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A look at medical costs in Cuba vs. the US
Yahoo/AP ^

Posted on 08/27/2012 4:04:14 AM PDT by nuconvert

What Cuba says it spends on medical services is a fraction of what it costs hospitals to provide the same services in the United States.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cuba; cubahealthcare
I'd like to meet the reporter that wrote this and laugh in his face.

Anyone have the photos handy of the Cuban hospitals?

1 posted on 08/27/2012 4:04:25 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
Get cancer and turn up in havana central... or marry michael moore you dumb communist drone. (author)

LLS

2 posted on 08/27/2012 4:08:11 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Sarah speaking at the romney convention would be like Led Zeppelin opening for The Monkees)
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To: nuconvert
Because Cuba has only a fraction of the population the United States of America has. Cuba does not have millions of illegal aliens puring across the border demanding free, free, free, health care!

AP get a life you bunch of propaganda idiots! You stooges like Cuba's health care so much, pack your damn bags and move there! You won't have to worry about having the socialized health care repealed, after all, this is the reason for the article, your attempt to convince Americans what a great deal they got in the socialized Obamacare!

Next time one of you ignorant idiots go to a doctor's office, ask the doctor who you are giving your personal health issues to, your personal doctor, or the government the doctor now works for?

Choice? Wait until an 87 year old American asks for bypass surgery and he or she is told they can't have it by a panel of bureaucrats in Washington and they pass away, the family can't sue the government for wrongful death, they are immune under Obamacare, and this is only the beginning until the conservatives smack this crap back to the socialist where this shit came from!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By the way, want to bet Cuba does not provide free, free, free contraceptives and condoms to their citizens either!!!!

3 posted on 08/27/2012 4:18:09 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: nuconvert

There are some pictures here that are not for the squeamish:

http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm


4 posted on 08/27/2012 4:19:43 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: paratrooper82

Bet they don’t have millions of Med Mal lawyers waiting to sue any provider for anything.
Or thousands of insurance agents in every community...

I will gladly pay for any AP employee to move to Cuba so as to enjoy their beautiful health care :)


5 posted on 08/27/2012 4:22:07 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: nuconvert

How much to ‘journalists’ make in Cuba vs. the US. Unlike with medicine, that’s a fair comparison because the quality is the same.


6 posted on 08/27/2012 4:27:07 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: No One Special

Thanx for the link


7 posted on 08/27/2012 4:54:02 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert
What Cuba says it spends on medical services is a fraction of what it costs hospitals to provide the same services in the United States.

But you die.

8 posted on 08/27/2012 4:57:55 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: nuconvert

The next time one these Marxist bozos gets a serious illness, we’ll give them a choice: Cuba or the U.S. for their medical care. I’m willing to bet a lot of money 99% will choose American care. 1% (the terminally stupid) will choose Cuba for ideological reasons, literally cutting off their noses to spite their faces.


9 posted on 08/27/2012 4:58:30 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: nuconvert

What medical care? Even their leaders leave or bring a doctor in.


10 posted on 08/27/2012 5:00:25 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: nuconvert

Bump


11 posted on 08/27/2012 5:01:52 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: nuconvert

Medical costs in the USA were under control until the government got involved. Same with housing costs, and higher education costs. The involvement of Medicare and Medicaid, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and student loans and grants contributed to the huge costs to citizens. Once the gov’t gets involved watch the costs go up.


12 posted on 08/27/2012 5:14:23 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: Navy Patriot
But you die.

I wonder if they include the cost of the AIDS prison camps in their calculations?

13 posted on 08/27/2012 5:20:45 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: nuconvert
Apart from the appalling conditions of the "hospitals" and the fact that for many poor people available medical care is very limited, in most of Cuba there is no EMS system to transport injured or suddenly ill people to the hospital. So if you are hurt your neighbors have to load you into a wheelbarrow, or find a donkey, or perhaps just wait for the bus to take you to the hospital.

The fools who attempt to compare medical care in the United States to medical care in third world hell holes conveniently forget that health care costs less if you don't have to take care of people who arrive alive at the emergency rooms with very serious conditions because our nation has ambulances, EMTs, emergency dispatch, and even helicopters to get the most seriously injured or sick to specialized care quickly.

14 posted on 08/27/2012 5:41:13 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: bill1952
Make sure you remind them to take their own medical supplies. In Cuba if you want a sterile needle you have to bring your own:

"Cuban patients also often bring their own sterile bed sheets, hypodermic needles, food and water."

15 posted on 08/27/2012 5:44:55 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

In the Soviet Union, all patients brought there own bed sheets to the hospital. Those who found themselves in a hospital unexpectedly were often on a bare mattress.


16 posted on 08/27/2012 5:53:34 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

How much do they pay the doctors and nurses?

It is interesting though, that Cuba and the U.S. have about the same life expectancy average - 78 years.


17 posted on 08/27/2012 5:54:46 AM PDT by randita (Paul Ryan is "Mr. Smith goes to Washington.")
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To: nuconvert

More propaganda


18 posted on 08/27/2012 5:57:38 AM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: nuconvert

How many Americans are putting their lives in danger by trying to float from Miami to Havana on a raft?


19 posted on 08/27/2012 5:59:46 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Democrats new name - The Communist,/Satanic/Anti-American Party)
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To: nuconvert

What is the monthly wage for the average Cuban?

Or the average Cuban doctor?

I wonder if this ‘reporter’ (whorenalist) understands how that figures into the cost


20 posted on 08/27/2012 6:01:05 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: nuconvert

Drums beating, nurses chanting, while the doctor dances around you with a burning chicken liver hanging from the end of a stick.


21 posted on 08/27/2012 6:22:39 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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To: randita

“It is interesting though, that Cuba and the U.S. have about the same life expectancy average - 78 years.”

If true, this isn’t that surprising, for a variety of reasons - including that they don’t have many people who are morbidly obese (calorie restriction prolongs life in animal studies - although the mechanisms are unclear), and probably don’t have as much access to the excesses of life that we do in the US - including drugs of abuse.

This brings up a very important issue that I strongly feel needs clarification. Medical care is primarily about quality of life - not longevity. As much as we would love to be able to prolong life with medical care, the bottom line is that it is very difficult to show this for most of what modern medicine offers.

Longevity in society is very much a function of things like diet, exercise, genetics, effective sewage and water treatment, avoiding the use of drugs, smoking, and excessive alcohol, and in many areas of the inner city violent crime plays a role. High blood pressure is a mortality predictor, and being overweight is a significant risk factor for high blood pressure - for instance.

Lifespan didn’t increase in this country because we developed hip replacements, or chemotherapy, or bypass surgery, etc. etc. In specific instances many of these can prolong life, but statistically they do little to increase the lifespan of the general population.

Cuba, by the way, ranks 49th in terms of population with obesity. The US ranks as 6th. Obesity has been, incidentally, increasing in Cuba. Unless stopped this will likely have effects down the road on societal longevity.


22 posted on 08/27/2012 6:29:39 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: nuconvert
I was in Cuba this summer on a mission trip. The “reporter” who wrote this is a tool. The average Cuban makes $10 per month, a dr make 20-30, but a policeman makes $50.

I could see how a reporter or dim politician could spend a few days in Havana and think things are great. when we got out in the small towns the communist followed us around and harassed the nationals we were working with. when they felt safe to tell us the truth a very different picture of Cuba emerged. Rice, beans, and fruit at every meal and almost never meat. They have cows on farms but if an average Cuban got caught killing or eating 1, 25 years in prison; at age 7 kids lose their milk ration. “Yes we all have free health care but if you are rich or a higher up in the party you get better care and don't have to wait”.

23 posted on 08/27/2012 7:01:36 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: freeandfreezing

When my wife was in the British hospital with two of our kids, we were required to brings clean linens. Hospital workers in the UK are often on strike.

I’m one of the few Americans who’ve been treated in a Cuban Hospital. We diplomats got treated in CIMEQ (the top Cuban Army hospital in Havana). I was seen by an orthopedic surgeon,probably a very competent doctor. During the exam, it came out that he made about $35 a month. He prescribed physiotherapy. Most of the equipment came from the east bloc and was hopelessly out of date. I was given electro therapy by a woman whose lab coat covered her fatigue jacket; underneath I could read her “Minitstry of the Interior” name tape. It was a bit unsettling to see armed soldiers and Interior Ministry troops in the lobby. In my neighborhood, I was constantly being beset by my neighbors, asking for aspirin and vitamins


24 posted on 08/27/2012 7:03:38 AM PDT by Ax
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To: fungoking

One thing I noticed is that people there age prematurely, people in their 40s look like they are in their 60s. They all look emaciated.


25 posted on 08/27/2012 7:05:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: From The Deer Stand

We have a winner !!


26 posted on 08/27/2012 7:15:14 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Proper aim of giving is to put the recipient in a state where he no longer needs it. C.S. Lewis)
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To: nuconvert

Maybe if US doctors and nurses would just take a pay cut. Why should we be paying them $100s of thousands of dollars a year to kill us with germs all over our dirty hospital rooms, their equipment, their clothes and their hands? We could pay the $1 an hour like they do in Cuba where hospitals are obviously cleaner.


27 posted on 08/27/2012 7:15:49 AM PDT by ExxonPatrolUs ("Trizzle, trazzle, trozzle, trome, time for this one to come home" - Mr Wizard)
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To: randita
It is interesting though, that Cuba and the U.S. have about the same life expectancy average - 78 years.

Yes, and they also have 100% literacy. In Cuba the marvelous education system ensures that everyone can read. Unlike in more advanced countries even children struck down with terrible diseases or mental retardation can read! (Sarcasm off)

Like any leftist endeavor you can assume that the statistics from Cuba's government are lies. If they aren't flat out lies they use different methods to determine the outcome so that their numbers are not comparable with results from other nations. Cuba reports a lower rate of infant mortality by re-defining "infant".

28 posted on 08/27/2012 9:59:27 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: nuconvert

makes perfect sense to me. a fraction of the cost for a fraction of the treatment.

I would like to see all RATs required to go to Cuba for treatment and obtain such treatment in the same manner and queue as the typical average Cuban. That would be my health care plan for the US.


29 posted on 08/27/2012 11:05:24 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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