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Stores would pass cost of ban or fee on plastic bags to customers
NJ.com ^ | August 27, 2012

Posted on 08/27/2012 5:41:38 AM PDT by SMGFan

The cost of a ban or fee on plastic bags in New Jersey would most likely be passed on to customers, representatives from Bergen County grocery stores said. The state legislature is weighing a number of bills limiting the use of plastic bags, including a proposal by Assemblyman John McKeon (D-Essex, Morris) that would impose a ban in 2017. Some stores, like Whole Foods, have already banned plastic bags. The grocery chain, which operates three stores in Bergen County, hasn't had plastic bags since 2006, Michael Sinatra, a spokesman for the company, said.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: grocerystores; plasticbags
And if these local/state politician got to a national level...
1 posted on 08/27/2012 5:41:44 AM PDT by SMGFan
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To: SMGFan

The cost would “likely” be passed on to customers?

Let’s see. Let’s list the sources of revenue the stores have:

1. Customers

Yeah. It seems highly likely that customers will bear the cost of this new regulation.


2 posted on 08/27/2012 5:47:22 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: SMGFan

Wasn’t it the environmentalist whacko’s who wanted us to use plastic bags instead of paper in the first place?


3 posted on 08/27/2012 5:48:49 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: SMGFan
well duhhh !

Dims .. justifying our collective derision at every opportunity

4 posted on 08/27/2012 5:50:46 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Mr. K

Yes, switched to plastic to save the trees. Montgomery County, MD requires stores to charge $0.05 per bag.
Some concern has been expressed of the reuse of bags in that harmful bacteria is retained and deposited on raw foods.


5 posted on 08/27/2012 5:53:11 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Near term Obamacare 'Unit")
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To: SMGFan

It’s truly amazing that taxpayers pay these fools to sit around and debate plastic bags when several CA cities are bankrupt, or, are about to be so.

Democrat governance is like a game of trivial pursuit.

Rabid environmentalism - by any other name - is communism.

If I got to the checkout with a cart full of groceries, and they had no bags, or wanted me to pay for the bags, I’d shove the cart aside and walk out...let the store re-shelve my cart full of stuff.

We can fight back in so many ways, if we try.


6 posted on 08/27/2012 5:53:49 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: SMGFan

This is reality in San Jose. The stores charge $.10 per bag. I shop in nearby Campbell where the bags are still free.


7 posted on 08/27/2012 5:55:54 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Mr. K
"Wasn’t it the environmentalist whacko’s who wanted us to use plastic bags instead of paper in the first place?"

Exactly. That's back when they were saving the rainforests.

8 posted on 08/27/2012 5:57:28 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother
Yes, switched to plastic to save the trees. Montgomery County, MD requires stores to charge $0.05 per bag.

And that's for plastic or paper bags. Even restaurants have to charge for plastic bags, though they're exempted from the charge for paper bags.

When they proposed this, they were trying to sell it as a "fee", though I rightly pointed out it was an excise tax, not a fee, since the government wasn't providing any form of service. Of course, now that it's passed and implemented, they have no problem calling it a tax.

9 posted on 08/27/2012 5:57:38 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Mr. K

They won’t remember or acknowledge that they were the reason for the use of plastic bags in the first place.

It’s all about feeling righteous for controlling the behavior of others.


10 posted on 08/27/2012 5:59:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: Mr. K

I’m old enough to remember that too. They told us that the rainforests and the birds were all going to go away in ten years unless we immediately switched to plastic because we’re running out of trees. Plastic would also take up less landfill space too.

Now, we can no longer use plastic because it’ll destroy the environment, kill birds and take up landfill space. BUT if we pay a extra tax and purchase “reusable” bags, we will be saving the environment? next it will be product packaging like they did with the six-pack rings.

I don’t think these people hold a very high opinion of the human race because they want to regulate how much we can exhale too.


11 posted on 08/27/2012 6:01:38 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother
Yeah, I guess if they ban plastic bags then I'll have to stop using them for other things around the house. So that means I'll have to drive to the store in my Chevy 1500, explicitly buy plastic "trash" bags, and use those for trash, cleaning out the cat's litter box, etc. Yeah, that sounds like an environmental win...not!

As a former grocery store worker (ie. stock-boy, bagger, floor mopper, general do-whatever-needs-doin') I can say for hauling groceries I'd rather go back to paper. Plastics are a pain in the neck (or lower) to get open, rip easily, and their one-size-fits-all approach stinks. We used to carry 3 sizes of paper bags and they had a lot of uses too.

12 posted on 08/27/2012 6:01:42 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: SMGFan

I remember in high school when I was a sacker at the grocery store. The environmentalists were wacko over all the trees being killed by using paper bags. The chains moved to plastic bags albeit because of large cost savings. It only took a few years for the enviro-wackos to complain that the plastic bags were not biodegradable and they were clogging the landfills. Of course paper bags are biodegradable.....


13 posted on 08/27/2012 6:01:57 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: SMGFan
I pull a luggage carrier everywhere I go shopping. I don't care what that looks like. I am not carrying bags.

It's even worse because it has a pink flower flap on top. I originally bought it for my wife but I am the one who is always pulling it. Still, I don't care. I am not carrying bags.

14 posted on 08/27/2012 6:02:44 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (I used to want to change the world. Now, I want to stop the world from changing me.)
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To: Mr. K
Wasn’t it the environmentalist whacko’s who wanted us to use plastic bags instead of paper in the first place?

Oh, that's sooo "eighties".

Time to move on with another moneymaking "save the earth" con.

15 posted on 08/27/2012 6:02:53 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Mr. K
Wasn’t it the environmentalist whacko’s who wanted us to use plastic bags instead of paper in the first place?

Don't try to follow their reasoning - you'll go blind.

Yes, they want to 'save' trees, even though trees are totally renewable. There was an old bumper sticker - "Split wood, not atoms" when they protested nuclear power.

16 posted on 08/27/2012 6:03:44 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Customers, huh?
Has a single one of the impossibly stupid people demanding the return to PAPER bags, ever thought of the millions of people who cannot handle overstuffed paper bags? People whose hands are “not what they used to be?”
The plastic bags I get groceries in have convenient “handles” that can be even be draped, 2 or 3 at a time over a wrist. “Customers” can reach into the cart and remove a single plastic bag, with one hand, and carefully put it in the car (or whatever). I remember paper bags tearing down the center, spilling everything all over the parking lot.
But then again, why should anyone consider the customer?


17 posted on 08/27/2012 6:07:32 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: SMGFan
And if these local/state politician got to a national level...

[groan]

It was the stupid EPA/tree-hugger faction that forced us to go to plastic bags in the FIRST place.

There was nothing wrong with paper ones. Trees are a renewable resource and enrich the soil as they decompose.... and I don't recall paper bags causing anyone to get e-coli like they do now from using unwashed cloth bags.

But that's what government DOES! It bloats itself by enforcing solutions where there is no problem, then bloats itself again by solving the problem the initial 'solution ' created.

And the People fall for it every time.

18 posted on 08/27/2012 6:15:39 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf
But then again, why should anyone consider the customer?

I understand the issue, but what, exactly prevents you from using handled bags for your convenience instead of forcing everyone else to convert to 'your' type of bag? It has NOTHING to do with considering the customer and EVERYTHING to do with using government to have it your way. That holds no matter what the 'issue' is.

No disrespect intended, but it should be up to the business to decide what types of convenience to provide. If you don't like what they provide, supply yourself or go somewhere else.

19 posted on 08/27/2012 6:21:15 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: 11th Commandment

Last night when I went to the store I asked for paper bags. They had a new sacker. It was obvious that he did not have a clue as to how to put groceries in a paper bag. It would be funny if it weren’t so sad. I asked him if he took math in school and he said yes, but it wasn’t his best subject. They are so used to just throwing things in a plastic bag without any thought about how to properly fill a small rectangular space.


20 posted on 08/27/2012 6:55:40 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: SMGFan
Duh!
21 posted on 08/27/2012 7:35:24 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Tantaros: "Plainly put, Romney and Ryan can't push granny off the cliff. Obama beat them to it.")
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To: Joe 6-pack; Mr. K

“Wasn’t it the environmentalist whacko’s who wanted us to use plastic bags instead of paper in the first place?” - Mr. K

“Exactly. That’s back when they were saving the rainforests.” - Joe 6-pack

Yep, and I’ll add that we had to make that move to prevent an Ice Age by the year 2000 (or maybe 2020.) Idiot environmentalists never stop and facts make no difference.


22 posted on 08/27/2012 8:01:10 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: SMGFan

Of course they’d pass on the cost to the customer. Heck, it’s all a part of the overhead of doing business. Everything that goes in to creation, growing, packaging, marketing, transporting goods to the consumer is all figured into the cost of said goods.

I do not know why this is not obvious to everybody. If we were to all go out to grow, or manufacture everything that we normally buy, there would be no time to do anything else, and we would have far less.

As for the bags—there are benefits to plastic and to paper, depending on how one thinks. I’m not overly picky as I reuse whatever we get to transport our purchases from the store.


23 posted on 08/27/2012 9:13:26 AM PDT by Marty
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To: Arthur McGowan

Exactly correct. All expenses a business has are passed on to the customer.


24 posted on 08/27/2012 9:20:01 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: ops33

Actually, now that I’ve oversimplified: The owner, the investors, the employees, the suppliers—all wind up bearing some of the cost. Everybody gets clipped a little.


25 posted on 08/27/2012 9:23:22 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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