Skip to comments.If the Birther Issue Comes Up in Debate
Posted on 08/27/2012 12:59:06 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome
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[mkj] Discredited by who?
Yes, since it's a video, please tell us, Sue, who "discredited" it, when, why, and how.
"It's been discredited totally" -- 'Rat mantra 2012.
Please answer the question, newbie.
Love it! You need to send that to the Romney campaign.
Manning is a talented speak, but that was not his finest moment.
Agreed. But I am also confident that Romney has war-gamed this forward and backwards with every conceivable variation factored in. I certainly would, and I know that man is as least as smart as I am — undoubtedly more so because he’s rich and I’m not.
The thing is, and this is key, I was not exaggerating when I said this is the “total war” card. Once played, he absolutely has to win, and he has to be sure of winning.
As a smoking gun, the forged birth certificate is pretty much as good as it gets. The evidence will not change, the supporting evidence will not change. If Romney rubs America’s nose in it during a national debate and demands that Obama instruct the State of Hawaii to release any and all original records to the public for proper forensic scrutiny, Obama is toast. Period.
But this is also where America is in its greatest peril. It is clear that Obama hates America. He hates what has made America special. He hates what America has accomplished and what it might accomplish. He’s also lied and been facilitated in his lies for as long as he can remember.
What will he do if all those lies are torn away? He’s still the President and he still commands the executive department. At that point, he will have absolutely nothing to lose.
That final point, or a variation of it, is one of the reasons — maybe even the biggest reason — why no major named Republican has been willing to call Obama on it yet.
Chaos would probably result — and chaos, by definition, is unpredictable.
Do you suppose that is all part of Zippy’s plan? We are all focused on the economy (important, yes), but few are paying attention to security issues. We have a carrier heading toward the Gulf, Europe is crumbling, and the Middle East is a bigger powder keg than ever.
Tophane Cultural Center Istanbul, Turkey
You know, in terms of my election, I think that what people felt good about was it affirmed the sense that America is still a land of opportunity. I was not born into wealth. I wasn't born into fame.
Background setting, audience members, transcript...
A spoof of his speech!
No offense, folks, and not that I mind looking into this stuff, but if people actually took the time to look into this stuff on their own we wouldn’t be having these dust ups over trivialities.
NOT TRUE!!! I have left messages on the "Romney official HQ recording machine" saying that he needs to show the Republicans his birth cert. at the Convention.
I do NOT want to vote again for anyone, nor allow a nominee that I haven't seen the Birth Certificate for the candidate.
Ever again, EVER!
It should be a Constitutional amendment like not allowing the President 4 terms... bad for the Country.
That mailbox has been full the last couple days... 857-288-3500
oh, mkjessup, just apologize and correct yourself. She wasn’t a whore. First of all she gave it away. That makes her a communist slut.
Mmm, mmm, mmm barack hussein obama.
Mmm, mmm, mmm, black daddy and white mama.
Mmm, mmm, mmm, who was always on her back.
Mmm, mmm, mmm, for any commie who was black.
And that ain’t racist because it’s the truth.
He did? I just checked. He didn’t.
There was a place called Bill Lederer's Bar located in the Perry Block on Nuuanu Ave. and Hotel St. in downtown Honolulu. Opened 1940, closed 1985. I hadn't heard the account of Stanley Anne hanging out there. Any details?
That's a honey of a one-liner!
Yes, he did. He was asked to verify that Barack Hussein Obama, II, male, was born on Aug 4, 1961 in Honolulu on the island of Oahu to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama. He did not verify those things. The only reason the statute allows for him to not verify a fact on request from a qualified requestor is if he cannot certify that the event actually happened that way. He did verify that those are the facts that are claimed on the record they have, so the only reason left for him to not certify that the event actually happened as claimed is if the record they have is not legally valid/probative.
In the same way, he was asked to verify that the long-form that was posted to the White House website was a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file.” The only legal reason to not verify that is if it CAN’T be verified, because it’s not true. Onaka said some other things to make it easy for people to get distracted (”the information contained in the record matches the original record”), but the law required him to say that the copy was a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file” if that is actually true. And he didn’t.
The presumption of regularity means that unless there is evidence to the contrary, it has to legally be presumed that routine requests were handled in the prescribed way and conform to the requirements of the law. IOW, since Onaka didn’t verify what was requested by a qualified requestor, we have to presume it was for the only lawful reason: because he COULDN’T verify those things.
He can say whatever he wants to in order to deflect the question and distract from his final answer, but the final answer is that he did not verify any of those facts and he did not verify the copy as a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file”. And the legal presumption is that his response was lawful; he didn’t verify because he COULDN’T, which is the only lawful reason for him to not verify those things.
The stuff he put on the letter of verification is all smokescreen. It’s what he DIDN’T say and the only legal reason for him to not say them that reveals all.
Three different lawyers have looked at the laws, the documents, and my legal reasoning and concur.
In addition to that - and this was my first clue that I had this right - the Mississippi Democratic Executive Committee understood this verification the same way, because when they requested a verification after observing Onaka’s response to Bennett, they were very careful not to ask for any actual birth facts to be verified. They knew Onaka could not and would not verify any facts as true, because the record is not legally valid. But knew that he WOULD verify that the claims on the White House forgery match the information that is on their non-valid record. So that’s all they asked Onaka to verify - that the particular claims on the posted long-form are also on Hawaii’s (non-valid) record.
So even the Mississippi Democratic Party’s lawyers understood Onaka’s verification to Bennett the same way as the 3 lawyers I consulted, who agreed with my understanding of the law.
Onaka’s failure to verify any actual BIRTH FACTS (even though those are the claims on the record they have) confirms that the record they have is legally non-valid. And Onaka’s failure to verify that the White House image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file” is confirmation that it is NOT a true and accurate representation of the original record on file. IOW, it is a forgery - made to appear valid when the real record has stamps on it showing it to be legally non-valid.
Why do you think that wasn’t reported in any of the places you looked?
Have a nice day sir.
Ooh, that’s good!
Scroll all the way down and watch the video, It is Obama after he became a Senator. How come it never came out before now.
Obama admits not being born in Hawaii ...Speech apparently made just after his election to the US Senate.
Dude, did you not notice that every time he's about to say something important, the video cuts away from his face? That video is a paste up.
It fit’s well with “ You didn’t build that “ ....
lol. See ya around!
What further proof do you need?
If the video weren't fake then it wouldn't "cut away" when he grabs his upper lip and speaks the words.
And why didn't you post your comment here to me?
That's true, but that comment was about what I found.
Videos "cut away" all the time to catch crowd reaction.
That's true too. However, a "true" video representation of the event wouldn't have cut away at the moment it did as that fake one does. If that video were real then it would have continued to show him on camera just like it happened in the original and would not cut away like it did at 'just the right moment'.
Where have you been all of your life?
I'll take that as a rhetorical question.
...just to blame others of his own corrupt deeds...
Since he's got so many sycophants he wouldn't need to do it himself at all. The incident with Australian David Bomford and his BC is just one example and should give you an idea of that. Look at all of 'the laughs' Obots got out of that episode.
...confuse the fact the HE WAS BORN IN KENYA.
Both of his parent weren't Citizens at the time of his birth. That's what matters the most.
So you'll concede that my reply is "proof" after all?
My apologies. I should have pinged also you since your name was mentioned in my reply.
Preview, preview, preview!
One is not less important than the other.
Duh, gee. Ya’ think?
“Is RaisingCain an alter-ego you created last spring, lest you get zotted someday, because you both speak in a VERY similar voice? He/she has the snappy, sophomoric comebacks that try to deflect from what is being discussed, too. Or perhaps you are confederates or just of the same personality type? Ive seen this before here, and Im 300% sure youll deny everything, but anyone who looks back at your posts should see what I mean.”
What’s funny about this is that you’ve never had a real answer for my “sophormoric” [sic] comebacks. You’ve never refuted any argument I’ve ever made, and have always instantly leaped to personal attacks, just like you are attacking this other guy. You don’t actually care about what the truth is on any subject. All you care about is whether or not it carries water for your socialist master Mitt Romney. Basically, you’re no better than a liberal, and yet you fantasize about your nobility and patriotism. It’s all a sham, smoke and heat, dissipating into the air.
Fill us in on your military career. We're all ears. Most people here are familiar with mine. Oh, and I didn't "ping" you, as is customary here, because you don't deserve that type of consideration.
My wife’s company sells eyeglasses and contacts. I think you might need some. Show me where I Howard Stern’d Barack Obama or Mitt Romney. I’ll wait...
“Fill us in on your military career. We’re all ears. Most people here are familiar with mine. Oh, and I didn’t “ping” you, as is customary here, because you don’t deserve that type of consideration.”
You didn’t ping me because you’re quite petty, as your personal attacks against others, including myself, show. I did not know they taught you in the military how to behave dishonorably.
You might not know this, but many of the people here are either veterans or related to veterans and military retirees. The site founder is a US Navy veteran. And I take your answer as an admission that you never served a day in uniform, which surprises me about as much as the sun coming up in the morning.
“So now you’re not only attacking the Republican Party, their nominee and their platform, but the US Armed Forces, as well? I’ll give you props for Chtzpah.
You might not know this, but many of the people here are either veterans or related to veterans and military retirees. The site founder is a US Navy veteran. And I take your answer as an admission that you never served a day in uniform, which surprises me about as much as the sun coming up in the morning.”
I like how you hide behind the name of the US Armed Forces, pretending to be nobly offended, after despicably attacking other conservatives because they won’t kneel at the altar of the pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, progressive Statist whose entire family, for generations, has avoided military service.
I wasn’t attacking the US Armed Forces. I was attacking YOU.
Want my address? I’ll happily give it to you so we can get this over with. I don’t walk so well, but I’m a pretty big fella. Bring a lunch.
“Want my address? Ill happily give it to you so we can get this over with. I dont walk so well, but Im a pretty big fella. Bring a lunch.”
You know, you’re not the first MittBot who wanted to settle things with violence because of things I’ve written LOL.
Feline nickname. I figured as much. Hahahahahahaha!
As far as the French Post Card Shots of the nude teen taken in FMD's Honolulu digs, it could have been anyone. For all we can prove, they can claim it was Tallulah Bankhead, Ida Lupino, Mamie Eisenhower, Gertrude Stein, or Hanoi Jane.
As far as posing for free or gratis ... we have no evidence one way or the other. Please remembner to vote.
I suggest the Livermore Falls VFW as the most appropriate venue, as there is some clear space in the bar. No biting.
I’m over 300lbs. Once I have someone pinned, the fight is over. LOL
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