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Lance Armstrong doping campaign exposes USADA’s hypocrisy
The Washington Post ^ | August 24, 2012 | Sally Jenkins

Posted on 08/27/2012 8:22:05 AM PDT by luv2ski

First of all, Lance Armstrong is a good man. There’s nothing that I can learn about him short of murder that would alter my opinion on that. Second, I don’t know if he’s telling the truth when he insists he didn’t use performance-enhancing drugs in the Tour de France — never have known. I do know that he beat cancer fair and square, that he’s not the mastermind criminal the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency makes him out to be, and that the process of stripping him of his titles reeks. A federal judge wrote last week, “USADA’s conduct raises serious questions about whether its real interest in charging Armstrong is to combat doping, or if it is acting according to less noble motives.” You don’t say. Then when is a judge, or better yet Congress, going to do something about it? Quite independently of Lance, with whom I wrote two books, for a long, long time I’ve had serious doubts about the motives, efficiency and wisdom of these “doping” investigations. In the Balco affair, all the wrong people were prosecuted. It’s the only so-called drug investigation in which the manufacturers and the distributors were given plea deals in order to throw the book at the users. What that told us was that it was big-game hunting, not justice. It was careerist investigators trying to put athletes’ antlers on their walls. Meanwhile, the Fourth Amendment became a muddy, stomped-on, kicked-aside doormat. So forget Lance. I have so many problems with USADA, the World Anti-Doping Agency and the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) — which is supposed to be where athletes can appeal, only they never, ever win — that it’s hard to know where to begin.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armstrong; cycling; governmentagencies; lancearmstrong; tourdefrance; usada
Well said.
1 posted on 08/27/2012 8:22:16 AM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Baynative; Ready4Freddy; Vision; nutmeg; green iguana

Tour de France ping


2 posted on 08/27/2012 8:24:08 AM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Baynative; Ready4Freddy; Vision; nutmeg; green iguana

Tour de France ping


3 posted on 08/27/2012 8:24:19 AM PDT by luv2ski
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To: luv2ski

He’s a victim of an extended witch hunt by people who were P.O.’d at his victories.


4 posted on 08/27/2012 8:27:24 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: luv2ski

He’s a victim of an extended witch hunt by people who were P.O.’d at his victories.


5 posted on 08/27/2012 8:27:39 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: luv2ski
"I don’t know if he’s telling the truth when he insists he didn’t use performance-enhancing drugs...

There's only about 500 or so piss tests that SAY HE DIDN'T, but they don't count, huh?

6 posted on 08/27/2012 8:27:45 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Iron Munro

Yeah, I think he’s just tired of the fight. Giving it up doesn’t really mean anything because people have long since made their decisions about the man.


7 posted on 08/27/2012 8:29:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: luv2ski

Good article.


8 posted on 08/27/2012 8:29:42 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: luv2ski

Classic lawfare. Keep bombarding your enemy with lawsuits and investigations until they run out of money or just get worn down and give up the defense. Guilt or innocence is immaterial if you can just use superior wealth or resources to grind your enemy down into nothing.


9 posted on 08/27/2012 8:30:35 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: luv2ski

>>First of all, Lance Armstrong is a good man. There’s nothing that I can learn about him short of murder that would alter my opinion on that.

What a dumb thing to say...there is lots of things that I could learn about Lance, or anyone else, that would make me think someone is not ‘a good man’. Kind of makes anything else this dumb author has to say meaningless.

Don’t know if the charges are true or not, but declaring someone innocent/good - no matter what facts might come up - is more than a little moronic.


10 posted on 08/27/2012 8:31:40 AM PDT by qwerty1234
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To: luv2ski

The hate and envy in the some of the comments on that piece are eye opening.


11 posted on 08/27/2012 8:32:38 AM PDT by PogySailor (Obama is a SCOAMF)
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To: luv2ski
This is probably a minority opinion on FR, but here goes...I never have believed Lance Armstrong's denials of doping. I understand that it is a farce that cyclists can't dope when they almost all do, so I don't blame LA for doping. However, I do blame LA for more than a decade of lying about it. I believe the reason he's not fighting the charges anymore is that he knows that TEN witnesses who would give detailed testimony about how they doped with LA would destroy LA’s credibility.

As for the assertion that Lance Armstrong is a good man...I don't buy that. In addition to the lying, there's the fact that he divorced his wife when their children were very young and has since not married a girlfriend who bore his child. This is not “good” behavior. In a country where more than 50% of babies born to women under thirty are born out of wedlock, a sports hero who could marry the mother of his child, but doesn't, is not a good role model.

I'll bet much of the determination to dethrone LA does originate with anti-Americanism and envy of his success. However, I am 100% pro USA and pro-success and I think Lance Armstrong should indeed be dethroned.

12 posted on 08/27/2012 8:34:36 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: luv2ski
Should have hired Roger Clemen's attorney Rusty Hardin.
13 posted on 08/27/2012 8:38:30 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: utahagen

“TEN witnesses who would give detailed testimony”

Have they given that testimony?


14 posted on 08/27/2012 8:39:06 AM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: leilani; commish; prisoner6; stayathomemom; PeteB570; Mom MD; CharlesWayneCT; Domandred; ...

TdF/ cycling ping


15 posted on 08/27/2012 8:40:10 AM PDT by luv2ski
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To: luv2ski

Lance is a good man? There are many in the cycling community who would disagree. Here is the latest example:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/savoldelli-armstrong-made-enemies


16 posted on 08/27/2012 8:40:10 AM PDT by Third Person (I'm in my prime.)
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To: luv2ski

He’s a great athlete and an inspiration to millions. These corrupt sports bureaucrats did not erase his accomplishments. They just turned their own record books into a meaningless farse.


17 posted on 08/27/2012 8:40:49 AM PDT by DManA
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To: utahagen

Please provide documentation of one...just one test out of the over 500 he has taken that concludes he was doping.

Still waiting....


18 posted on 08/27/2012 8:45:03 AM PDT by Herodes
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To: luv2ski; Iron Munro; Slump Tester; cripplecreek; dragonblustar; circlecity; qwerty1234; ...

What was the sci-fi book about the global sport competition to the death where athletes had to choose to “boost” in exchange for earlier death?


19 posted on 08/27/2012 8:48:50 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: luv2ski
Another afflete upon a pedestal . . .
20 posted on 08/27/2012 8:53:58 AM PDT by uddaudd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: Iron Munro
He’s a victim of an extended witch hunt by people who were P.O.’d at his victories.

This is partly the same mob (The French sports press) that said he had an unnatutal advantage because he (now) only has one testicle (due to cancer and resulting treatments). Really.

21 posted on 08/27/2012 9:01:55 AM PDT by llevrok (2012 : This is a civil war, not an election)
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To: sam_paine

There is no way, a guy worth possibly north of $125 million dollars would fold this easily if the charges weren’t true - I just don’t buy it. Much as I hate to think it, I suspect the allegations are true.


22 posted on 08/27/2012 9:03:11 AM PDT by qwerty1234
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To: luv2ski

No doubt he’s a great cyclist. She wrote two books with him? This makes her look dopey. Follow the money.


23 posted on 08/27/2012 9:03:32 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Herodes

You can never prove that you are innocent, and they know it. This reminds me so much of the double-speak we get in our own governement now.

So this is what we are supposed to believe ... Throw out baseless accusations by nameless accusers, hold “trial” in a closed kangaroo court where normal rules do not apply, and judges are not subject to any actual law or factual evidence. What overwhelming factual evidence does exist (600+ negative tests with no positives) is ignored, then declare him guilty of all charges when he refuses to participate ... oh, and have his title stripped by a body that does not rule the event that actually conferred it. I also like the part about how he is supposed to return all the money he won as well ...

Substance abuse and performance enhancing drugs is a problem, but the USADA and World ADA is a joke, except jokes are funny. Ask Alberto Contador. The USADA is a vicious quasi-governmental repository for scum that cannot compete on the playing field so they want to eliminate the true champions so that lesser atheletes can win. Any funding they are getting, public or private, should be pulled permanently.


24 posted on 08/27/2012 9:03:59 AM PDT by RainMan (After 4 years of Hope and Change America needs a little R&R)
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To: Third Person
There are many in the cycling community who would disagree

No one said he was Miss Congeniality.

Many of the elite TdF cyclists are ruthless in how they "lead" their teams and how they treat their opponents. You may know, the top riders often have nicknames given by their fellow riders ---- such as "The Cannibal" and "The Badger". Somehow, those names were earned.

25 posted on 08/27/2012 9:07:29 AM PDT by llevrok (2012 : This is a civil war, not an election)
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To: PogySailor
sad indeed

most people, including many here, choose to believe and accept their own limited knowledge and perceptions of the facts. Life must be so simple and so ignorant.

A champion is revered and envied at the same time. A quitter is viled regardless of the circumstances. God forbid facts get in the way of that little tiny box that so many use to make sense of everything in this world they know nothing about.

Gee was not Sarah Palin a quitter?. Maybe she is found wanting and of course GUILTY from the same folks. Of course we all know she is such a jerk. /s

Anyone watching those Tour events, the skill, strategy and all that it encompassed and then hear others who do not have a fricken clue call Lance a cheat, a jerk or whatever it is that makes them feel good. . . should spend more time extracting their own head from somewhere it appears to be permanently stuck

26 posted on 08/27/2012 9:13:52 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: llevrok

I am referring more to off-the-bike behavior, but the crap he pulled with Simeoni in 2004 spoke volumes.


27 posted on 08/27/2012 9:22:08 AM PDT by Third Person (I'm in my prime.)
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To: Third Person
Help me get this story correct.

Simeoni gets busted for doping. Gets a few months suspension. Accuses Lance of doing the same. Lets not forget that Lance is also sampling but by some incredible miracle, none of his samples turn positive.

So this Simeoni guy accuses Lance of doping. Lance calls him a liar. Simeoni being of such quality character then SUES Lance of defamation in the Italian courts. Now if you have ever been sued in a foreign court, you would understand what a pain in the butt this becomes.

So a few years later, Simeoni breaks away from the pack and joins the lead group, which happens to include Lance. So now Lance up to this point was minding his own business, decides to "fall" back and harass Simeoni.

OK so this Simeoni is SUING my butt for defamation, lying to the world and accusing Lance for something Simeoni has ALREADY been found guilty of and you want to tell me Lance is a bad person for harassing him???

Yesh Simeoni only gets two months suspension for doping. WHY? In exchange to bring down a big name??

This game can go on forever

28 posted on 08/27/2012 9:53:41 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: Herodes

He was more into blood transfusions. Will you be reading Hamilton’s book?

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/iteam/2012/08/tyler-hamiltons-armstrong-tell-all-the-secret-race-to-be-released-on-lances-birthday


29 posted on 08/27/2012 10:02:44 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Iron Munro
The only proof of guilt I can see from the accusations is that Armstrong
is guilty of every possible way of cheating that they cannot prove.

Is an accusation enough to prove guilt now?

30 posted on 08/27/2012 10:04:49 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: utahagen

Evidence (several hundred negative blood and urine tests) trumps testimony, every time.


31 posted on 08/27/2012 10:08:49 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: luv2ski
First of all, Lance Armstrong is a good man

Where is the line between a columnist and an editorial piece? Why not just start off with what she really means...First of all, Lance Armstrong is innocent.
32 posted on 08/27/2012 10:09:04 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: luv2ski

“In the Balco affair, all the wrong people were prosecuted. ItÂ’s the only so-called drug investigation in which the manufacturers and the distributors were given plea deals in order to throw the book at the users. What that told us was that it was big-game hunting, not justice.”

We’re not talking about street drugs, these were specialty drugs created only to fill the demand of a small group of cheating professional athletes. If they had just busted the manufacturers, those rich athletes would have found someone else to supply them. Of course you throw the book at the users in a situation like that, because they created the problem.


33 posted on 08/27/2012 10:13:01 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: qwerty1234

I agree. After all he’s been through, he can’t deal with people testifying against him? If you really didn’t do something, your attitude would be, “I can’t wait to hear what they have to say, and I can’t wait to respond.”


34 posted on 08/27/2012 10:21:52 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: luv2ski

WaPo doesn`t know s**t.

Read what the non-doping pro cyclists are saying. Overwhelming majority say ‘ it`s about time ‘.

The circumstantial evidence is a landslide. Every pro racer knew he was on something.

The non-doping pros are happy. The dopers are bitter.


35 posted on 08/27/2012 10:23:43 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Third Person

Lance was,and still is, a c**t.

A doper. The circumstantial evidence would convict anyone.

Justice finally caught up to this punk cheat who hated non-doping pros .


36 posted on 08/27/2012 10:26:29 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: snowrip
First, testimony IS a form of evidence. Second, the problem with doping historically has been that the doping stays one step ahead of the testing. There was a girl swimmer from China in the Olympics this year whose times were just too good to be true. That swimmer’s tests were negative, but that doesn't mean she didn't dope; it means just that she may have doped in a way that science cannot yet track. (Anyone who thinks the Chinese wouldn't cheat may be unaware that the Chinese government shoots student protesters in the head and kills almost full-term unborn baby girls just because they're girls.) By the time science figures out how to catch up with a particular type of doping, doctors in cahoots with athletes have moved on to doping that is even tougher to detect.

I saw the 60 Minutes interview with Armstrong's teammate. I though the guy was a weasel himself, but I found what he said about Armstrong to be credible.

37 posted on 08/27/2012 10:28:01 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: RainMan

How would the USADA be able to strip champion titles when they are awarded by other groups ? I can see some groups tell the USADA to fornicate themselves.

Just because Lance was very abrasive, does this justify the “Star Chamber” judgment from the USADA to a lifetime ban and titles stripped ?

> oh, and have his title stripped by a body that does not rule the event that actually conferred it.


38 posted on 08/27/2012 10:28:29 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: utahagen

Sooooo... you thought someone you described as “a weasel” gave credible testimony based upon what? Your experiences with Lance Armstrong on the World Cup circuit?


39 posted on 08/27/2012 10:51:10 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: saywhatagain
Details on the Simeoni Armstrong 2004 TdF incident from VeloNews:

On the 18th stage – with Armstrong well-ensconced in the yellow jersey – Simeoni joined an otherwise benign break on a relatively flat stage. None of the riders in the break constituted a threat on GC and most of us know the drill by now: Guys attack, they get a gap, they get chased down and then there’s a field sprint.

Not that day. When he learned that Simeoni was in the break, Armstrong chased it down and stayed glued to the Italian’s wheel. As you might imagine, a break with the yellow jersey in it will get chased down. The other riders in the break begged Armstrong to drop back. He said he wouldn’t do so without Simeoni. Simeoni finally agreed, drifted back to the field and the break went on its happy way.

On the way back, Armstrong reportedly showed the Italian one of those “zip-the-lip” gestures. It was that which caught the interest of Italian investigators. He was asked to meet with investigators in Italy. Nothing came of that interview and the intimidation charge wasn’t filed.

Ferrari, meanwhile, was found guilty and given a one-year suspended sentence in October of 2004. Armstrong then cut his ties with the doctor and, we believe, he has not re-established that relationship despite the fact that Ferrari’s conviction was subsequently over-turned.

Simeoni’s defamation suit – and Armstrong’s subsequent counter-suit – were both withdrawn in April of 2006. So Armstrong is free to attend the Giro in May, without fear of being served, arrested or otherwise embroiled in the courts. We, meanwhile, have that really weird photo from the 2004 Tour for our scrapbooks.

And a link here to an article about Lance's "chat" with Tyler Hamilton in Aspen this year.

40 posted on 08/27/2012 10:53:18 AM PDT by Third Person (I'm in my prime.)
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To: Third Person
I am referring more to off-the-bike behavior

I agree he has lived causes and associated with fellow horse's butts. But he is being banned for how he rode a bike based on those associations and/or how he treated other riders.

Not right, if that is what is behind these charges.

41 posted on 08/27/2012 11:43:13 AM PDT by llevrok (2012 : This is a civil war, not an election)
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To: snowrip
All witnesses are flawed human beings; some are criminals themselves. To dismiss the entire body of a weaselly witness's testimony out of hand is naive. (This reminds me of when Bill Clinton was President and he wanted the CIA/FBI to assure the public they'd rely only on informers who themselves were highly respectable. Most thinking people laughed.)

The language Lance Armstrong uses in defending himself is telling. He rarely says, “I did not dope.” Rather, LA emphasized all the tests he took and passed. I've yet to see sit for an interview and say straight out: “I did not dope and anyone who says I did is lying.” Innocent people use very specific words to directly address charges against them; guilty people prefer to talk about proof and how accuser hasn't submitted strong enough proof. That is why — the 5th Amendment notwithstanding and judge’s instructions to the jury notwithstanding — you can reliably assume defendants who don't take the stand in their own defense actually did something close to what they're being accused of.

42 posted on 08/27/2012 11:45:57 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: MaxMax; saywhatagain; luv2ski; Herodes; green iguana
For those who are interested in the (non-)evidence of the 38 blood samples, I posted a long (and somewhat rambling) post on the TdF thread analyzing the data :

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2899046/posts?page=306#306

43 posted on 08/27/2012 11:55:09 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: snowrip

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2012/08/statement-analysis-lance-armstrong.html

Please read this with an open mind.


44 posted on 08/27/2012 11:55:19 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: ScaniaBoy

Good post ScaniaBoy. Thanks for the ping!


45 posted on 08/27/2012 12:49:13 PM PDT by green iguana
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To: CORedneck

The USADA did not confer the TdF titles, but they are demanding they be repealed, along with every other title Lance has won. If they (the US and World ADA’s) they would simply test for banned substances, do investigations when necessary, and submit thier findings to governing bodies and let the governing bodies determine the proper course of action. Thier job is to be the impartial lab. Instead, they want to be the judge, jury, and executioner, determining the punishment and forcing it to be enforced ... which is why I detest them so much. Imagine if a grand jury took it upon themselves not to just find cause for prosecution, but to pre-try, find guilt, and then insist on the death penalty. Why have trials?

To those who feel Lance should have kept fighting because he can afford it ... no, he could not. To fight it would be a never ending battle that he could never win, which would prevent him from getting on with his life, raising money for cancer and which would ultimatly run him broke. Take a very long, hard look at how Contador was treated ... and the logic of thier 2 year ban when it was clear that his positive test was accidental, and at such low levels it could not possibly enhance performance, and then try to explain how this group is fair or logical in any sense of the word. Now, show one solid piece of evidence that Lance EVER failed a single drug test ... you cant. The only evidence they have against him is testimony of others. So, if he was doing what they said, how come the tests did not find it? Yes, Lance has enemies ... there are those that absolutely hate him for what he accomplished, and will go to any lengths to destroy his reputation. The ADA’s are filled with his enemies, and thier sympathizers.


46 posted on 08/27/2012 12:56:18 PM PDT by RainMan (After 4 years of Hope and Change America needs a little R&R)
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To: snowrip
True and no one has pointed out that he was dogged by the French and every anti-doping agency on the planet everywhere he went. During the Tour de France, they went through the garbage left by the team looking for needles. He was tested after every stage regardless of his place in the GC. For those who say the drugs are so sophisticated, the riders are always ahead of the testers: then why are so many cyclists busted every year? Why were Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis busted if the drugs were undetectable? If they were on Lance's team, why did they test positive and he never has?
47 posted on 08/27/2012 1:56:07 PM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Para-Ord.45
"The circumstantial evidence . . ." makes him guilty!

you speak like a true and proud socialist/communist. Considering thats how the Obama people talk and think about people they do not like. You must be one of them.

The circumstantial evidence of your own words make it so with your desperate logic.

For every piece of accusation and "evidence," countering facts can be made. But of course when hatred gets into whats left of ones mind, facts no longer matter, do they?

48 posted on 08/27/2012 5:10:07 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: saywhatagain

Guy hires Dr.Gun. EVERYONE, under oath, testifies seeing Dr.Gun giving Guy weapons of all sorts. A body is found with bullet holes. EVERYONE testifies they saw the Guy with the gun pull the trigger. Guy says,” yeah well, my fingerprints aren`t on the gun so I`m not guilty despite the preponderance and overwhelming evidence.”

This type of circumstantial evidence gets you CONVICTED in any court of law. Only Lance and O.J. get off.

Ur dumb.


49 posted on 08/28/2012 3:29:27 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

Ur simple


50 posted on 08/28/2012 3:42:42 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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