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Urgent Action Needed… RNC Is Pushing to Eliminate Grassroots Influence
Gatwaypundit ^ | Monday, August 27, 2012, 4:47 PM | Posted by Jim Hoft

Posted on 08/27/2012 5:34:03 PM PDT by eglman

Yesterday, Michael Duncan reported at Freedom Works on a brewing fight in the rules committee of the RNC. Essentially, the Rules Committee is trying to disenfranchise grassroots groups by allowing the party nominee to dismiss delegates and silence opposition. Buzz Feed explained this new rule:

(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...


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1 posted on 08/27/2012 5:34:12 PM PDT by eglman
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To: eglman
...the Rules Committee is trying to disenfranchise grassroots groups

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They (GOP-e) should know thats the short route to a third party...

Just sayin....

2 posted on 08/27/2012 5:40:31 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Wings-n-Wind

Yes it is.


3 posted on 08/27/2012 5:44:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: eglman

Well well, win at all costs? Where have I heard that before? Not surprised, the parties are behind this. Whats that strange smell?


4 posted on 08/27/2012 5:45:48 PM PDT by vet7279
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To: vet7279
Whats that strange smell?

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Don't step in that stuff...

5 posted on 08/27/2012 5:48:40 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: eglman

That might be the outcome. In the short term their goal was to silence the Paulistinians who lied and portrayed themselves as supporting Romney (or others). It probably should be headed off. Letting them act like nutjobs might be the best thing to do... your opinion may vary.


6 posted on 08/27/2012 5:51:47 PM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: eglman

Bloodless coup by a bloodless candidate.


7 posted on 08/27/2012 5:53:20 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Ingtar
My take as well. Throw a plank or two to the crazies, then lock them in a closet...
8 posted on 08/27/2012 5:54:46 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (ObamaCare is an assault on the unborn, infirmed and elderly. GOP, repeat this as necessary...)
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To: Ingtar

Always useful to invent an enemy when you have tyrany in mind.


9 posted on 08/27/2012 5:56:08 PM PDT by DManA
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To: eglman
Well, yes, of course, but it's not that simple, so it's no as well.

What you do when you tighten down from the top is you lose the bottom.

When you give everything over to the bottom the top just goes berserk.

At some point someone will decide there needs to be a parting of the ways. There are options.

BTW, there's something beyond the Republican party ~ there are the State parties ~ all called Republican, but governed under state laws. You can go start your own Republican party, with your own bylaws, and see if you can supplant the current moribund bunch represented by the GOP-e.

This has been done in recent times (As such things go).

10 posted on 08/27/2012 5:57:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: DManA

In this case, it was even easier: the enemy invented itself.


11 posted on 08/27/2012 5:59:54 PM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Ingtar

I’m still sifting thru this so I don’t have a hardened opinion yet, but having went thru the convention process here in Iowa up to the district level (had no desire to go to state after the crap I saw) there need to be some changes made. What we had was a wholesale takeover of the Paulshiveks to get all the delegates for Ron Paul even though he came in a distant third to Romney and Santorum.

I believe at least a proportion of the total delegates should reflect what the people voted for. A candidate should also be able to dismiss a bound delegate who they know doesn’t support them. Romney and Santorum both frankly got screwed with the current process of having to go to the caucus and three levels of conventions to be a nat’l delegate. That’s BS.

I’m not sure that this is the right rule, but at the same time I’m sure not happy with the system we have either.


12 posted on 08/27/2012 6:00:45 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: DManA
Kinda, but in the long run irrelevant. Still, this explains what I interpret as a tendency for this guy and his lackeys to forget that each state has a set of laws that regulate/enable/guide the function of the entities called political parties.

They are different than the sort of thing you get with ordinary non-stock or stock corporations.

Cutting off the grassroots really doesn't work that well in parties.

13 posted on 08/27/2012 6:01:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Wings-n-Wind

How can third party succeed in taking on two parties, if we can’t take over one party???
Ross Perrrrot fiasco again???

Patience and wide assault by TEA drinkers to fumigate RINOs and replace democRATs. Never go back again to commiecrapacy!


14 posted on 08/27/2012 6:04:28 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: Wings-n-Wind

No surprise there, not for me anyways. But the RNC can’t control the TEA Party members of the House. Mitt is the anti obama, not Reagan. We will be putting more of our guys in the House and some in the Senate.
I don’t know if the House leadership will be up for grabs or not, But heres for hoping.


15 posted on 08/27/2012 6:05:27 PM PDT by reefdiver (zer0 One and Done)
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To: muawiyah
The parties within the states are mostly just as bad but much easier to correct.

The Michigan Republican Party (MRP) Credentials Committee voted 4-2 last night to give Mitt Romney both of the state's at-large delegates, State Policy Committee Chair Mike Cox told MIRS today.

Cox was one of two "no" votes on the committee which met via telephone, along with attorney Eric Doster The "yes" votes included GOP National Committeeman Saul Anuzis, a Romney supporter, and MRP Chair Bobby Schostak.

That would put the delegate split at 16 for Romney and 14 for Rick Santorum, after each candidate won 14 delegates apiece in those divided by Michigan's 14 congressional districts.

As MIRS first reported on Wednesday, the MRP was delaying a final decision on the delegate split until after consulting with attorneys.

Cox said that according to the MRP rules, Santorum and Romney should each get one of Michigan's two at-large delegates based on their take of the popular vote.

"I supported Mitt, but the vote was clearly wrong," Cox said of the Credentials Committee. "It's kind of like Third World voting. We published rules and then we voted to change the rules."


Because The Narrative Cannot Survive A Rewrite

It should be pointed out that Saul Anuzis has since been voted out and removed from the national committee.
16 posted on 08/27/2012 6:05:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: All

Maybe this is what Palin was referring to in her last Fox interview?


17 posted on 08/27/2012 6:07:00 PM PDT by Kolath
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To: All

Please locate the phone number of your State Republican Party Headquarters below, call them immediately, and tell them to oppose Romney’s new rules that strip grassroots activists of the ability to participate in the Republican platform process:

Alabama (205) 212-5900
Alaska (907) 276-4467
Arizona (602) 957-7770
Arkansas (501) 372-7301
California (916) 448-9496
Colorado (303) 758-3333
Connecticut (860) 422-8211
Delaware (302) 668-1954
District of Columbia (202) 289-8005
Florida (850) 222-7920
Georgia (404) 257-5559
Hawaii (808) 593-8180
Idaho (208) 343-6405
Illinois (312) 201-9000
Indiana (317) 635-7561
Iowa (515) 282-8105
Kansas (785) 234-3456
Kentucky (502) 875-5130
Louisiana (225) 389-4495
Maine (207) 622-6247
Maryland (410) 263-2125
Massachusetts (617)-523-5005
Michigan (517) 487-5413
Minnesota (651) 222-0022
Mississippi (601) 948-5191
Missouri (573) 636-3146
Montana (406) 442-6469
Nebraska (402) 475-2122
New Hampshire (603) 225-9341
North Carolina (919) 828-6423
Oregon (503) 595-8881
South Dakota (605) 224-7347
Vermont (802) 223-3411
Wisconsin (608) 257-4765
Nevada (702) 258-9182
New Jersey (609) 989-7300
North Dakota (701) 255-0030
Pennsylvania (717) 234-4901
Tennessee (615) 269-4260
Virginia (804) 780-0111
Wyoming (307) 234-9166
New Mexico (505) 298-3662
Ohio (614) 228-2481
Rhode Island (401) 732-8282
Texas (512) 477-9821
Washington (425) 460-0570
New York (518) 462-2601
Oklahoma (518) 462-2601
South Carolina (803) 988-8440
Utah (803) 988-8440
West Virginia (304) 768-0493

In summary:

Step 1: Call your State GOP Headquarters and let them know you oppose the rules change.

Step 2: Contact any delegates you might know and urge them to act regarding the rules change.

Step 3: Contact your state’s Rules Committee members and tell them to SIGN THE MINORITY REPORTS before Tuesday’s session at 2:00PM. This is where you find the list of all the state Rules Committee Members.

Time is of the essence so do your part by following the above simple steps and share this everywhere.

We all need to be RENEGADES GOING ROGUE to make some noise!


18 posted on 08/27/2012 6:09:14 PM PDT by Kolath
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To: Ingtar
Fools don't know who the real enemy is. Hint you'll find plenty of them in the rules committee.
19 posted on 08/27/2012 6:09:52 PM PDT by DManA
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To: eglman
Essentially, the Rules Committee is trying to disenfranchise grassroots groups by allowing the party nominee to dismiss delegates and silence opposition. -Gateway Pundit

The comments following the article add some needed perspective. Here are two...

Gelman commented: "Gateway Pundit is missing the point. The idea is to keep Ron Paul nut-jobs from taking over the convention like they have done at many State level Conventions. They are a loud, tiny minority. What they could not achieve through the ballot box and democracy, namely, to win a single state, they are now trying to disrupt at the convention level with swarms of crazy 'activists'. This should not, and will not be tolerated by the majority."

Granny added: "Yup, my Facebook has been full of posts for weeks from Ron Paul nuts promising to totally destroy the convention rather than see Romney put up as the candidate. Rumour has it RP isn’t going to turn over his delegates either. When I’ve pointed out that splitting the Republican party with a civil war is handing the election to Obama on a plate they really don’t seem to give a darn."

I have a very close friend who is an RNC delegate and a Tea Party activist. This is also his read on the proposed rule change - to keep the Ron Paul zealots from causing chaos on the Convention floor, as some of them are threatening.

20 posted on 08/27/2012 6:10:45 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: muawiyah
Short run too. Looks like the democrat media has maneuvered the idiots into hobbling their own convention.
21 posted on 08/27/2012 6:13:42 PM PDT by DManA
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To: eglman
Same name, same nonsense

July 8, 1964

GOP Warned To Beware Of Extremist May Destroy Republicans: Romney Reject infiltrators and purveyors of hate, said the Michigan governor . . . .

Move the little rectangle slightly up and to the left to see story.

Like father like son.

22 posted on 08/27/2012 6:13:48 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Always A Marine

Raw power grabbers need to have a threat to justify their high handed actions.


23 posted on 08/27/2012 6:16:52 PM PDT by DManA
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To: All

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10151002970950946

Levin Surge!

by Mark Levin on Monday, August 27, 2012 at 5:00pm

Tell RNC chairman NO to undermining grassroots participation in the GOP delegate process and YES to amendments to Rules 12 and 15 in the Minority Reports.

Chairman Reince Priebus’s office can be contacted by phone: call 202-863-8500, then press 9, and then press 4 for the Chairman’s office. PLEASE BE POLITE AND CIVIL AT ALL TIMES.


24 posted on 08/27/2012 6:21:20 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: DManA

A truism, but I don’t think it applies in this case. I initially sided with Gateway Pundit today. But from what I’m hearing from Tampa, the Paul people are planning to disrupt the Convention and create an ugly scene. We need to make sure we don’t become an echo chamber, and make sure we get the full picture lest we abet the wrong people.


25 posted on 08/27/2012 6:24:26 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: eglman

I think the networks are showing good editorial judgement only showing an hour/night of these bs sessions. Why should they turn over their airwaves to be programmed by the party professionals to run their poll test nonsense.


26 posted on 08/27/2012 6:27:07 PM PDT by DManA
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Still... there are those that will refuse to see.

LLS

27 posted on 08/27/2012 6:27:55 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Sarah speaking at the romney convention would be like Led Zeppelin opening for The Monkees)
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[AUDIO] Mark Levin explains the RNC rules change and why we must defeat it

http://www.therightscoop.com/audio-mark-levin-explains-the-rnc-rules-change-and-why-we-must-defeat-it/


28 posted on 08/27/2012 6:30:24 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: reefdiver
In 2010... we replaced a decades old dim Congressman with a new TEA Party republican candidate named Palazzo. It took less than 10 minutes for the gop/e to co-opt Palazzo and his votes.

LLS

29 posted on 08/27/2012 6:30:36 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Sarah speaking at the romney convention would be like Led Zeppelin opening for The Monkees)
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To: eglman

The GOP elites are supposed to listen to the “little people” and the general lower income “rif-raff?”

How dare anyone make that suggestion!


30 posted on 08/27/2012 6:32:27 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Always A Marine

LOL are you listening to yourself? The so called convention isn’t even an echo chamber. It’s scripted, poll tested, nonsense that any American can see through in about 10 seconds. It’s just a commercial.


31 posted on 08/27/2012 6:33:45 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Leo Carpathian
We have a federal republic. One of the practical consequences of that is we have two or more parties in each state ~ that gives us over 100 series, functioning political parties.

As you know the Republicans managed to pick up most of the white Southern vote in the Nixon and Reagan years ~ and you might well ask 'Hey, what happened that caused the Southern Democrats to let that happen'?

That would be a good question.

One of the techniques the Northern Democrats used to dump Southern Democrat politicians and political professionals (the guys who ran the parties in the states) was to incorporate a brand new Democrat party under the laws of the affected state. Black politicians and their Northern Democrat handlers engineered a number of these events, and then at the Convention, and at the biennial meetings they challenged the right of the regular Democrats to represent that state.

The fix was in and next thing you know all the Southern Democrats had no home, and Black Democrats ran the show in a number of Southern states.

Given the fix we have in Virginia at present, this method might work here first ~ unless Cuccinelli and crowd can figure out a way to purge the GOP-e crowd first.

This process can take more than a decade and it's messy. What the Democrats didn't expect was the loss of ALL the white voters to the Republicans.

Still, we have New England as an analogous territory. Most of the local Republican parties are moribund. Even if you tried to revivify them all that will happen is you'll end up with drones in your new structure. What is needed is a total purge of the existing party, it's structures, and its internal rules. Unlike the new Democrat parties in the South, we face little chance of a serious loss of support in New England ~ 'cause there isn't any.

32 posted on 08/27/2012 6:35:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Its 1964 all over again and another Romney is calling conservatives “insignificant”.


33 posted on 08/27/2012 6:37:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: eglman
I'm increasingly tired of these calls to demand action by State or federal government, the GOP, etc.

When I consider confronting anyone over legislation or rules I want to know what the hell I'm talking about!
Since neither I nor anyone on FR can be fully up to date on every likely subject it seems that the requester could provide specifics:

"The party establishment rammed through new party rules designed to lessen the impact of gun owners, conservatives and Tea-Party-types of all kinds."
"The Republican National Convention Rules Committee voted 63-38 to approve a new rule...granting the Republican National Committee sweeping new powers to amend the governing document of the GOP."
"...Romney’s top lawyer Ben Ginsberg, (who) stressed that it would grant flexibility to Romney and the committee to adapt to changing political environments (by allowing) the RNC to amend the party’s rules without a vote by the full Republican National Convention."

At some point in the deluge a GOP delegate did identify two paragraphs or sections but my first reading didn't make that reference suitable for a debate.

No one wants to call their representative, the GOPe, or any wavering congress critter to demand that they stop "denying my impact", or voting 63 to 38 on "stuff I don't like", claiming that Ben Ginsberg can't be a natural born citizen because his name sounds international, or "don't do whatever someone on the internet says you are doing".

Please folks;
Cite the existing or desired condition, cite the action(s) threatening it, cite the desired changed behavior and let me/us pitch in and help...or decide on our own if help is appropriate.

The most recent other such event is/was a California bill supposedly banning removable magazines from rifles, when read, the proposed bill banned devices to convert fixed magazines to removable magazines; I thought that was already illegal in California.
I'm certainly open to learning where or how the legislation affects my M1, M1A1, Saiga, or SMLE and acting accordingly. But demanding action you don't fully understand is very nearly the same level of debate as the occupy movement displayed.

34 posted on 08/27/2012 6:40:44 PM PDT by norton
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, and I am still pissed. Rockefeller said that they had to destroy Goldwater as a member of the human race. But ABO.


35 posted on 08/27/2012 6:41:33 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: DManA
LOL are you listening to yourself? The so called convention isn’t even an echo chamber. It’s scripted, poll tested, nonsense that any American can see through in about 10 seconds. It’s just a commercial.

Of course, it's just a commercial - that's all the national conventions have been since the 1970s! The problem this year is that the Ron Paul zealots want to turn the Republican National Convention into a circus, despite the fact that their guy lost. If they succeed, it will serve as a very poor GOP commercial and will only provide fresh material to the Democrats.

36 posted on 08/27/2012 7:06:27 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: vet7279

I think Lynrd Skynrd had a big hit about that smellback in the 70’s.


37 posted on 08/27/2012 7:07:56 PM PDT by hotshu (Redistribution of wealth by the government is nothing but theft under the color of law.)
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To: Always A Marine

That’s the point. They didn’t lose in many states. Mn for example. They won big time. What’s the point of participating if you win according to the rules but then they change the rules you get kicked out anyway? That’s the definition of tyranny.


38 posted on 08/27/2012 7:10:14 PM PDT by DManA
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To: eglman

Compared to this disenfranchising the delegates nonsense Akin and his little faux pas are nothing. The Conservatives of the party (Tea and otherwise) are gonna be/are pissed. Do they really want to bring about a third party right now? Do they really want people to stay home? Because either, or both, of those scenarios would be strong possibilities.


39 posted on 08/27/2012 7:10:14 PM PDT by madison10
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To: DManA
That’s the point. They didn’t lose in many states. Mn for example. They won big time. What’s the point of participating if you win according to the rules but then they change the rules you get kicked out anyway? That’s the definition of tyranny.

I just don't see tyranny in this case. What I see is an attempt to keep the Paul people from creating anarchy on the Convention floor. I believe if the Paul folks had their way, they would unleash Chicago '68 on the GOP Convention - a real disaster. I just don't see it as any more than that...

40 posted on 08/27/2012 7:37:26 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Leo Carpathian

How can third party succeed in taking on two parties, if we can’t take over one party???


With a new party you start from the bottom and go up. With an old established party that is completely corrupt, there is nothing you can do to take it back simply because the “fix” is in on all votes and they will do anything and everything to stay in office.

Your only option is to let that party die while making a new one.


41 posted on 08/27/2012 7:40:55 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Always A Marine

Others have pointed out that this doesn’t take affect this year.


42 posted on 08/27/2012 7:46:15 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

If true, that’s different. I’d like to see.


43 posted on 08/27/2012 7:52:36 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: DManA

scripted, poll tested, nonsense that any American can see through in about 10 seconds. It’s just a commercial.

Yea, it’s just a commercial. Now is the time for a united front. Polls are saying most people dont know Mitt Romney. And Mitt is trying to win over independents. The last thing you want is someone interupting your commercial saying our product is better. I’ve seen some of those Paultards and they appear mentally ill. They dont call them Paultards for nothing.


44 posted on 08/27/2012 8:55:33 PM PDT by mouse1
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To: mouse1

So we need a united front. So Romney picks an unnecessary fight with the Paulites. That makes sense to you?


45 posted on 08/27/2012 8:58:28 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Does it make sense to disrupt the convention? Ron Paul lost. He wasnt even close.


46 posted on 08/27/2012 9:03:07 PM PDT by mouse1
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Whatever. We’re going to get control one way or another, reverse any such rules, and kick the scum to the curb.

These actions only reinforce the necessity for legitimate eradication.


47 posted on 08/27/2012 9:03:39 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: mouse1

Objection. Assuming facts not in evidence.


48 posted on 08/27/2012 9:04:54 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Gene Eric

Hey genius. You eradicate a faction you don’t get their votes.


49 posted on 08/27/2012 9:06:42 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

So it’s safe to say Paul was your man?


50 posted on 08/27/2012 9:14:12 PM PDT by mouse1
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