to me?

175 posted on 08/28/2012 12:22:45 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Because in that comment, i was speaking to Seizethecarp.
Videos "cut away" all the time to catch crowd reaction.
Where have you been all of your life?
176 posted on 08/28/2012 1:02:01 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: philman_36
You know, after thinking about it, I wouldn't doubt but what the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF himself had the video in question produced,
just to blame others of his own corrupt deeds,
and to confuse the fact the HE WAS BORN IN KENYA.
177 posted on 08/28/2012 1:07:40 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest
Because in that comment, i was speaking to Seizethecarp.

That's true, but that comment was about what I found.

Videos "cut away" all the time to catch crowd reaction.
That's true too. However, a "true" video representation of the event wouldn't have cut away at the moment it did as that fake one does. If that video were real then it would have continued to show him on camera just like it happened in the original and would not cut away like it did at 'just the right moment'.

Where have you been all of your life?
I'll take that as a rhetorical question.

...just to blame others of his own corrupt deeds...
Since he's got so many sycophants he wouldn't need to do it himself at all. The incident with Australian David Bomford and his BC is just one example and should give you an idea of that. Look at all of 'the laughs' Obots got out of that episode.

...confuse the fact the HE WAS BORN IN KENYA.
Both of his parent weren't Citizens at the time of his birth. That's what matters the most.

So you'll concede that my reply is "proof" after all?

178 posted on 08/28/2012 1:27:31 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Yosemitest
Oops...Both of his parents weren't Citizens at the time of his birth.
179 posted on 08/28/2012 1:29:34 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Seizethecarp

My apologies. I should have pinged also you since your name was mentioned in my reply.


180 posted on 08/28/2012 1:40:34 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Shoot! ...pinged you also you...

Preview, preview, preview!

181 posted on 08/28/2012 1:42:17 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
I concede nothing.
I have it under consideration, and I'll admit that it IS a strong argument.
But WHERE the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF was born ... is JUST as important
as the FACT ,,, that his father was NEVER an American Citizen.
182 posted on 08/28/2012 1:59:28 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest
To me where he was born isn't as important. There are exceptions for place of birth, there are no exceptions for Citizen parents.
183 posted on 08/28/2012 2:06:55 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

One is not less important than the other.


184 posted on 08/28/2012 2:12:54 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest
One is not less important than the other.
That's your opinion, not mine, as is evidenced.
185 posted on 08/28/2012 2:17:44 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Duh, gee. Ya’ think?


186 posted on 08/28/2012 2:20:59 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest
Ya’ think?
I don't have to "think" it's so, I'm able, through our comments, to know it's so.
187 posted on 08/28/2012 2:24:23 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Is “RaisingCain” an alter-ego you created last spring, lest you get zotted someday, because you both speak in a VERY similar voice? He/she has the snappy, sophomoric comebacks that try to deflect from what is being discussed, too. Or perhaps you are confederates or just of the same personality type? I’ve seen this before here, and I’m 300% sure you’ll deny everything, but anyone who looks back at your posts should see what I mean.”


What’s funny about this is that you’ve never had a real answer for my “sophormoric” [sic] comebacks. You’ve never refuted any argument I’ve ever made, and have always instantly leaped to personal attacks, just like you are attacking this other guy. You don’t actually care about what the truth is on any subject. All you care about is whether or not it carries water for your socialist master Mitt Romney. Basically, you’re no better than a liberal, and yet you fantasize about your nobility and patriotism. It’s all a sham, smoke and heat, dissipating into the air.


188 posted on 08/28/2012 3:34:15 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain
"...you fantasize about your nobility and patriotism. It’s all a sham, smoke and heat, dissipating into the air."

Fill us in on your military career. We're all ears. Most people here are familiar with mine. Oh, and I didn't "ping" you, as is customary here, because you don't deserve that type of consideration.

189 posted on 08/28/2012 3:40:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: nickcarraway

My wife’s company sells eyeglasses and contacts. I think you might need some. Show me where I Howard Stern’d Barack Obama or Mitt Romney. I’ll wait...


190 posted on 08/28/2012 3:48:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Fill us in on your military career. We’re all ears. Most people here are familiar with mine. Oh, and I didn’t “ping” you, as is customary here, because you don’t deserve that type of consideration.”


You didn’t ping me because you’re quite petty, as your personal attacks against others, including myself, show. I did not know they taught you in the military how to behave dishonorably.


191 posted on 08/28/2012 3:57:36 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain
So now you're not only attacking the Republican Party, their nominee and their platform, but the US Armed Forces, as well? I'll give you props for Chtzpah.

You might not know this, but many of the people here are either veterans or related to veterans and military retirees. The site founder is a US Navy veteran. And I take your answer as an admission that you never served a day in uniform, which surprises me about as much as the sun coming up in the morning.

192 posted on 08/28/2012 4:47:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“So now you’re not only attacking the Republican Party, their nominee and their platform, but the US Armed Forces, as well? I’ll give you props for Chtzpah.
You might not know this, but many of the people here are either veterans or related to veterans and military retirees. The site founder is a US Navy veteran. And I take your answer as an admission that you never served a day in uniform, which surprises me about as much as the sun coming up in the morning.”


I like how you hide behind the name of the US Armed Forces, pretending to be nobly offended, after despicably attacking other conservatives because they won’t kneel at the altar of the pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, progressive Statist whose entire family, for generations, has avoided military service.

I wasn’t attacking the US Armed Forces. I was attacking YOU.


193 posted on 08/28/2012 4:57:33 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain

Want my address? I’ll happily give it to you so we can get this over with. I don’t walk so well, but I’m a pretty big fella. Bring a lunch.


194 posted on 08/28/2012 5:27:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Want my address? I’ll happily give it to you so we can get this over with. I don’t walk so well, but I’m a pretty big fella. Bring a lunch.”


You know, you’re not the first MittBot who wanted to settle things with violence because of things I’ve written LOL.


195 posted on 08/28/2012 5:34:55 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain

Feline nickname. I figured as much. Hahahahahahaha!


196 posted on 08/28/2012 5:44:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: mkjessup
Kindly use gratis when you mean "for free" and au gratin when you mean potatoes or a casserole of some sort. This is important, because we must maintain respect for the site amongst the myriad Dem-Trolls who read it religiously every day searching for things to use against us.

As far as the French Post Card Shots of the nude teen taken in FMD's Honolulu digs, it could have been anyone. For all we can prove, they can claim it was Tallulah Bankhead, Ida Lupino, Mamie Eisenhower, Gertrude Stein, or Hanoi Jane.

As far as posing for free or gratis ... we have no evidence one way or the other. Please remembner to vote.

197 posted on 08/29/2012 9:54:10 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Sheriff's Joe's findings: What Obama got from Hawaii, ain't what he showed us.)
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To: RaisingCain; 2ndDivisionVet
Since I was never a member of a military organization, having served in the AF, I am the perfect referee for this fight.

I suggest the Livermore Falls VFW as the most appropriate venue, as there is some clear space in the bar. No biting.

198 posted on 08/29/2012 9:58:10 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Sheriff's Joe's findings: What Obama got from Hawaii, ain't what he showed us.)
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To: Kenny Bunk; Flotsam_Jetsome
Kindly use gratis when you mean "for free" and au gratin when you mean potatoes or a casserole of some sort. This is important, because we must maintain respect for the site amongst the myriad Dem-Trolls who read it religiously every day searching for things to use against us.

I believe your case of premature exasperation was misdirected, I have pinged the author of the statement you are taking issue with.

This kind response provided gratis, w/o invoice.
199 posted on 08/29/2012 10:11:59 AM PDT by mkjessup (Finley Peter Dunne - "Politics ain't beanbag")
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To: Kenny Bunk

I’m over 300lbs. Once I have someone pinned, the fight is over. LOL


200 posted on 08/29/2012 10:15:02 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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