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Drug tests one barrier for Eagle Ford job seekers
Fuel Fix ^ | August 27, 2012 | Vicki Vaughan

Posted on 08/27/2012 4:51:04 AM PDT by thackney

While the Eagle Ford Shale holds out the promise of tens of thousands of jobs, many job seekers aren’t making the cut, while qualified workers are facing a bottleneck in obtaining credentials for trucking jobs, experts said.

Employers say they’re rejecting 30 percent to 40 percent of all shale job applicants because they can’t pass a pre-employment drug test, said Leodoro Martinez, who moderated a panel discussion about workforce issues at last week’s Texas Economic Development & Energy Summit. The audience included energy industry officials, elected officials, public officials and economic development officials.

Drug use is “a family, school and community problem” that needs to be addressed but won’t be easily solved, said Sen. Carlos Uresti, D-San Antonio.

Doug Ridge, director of employer initiatives for the Texas Workforce Commission, agreed, saying drug use “is a big, big problem, a major problem.”

The problem isn’t occurring among all applicants, Ridge said after the panel discussion.

“I’m not seeing it in engineers or the professions,” he said, but he said it’s a problem among applicants for jobs on rigs or as truckers.

An audience member asked if students are being told that they could land a great job in the shale — but only if they stay away from drugs.

Ridge cited a program called GeoFORCE, which encourages promising but at-risk students to avoid drugs while showing them the opportunities in the energy industry. The summer outreach program for eighth- through 12th-grade students for now is concentrating only on some Southwest Texas and Houston schools. It’s run by the University of Texas at Austin’s Jackson School of Geosciences.

“We hold that program out as a best practice,” Ridge said. “It’s a very impressive program, but it’s too small.”

A study by the University of Texas at San Antonio estimated that 20 counties in the Eagle Ford Shale supported 47,097 full-time jobs in 2011, a number that’s expected to grow to 116,972 full-time jobs by 2021.

For now, many of the jobs in demand are for truckers. And a pay range of $25,000 to $80,000 a year is attracting many applicants, according to Workforce Solutions Alamo officials. But even solid job applicants are being stymied by the licensing system, panelists said.

The whole process of getting the commercial driver’s license, or CDL, is backed up, said Martinez, who also is chairman of the Eagle Ford Consortium.

The Texas Department of Public Safety is responsible for handling commercial driver’s license applications.

DPS spokesman Tom Vinger said that DPS “is addressing the increased demand for CDLs with our existing resources, and our examiners are processing them as quickly as possible.” The department is expected to continue having to make do with existing resources. Rep. Rafael Anchía, D-Dallas, said that because of budget cuts, he isn’t hopeful that the Legislature will be able to increase funding to help expedite applications.

Vinger said applicants could help streamline the process by scheduling their skills test online.

“The skills test is a critical requirement to ensure the proper certification of a commercial vehicle driver, which ultimately impacts the safety of all travelers on the roadway,” Vinger said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: drugs; drugwar; energy; naturalgas; oil; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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1 posted on 08/27/2012 4:51:18 AM PDT by thackney
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To: thackney

Most corporations require a drug test to be hired. A girl where I worked tried to use her dogs pee. Didn’t work.


2 posted on 08/27/2012 4:54:30 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: thackney

It’s not just a problem there - even here in central KY the company I work for rejects a significant number of applicants due to failed drug tests.


3 posted on 08/27/2012 4:59:36 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (Heisenberg / Pinkman 2012!)
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To: thackney

Sounds like the drug screen process is working, that’s what it’s for. Hopefully employees get screened regularly after initial hire also.


4 posted on 08/27/2012 5:03:59 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: V_TWIN

Just wish they would start the drug testing at 1600 Pennsylvaia Ave. in DC. That sucka has to be messed up on something.


5 posted on 08/27/2012 5:08:09 AM PDT by halfright (FAST & FURIOUS! DON'T ALLOW THEM TO DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION.)
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To: thackney

It’s a major problem out here in West TX also, along with alcohol abuse. Had a major issue with Robinson Drilling last year, the trail of beer cans and ligour bottles going to and from the rig got them kicked out of an 8 well package. Now it looks like their going to be shut down due to accidents, two have already been killed this year and constant visits to the ER are the norm. My wifes the director of the ER. The oilfield is a dangerous place where a mistake can cost you and others their life, ain’t no room for drugs or alcohol.


6 posted on 08/27/2012 5:35:39 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: thackney

I need a pickup, a place to sleep and someone to put me on pilot routes, and I’ll be pretty happy.

Sleep is a relative term though, as I haven’t had much of it for the last 13 years due to endocrine disorders.


7 posted on 08/27/2012 5:39:21 AM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: thackney

“An audience member asked if students are being told that they could land a great job in the shale — but only if they stay away from drugs.”

Another audience member asked if students are being told that they would actually have to get out of bed in the mornings in order to come to work...

(Life can be SO unfair.)


8 posted on 08/27/2012 5:44:55 AM PDT by moovova (OMG...Obama Must Go)
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To: All

Another thing, Texas could hire temporary workers (through an employment agency, obviously) to help with the backlog of people seeking a TX CDL.

Problem solved. Do I get a cookie? A visit from Chuck Norris to give me a thumbs up? No, nothing? Okay, I’ll keep drinking my coffee now.


9 posted on 08/27/2012 5:45:07 AM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: thackney
Drug use is “a family, school and community problem” that needs to be addressed but won’t be easily solved, said Sen. Carlos Uresti, D-San Antonio.

No, it isn't. It is a problem with the person Senator. It is called a personal choice. It comes back to personal responsibility, accountability, and discipline. Families will take care of their own as much as anyone's family can influence them. However, I absolutely do not want the schools and "the community" trying to address issues like this with my tax dollars. If someone is going to destroy their future by making bad decisions that's their tough luck. I do not want you trying to save them from themselves with heavy-handed "community" solutions that restrict everyone's freedoms. This whole notion that issue X is a "community" problem starts leading you down the path to socialism with a nanny-state solution to every perceived problem.

The problem isn’t occurring among all applicants, Ridge said after the panel discussion.
“I’m not seeing it in engineers or the professions,” he said, but he said it’s a problem among applicants for jobs on rigs or as truckers.

Because people have to be motivated and disciplined to get an education and become an engineer/professional. Then they are not going to screw that up (usually) by making bad choices. You lose a security clearance, get a professional license pulled, can't pass a background check, etc. That's it, game over.

An audience member asked if students are being told that they could land a great job in the shale — but only if they stay away from drugs.

Great advice for everyone.

10 posted on 08/27/2012 5:49:51 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: thackney

I have to ask a silly question...

If you are prescribed pain killers by a doctor, and you take and naturally fail a drug test, would the fact that you have a prescription make a difference in hiring?

Just curious, maybe some of our HR freepers can answer this one???


11 posted on 08/27/2012 5:55:44 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: wastedyears
Texas could hire temporary workers (through an employment agency, obviously) to help with the backlog of people seeking a TX CDL

So why would a trucker with a CDL go through a temp agency and loose a big chunk of pay...?

When they can go directly to the hiring company...get a sign on bonus and start soon as they pass the drug test..typically 48 hours later.

Getting a CDL is no mean achievement.....spoke with a driving shool instructer a while back and he told me that some out of work airline pilots were amazed at the complexity and rigour of the training.

12 posted on 08/27/2012 6:00:10 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: joe fonebone

I would expect an applicant that discussed this PRIOR to the drug test would not likely have a problem.

One who came up with that excuse AFTER failing the drug test is likely to keep looking for work.

I’ve hired with drug screening, that was our policy.


13 posted on 08/27/2012 6:02:03 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

So, if said applicant told you up front what the deal was, in detail, the failure of the drug test would not present a problem ( unless it was operating heavy machinery, or driving a truck )....?


14 posted on 08/27/2012 6:05:35 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: joe fonebone
If you are prescribed pain killers by a doctor

So what is the root cause that the doctor prescribed the pain killer medication for...?

Its one thing to get pain killers for a tooth ache while waiting for a dental appointment

Than it is if you have a serious spine injury. or are recovering from surgery....

In this case how you expect to be driving 11 hours a day....?

How you expect to be able to couple up a trailer....and have the physical strength and to tie down a heavy load.

Texas gets hot 110 in summer and North Dakota oil fields gets cold in winter -50 so expect to have to drive in any and all conditions

15 posted on 08/27/2012 6:09:29 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: joe fonebone

We sent people to DOT regulated sites. The drug test would specifically screen for that drug along with others.

Proof of that drug only would not result in failure.

The test gives more complex results than overall pass/fail, although p/f is usually the only information shared unless specifically requested in advance.

We did not have people operating heavy machinery, but they would be walking around in areas where heavy machinery was routinely in operation.


16 posted on 08/27/2012 6:10:20 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
My former company insisted on drug screening. Often, we would hire temps for assembly and production.

Unfortunately, often the pleasant, well-liked ones we wanted to make Permanent, flunked the drug test.

I have no idea what that means, or what drugs were involved, but it was a surprise.

17 posted on 08/27/2012 6:43:59 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (The Google thing is in the yard again. Sniffed the laundry, now it's looking in the septic tank.)
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To: joe fonebone
If you have a legal script for a schedule II or III, you inform the HR person and the testing agency. This will not normally cause you to fail the drug test.
18 posted on 08/27/2012 7:03:47 AM PDT by newbolt
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To: thackney

Not wanting to argue with the safety premise, but the usual “pee” test gives results for past 30 days use. Other than being an indicator of past usage, specific to recreational drugs like pot, 30 days prior use does not affect performance and safety. This point is not about harder, more dibilitating and longer effecting drugs.

In Australia, the standard drug test is a mouth swab which shows drug use for previous few days not 30 days, which is more appropriate for workplace safety.

Like many other areas of how life has evolved in America, many things have evolved from over-reaction to a problem. We need to return to more common sense approaches in many areas not to mention political. The Austrialian “swab” drug test seems more common sensicle.


19 posted on 08/27/2012 7:34:05 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: joe fonebone
Not a silly question at all. Any decent hiring examination would would include asking about any conditions requiring medication.
20 posted on 08/27/2012 7:34:38 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: joe fonebone

“If you are prescribed pain killers by a doctor, and you take and naturally fail a drug test, would the fact that you have a prescription make a difference in hiring?”

An even more interesting question is what happens if you flunk a marijuana test in Colorado, where unfortunately, a constitutional amendment passed by the voters “legalized” “medical” marijuana. On the other hand, marijuana is still a felony under Federal law, even though our Commie-in-Chief publicly repudiated his sworn oath of office to uphold Federal law by announcing marijuana laws in Colorado wouldn’t be enforced.

Nonetheless, there are numerous Federal requirements still in effect that require certain employers maintain a drug-free workplace, and even state law does not require employers to make an exception for so-called “medical” marijuana users. Thus, while “medical” marijuana may be “legal” under state law in Colorado, employers can (and in many cases must) deny employment if marijuana is detected via drug testing.


21 posted on 08/27/2012 7:36:30 AM PDT by catnipman ((Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!))
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To: thackney

Ironically, the applicant knows they have to take a drug test and they can’t stay away from drugs long enough to show clean on the test.
But they don’t have a problem with drugs.


22 posted on 08/27/2012 7:39:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: joe fonebone

Every drug test I ever took asked for a list of prescription drugs being taken.


23 posted on 08/27/2012 7:41:23 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: X-spurt

Our “pee” tests only showed very recent drug use, up to 13 days but usually not that far. Drugs don’t stay in the system that long.


24 posted on 08/27/2012 7:44:35 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: X-spurt
Other than being an indicator of past usage, specific to recreational drugs like pot, 30 days prior use does not affect performance and safety.

I take the point is shows a lack of judgement from someone wanting to work in an industry known to test for it. If you don't have that level of self control, or if this was a short-term passing whim to apply for the job, then I don't want to and will not hire you.

25 posted on 08/27/2012 7:45:48 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: X-spurt
Like many other areas of how life has evolved in America, many things have evolved from over-reaction to a problem. We need to return to more common sense approaches in many areas not to mention political. The Austrialian “swab” drug test seems more common sensicle.

From my standpoint, it is indicative of the massive problem they have finding enough qualified people. There are quite a lot of companies that advertise in the US to bring people to the Australian oil/gas industry. I don't think that is typical in reverse.

26 posted on 08/27/2012 7:48:29 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: freekitty
A girl where I worked tried to use her dogs pee

Doctor: "The good news is, you're clean. The bad news is, you are about to have a litter of pups, you have mange, and fleas. You've been a very bad girl." (swats her on nose with newspaper)

27 posted on 08/27/2012 7:57:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Funny but creepy!)
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To: thackney

Okay, how many people reading the headline thought “Egale Ford” was a car dealership ?


28 posted on 08/27/2012 8:03:56 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: thackney

Okay, how many people reading the headline thought “Eagle Ford” was a car dealership ? No, I’m not on drugs, I just can’t type.


29 posted on 08/27/2012 8:04:52 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: AppyPappy
Our “pee” tests only showed very recent drug use, up to 13 days but usually not that far. Drugs don’t stay in the system that long.

It's common to test for inert metabolic byproducts of THC, which can stay in one's system for up to 30 days - long after the high is gone.

30 posted on 08/27/2012 8:06:10 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Dusty Road
It’s a major problem out here in West TX also, along with alcohol abuse. Had a major issue with Robinson Drilling last year, the trail of beer cans and ligour bottles going to and from the rig got them kicked out of an 8 well package. Now it looks like their going to be shut down due to accidents, two have already been killed this year and constant visits to the ER are the norm. My wifes the director of the ER. The oilfield is a dangerous place where a mistake can cost you and others their life, ain’t no room for drugs or alcohol.

I wonder if anyone is screening for alcohol use.

31 posted on 08/27/2012 8:08:14 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Gorzaloon
Unfortunately, often the pleasant, well-liked ones we wanted to make Permanent, flunked the drug test.

I have no idea what that means

It means that, contrary to the ravings of the Drug Warriors, off-the-job illicit drug use no more dooms one to on-the-job ineffectiveness than does off-the-job use of the legal drug alcohol.

32 posted on 08/27/2012 8:12:42 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

A google search shows 13 days is the norm for a pee test.


33 posted on 08/27/2012 8:17:48 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

They only screen for current use. Alcohol leaves the system so quickly.


34 posted on 08/27/2012 8:23:01 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow; All
"even here in central KY the company I work for rejects a
significant number of applicants due to failed drug tests."
agree..many prospective/current employees are caught in
that personality trap...we lost 30± of them, a few years ago.

35 posted on 08/27/2012 8:27:29 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: AppyPappy
It's common to test for inert metabolic byproducts of THC, which can stay in one's system for up to 30 days - long after the high is gone.

A google search shows 13 days is the norm for a pee test.

I Googled urine test days, and the first result (#5 - http://www.drugtestingnetwork.com/urine-testing.htm) that wasn't about how to beat a test said this:

Cannabinoids (THC, Marijuana) Detection Time:

1 time only

5-8 days

2-4x per month

11-18 days

2-4x per week

23-35 days

5-6x per week

33-48 days

Daily

49-63 days


36 posted on 08/27/2012 8:33:16 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: X-spurt
Not wanting to argue with the safety premise, but the usual “pee” test gives results for past 30 days use. Other than being an indicator of past usage, specific to recreational drugs like pot, 30 days prior use does not affect performance and safety. This point is not about harder, more dibilitating and longer effecting drugs.

I think that the "Hair Test" goes back 6 months, and is comprehensive in terms of looking for various drugs.

37 posted on 08/27/2012 8:37:01 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: thackney

A couple of years ago I was moving some production from Mexico to Ohio and the new supplier was making the same claim. Their Plant Manager tried to tell me that their “drug test” failure rate was so high that they couldn’t fill all of the open positions and therefore could not ramp up to meet my demands. So, I went to their plant to look at their mfg lines and try to improve their throughput.

I walked up to the front door and they had a handwritten sign (in what looked like child writing) that stated, “if you are here to apply for a job and use tobacco products, don’t bother. The drug test includes tobacco.”

Well, duh, when you start testing for LEGAL drugs, you will have a high rate of failure. Especially, when you are in the middle of farm country and trying to hire during baling season....Those farmers chew a lot of snuff when they are working their a$$es into the ground!

I told the plant manager he was a moron and the british stooge tried to hold up the UK health ins model as his preferred methodology....to bad it was to late to move that business..

What is the point of my story? Hmm, well I am dubious of any high rate of “drug test” failures, at least until I know what substances are being included in the testing methodology. That said, I don’t doubt that many perpetually unemployable folks are not willing to give up their drugs for 1-3 months.


38 posted on 08/27/2012 8:37:57 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: freekitty

“A girl where I worked tried to use her dogs pee. Didn’t work.”

I can’t imagine the sight of her wandering around in her back yard chasing fido with a cup!


39 posted on 08/27/2012 8:39:14 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Yeah but I think the source was selling the test. When we were tested, they asked us “What have you taken in the last two weeks?”. It was a random test.
Ironically, we were tested to show “solidarity” with the factory workers. Several problem employees were eliminated, leading us to believe that the results were ignored for valued employees.


40 posted on 08/27/2012 8:41:04 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Lazamataz; freekitty; All
" You've been a very bad girl."
(swats her on nose with newspaper) "
LOL!

41 posted on 08/27/2012 8:41:08 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: spokeshave
What time period does a standard hair follicle test cover?

A standard hair follicle screen covers a period of approximately 90 days, but is susceptible to time variation depending on the growth rate of your hair. The hair sample is cut as close to the scalp as possible and the most recent 3.9cm (or 1.5 inches) are tested. It is possible to go back even further than 90 days since the time period is limited only by the length of the hair sample, but is standardized to a 90 day history.

What type of drugs can be detected in a standard hair test?

Cocaine (Cocaine & Benzoylecgonine), Marijuana, Opiates (Codeine, Morphine & 6-Monacteyl Morphine), Methamphetamine (Methamphetamine/Amphetamine & Ecstasy), and Phencyclidine (PCP).

These five drug classes are mandated for testing by the Federal Government.

42 posted on 08/27/2012 8:42:48 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: PLMerite

I thought it was a car dealership as well, and no I am not high....

;-)


43 posted on 08/27/2012 8:49:47 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: thackney

But even breathe a suggestion that state legislatures require pee tests to collect welfare, and their lobbyists come out of the woodwork.

Result: The taxpayers have to be clean, sober, and hardworking to pay for the leeches’ drugs...


44 posted on 08/27/2012 8:50:20 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: CSM; All
"...wandering around in her back yard chasing fido with a cup!"
*snickering*
maybe a 'rat dog w/ a urinary problem.. or a kitty (here..here.. kitty :)

45 posted on 08/27/2012 8:52:24 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: skinkinthegrass
I wonder if islamics would use goats....

"You have a serious worm infestation, and get a mammogram for mastitis"

46 posted on 08/27/2012 8:57:15 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: AppyPappy
It's common to test for inert metabolic byproducts of THC, which can stay in one's system for up to 30 days - long after the high is gone.

A google search shows 13 days is the norm for a pee test.

I Googled urine test days, and the first result (#5 - http://www.drugtestingnetwork.com/urine-testing.htm) that wasn't about how to beat a test said this: [...]

Yeah but I think the source was selling the test. When we were tested, they asked us “What have you taken in the last two weeks?”.

What about your Google search? What search terms did you enter?

[...] leading us to believe that the results were ignored for valued employees.

IMHO, that's the only smart way to use drug testing.

47 posted on 08/27/2012 9:08:08 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: spokeshave
"I wonder if islamics would use goats....
"You have a serious worm infestation, and
get a mammogram for mastitis"
hehehe..amongst other bacterial / genetic material.

48 posted on 08/27/2012 9:25:32 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: freekitty; ItsOurTimeNow
A girl where I worked tried to use her dogs pee. Didn’t work.

My youngest worked on a railroad in Alabama some years back. The word got around there was going to be a "surprise" drug test, so one of his buddies had his girlfriend pee in a bottle, which he then strapped to his thigh to keep it warm.

After the test results came back, each employee was called in the office. When it came time for this guy, his boss said "I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is that you're pregnant, the bad news is that you're fired."

It’s not just a problem there - even here in central KY the company I work for rejects a significant number of applicants due to failed drug tests.

After I retired, I hired on as a night stocker at Wal-Mart to get some pocket money. I worked my fanny off as we were always undermanned. We complained to the supervisor numerous times and were always told they were trying to hire more. We thought it was B/S and on the last occasion said so. The supervisor said, "OK, here's the results of our last hiring attempt: 30 people applied, 15 responded for an interview, three passed the drug test and one never showed up". Two weeks later, the two newbies quit. I left after three years and it was still going on.

49 posted on 08/27/2012 9:43:24 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: AppyPappy

Our “pee” tests only showed very recent drug use, up to 13 days but usually not that far. Drugs don’t stay in the system that long.
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You can detect marijuana for up to 6 months ,, most drugs clear out in a day or two ... drug testing has pushed some people to use more dangerous drugs that are less likely to be found in a test or simply drink ..


50 posted on 08/27/2012 9:48:24 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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