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Republicans reach rules change deal to avert floor fight

Posted on 08/27/2012 7:00:25 PM PDT by Perdogg

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Julianne Thompson of the Tea Party says she is happy but will study the language per twitter
1 posted on 08/27/2012 7:00:33 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

I’m not a Paul fan at all but this is as it should be. Elitism has been given a smack in the nose.

It Pees me off though that the elites would even bring up such an outlandish idea. I consider it unAmerican.


2 posted on 08/27/2012 7:12:38 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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To: Perdogg

Just received a similar message from my state senator who is a delegate in Tampa. He is satisfied that the offensive rule will not be instituted.


3 posted on 08/27/2012 7:13:23 PM PDT by Texas56
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To: Perdogg

floor fight? Or no one challenges Romney fight.


4 posted on 08/27/2012 7:15:30 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Perdogg

Did we win?


5 posted on 08/27/2012 7:18:27 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: Perdogg

Thanks for posting this.


6 posted on 08/27/2012 7:18:27 PM PDT by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: Perdogg

Glad that the rule has not been instituted but should we not look at one of the main proponents of this monstrosity - Ben Ginsberg, top lawyer for the Romney campaign! This has nothing to do whether one should vote for Romney or not to get rid of Obama but we should be fully aware of WHO we are dealing with - eyes wide open.


7 posted on 08/27/2012 7:20:06 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Perdogg

That’s a relief AND what a lame-brained idea the original rule was! Who thought that one up?!


8 posted on 08/27/2012 7:20:20 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Perdogg

Malkin’s article was also talking about a second rule change where the party could have a vote to change rules any time they want instead of waiting until the convention. If that wasn’t also blocked, then it seems like the elites could just vote to put the other rule back into effect whenever they want. So the grass roots might be getting played on this “deal” like conservatives usually do.

Steve Deace mentioned another rule change coming from Romney that allows the nominee to veto the party platform.


9 posted on 08/27/2012 7:23:18 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: Bigtigermike

We’re looking at the most leftist RINO SOB ever to run for the presidency as a Republican. He’s already pushing his own version of socialized healthcare. Things are gonna get hot no matter what.


10 posted on 08/27/2012 7:25:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Perdogg
Tea Party favorite Ron Paul

The Big Lie.

11 posted on 08/27/2012 7:31:36 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (EAT MOR CHIKIN)
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To: Perdogg

Tokyo Rove needs to roll up and ... just go away, permanently.


12 posted on 08/27/2012 7:35:19 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

I wouldn’t trust them on this.

They only backed down because Texas and other states didn’t.

This is state’s rights against the federal government.


13 posted on 08/27/2012 7:39:10 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady ("When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Bigtigermike

Right you are! I will not forget this man’s name—>Ben Ginsberg<—


14 posted on 08/27/2012 7:41:57 PM PDT by marygam (#Hurry November 2012, we might not make it#)
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To: Bigtigermike

Right you are! I will not forget this man’s name—>Ben Ginsberg<—


15 posted on 08/27/2012 7:42:09 PM PDT by marygam (#Hurry November 2012, we might not make it#)
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To: marygam

He related to Ruth Bader?

Rot starts at the top. There are a whole lot of RINOs who’ve said and done a lot of distasteful stuff while working for Romney. The one thing they have in common is that they work for Romney.


16 posted on 08/27/2012 7:44:49 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: Perdogg

Mark Levin is PISSED....and a caller said....VOTE FOR the MINORITY report....to save the party and the grassroots....from what I understand.


17 posted on 08/27/2012 7:49:34 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: Jim Robinson

I hope he is not just running to get his face on a coin. He has the opportunity to turn us back from communism. I hope he takes the challenge and does not further communism..

Lenin is truly dead. The same for Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Castro and Chavez are facing their own judgement. These politicians must realize that they are not gods, only deciples of lucifer like Alinsky, 0bama and .....hopefully not Romney.


18 posted on 08/27/2012 7:51:00 PM PDT by MtnClimber (I did not vote for Zero. Someone else did that.)
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To: Perdogg; All

” - - - Frankly, we find it hard to understand how your delegations would be willing to give away their rights.”

And so the first volley has been fired to re-take the Republican Party by replacing the Republicans In Name Only, who insist that everybody tows the Party line: “MY party, Right or Wrong.”

This time we won, and it feels GOOD!


19 posted on 08/27/2012 7:54:44 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Perdogg

Thank goodness. Ben Ginsburg should be fired for attempting to impose such an elitist rule. I don’t expect him to be fired, but he definitely deserves it.


20 posted on 08/27/2012 7:58:22 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Perdogg; onyx; Gator113

I see my best friend is the Texas lady leading the charge to prevent that new rule from being adopted. She is special.


21 posted on 08/27/2012 8:01:48 PM PDT by Marcella (Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Wisconsinlady

I don’t think Texas will back down. Texans are pissed and fighting for their survival to not become another Kalifornia or Arizona. We just slam dunked another RHINO troll when Dewdrop and his millions were sent packing.

I hope they stay pissed and full of vinegar.

Ben Ginsberg, just another pettifogging lawyer. Needs to go.

I think the same of all lawyers, including Cruz, until they prove otherwise and then I still don’t trust them or turn my back on them.


22 posted on 08/27/2012 8:05:28 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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To: Perdogg

Sounds like this has squashed any last ditch hopes of a brokered convention. Part of the “compromise” was that any delegate who did not vote for Mittens would be considered to have resigned his position. I do not know if this means they are not allowed to abstain though.


23 posted on 08/27/2012 8:06:08 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Perdogg
Like I said above, because of rule 12, this is NOT OVER. Michelle Malkin has updated her blog and is calling for the delegates to NOT BACK DOWN AND NOT SETTLE FOR THE DEAL.

http://michellemalkin.com/

Update: 10:53pm Eastern…So here’s the upshot. As you read above in Drew’s summary, grass-roots activists revolted over Rule 15 (the delegate selection provision to be renumbered Rule 16) and Rule 12 (the power grab that would allow the RNC to make executive convention rule changes and rewrite the rules between conventions without any input/consultation with grass-roots, delegates, or state leadership on hand).

A source tells me the situation on the ground and in delegate meetings right now is “tense” and “dynamic.”

As long as the proposed Rule 12 remains in place, this “deal” or “compromise” should be a no-go. Don’t back down, activists!

24 posted on 08/27/2012 8:07:18 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: JediJones
The Rule Change is still NO good. It still takes away the power of a delegate to nominate or vote for the best candidate. It says that if a delegate votes for anyone who the state party rules (as determined by an unstated entity), then they shall be removed as a delegate, and there vote will be counted as a vote for the person they voted against anyway. Not very democratic. This basically allows state party bosses to choose the delegates when it should be the grass roots republicans deciding this. Here is the text of the proposed "improvement":

Rule 16(a)(2). For any manner of binding or allocating delegates under these Rules, if a delegate

(i) casts a vote for a presidential candidate at the National Convention inconsistent with the delegate’s obligation under state law or state party rule,

(ii) nominates or demonstrates support under Rule 40 for a presidential candidate other than the one to whom the delegate is bound or allocated under state law or state party rule, or (iii) fails in some other way to carry out the delegate’s affirmative duty under state law or state party rule to cast a vote at the National Convention for a particular presidential candidate,the delegate shall be deemed to have concurrently resigned as a delegate and the delegate’s improper vote or nomination shall be null and void. Thereafter the Secretary of the Convention shall record the delegate’s vote or nomination in accordance with the delegate’s obligation under state law or state party rule. This subsection does not apply to delegates who are bound to a candidate who has withdrawn his or her candidacy, suspended or terminated his or her campaign, or publicly released his or her delegates.

25 posted on 08/27/2012 8:08:24 PM PDT by old republic
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To: Jim Robinson

See my post 21. She (with my encouragement) will save you from Romney trying to take over the party. He wants this for his next run, so he can pick the delegates. He is shrewd and evil.


26 posted on 08/27/2012 8:09:02 PM PDT by Marcella (Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Marcella

She is quite attractive.


27 posted on 08/27/2012 8:10:33 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Marcella
What total paranoid overkill. What incumbent President has to worry about an attack from his own party?

Unless he knows what he as planned will appall his own party.

He wants this for his next run, so he can pick the delegates

28 posted on 08/27/2012 8:16:56 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Gator113

Without her help, I couldn’t have had my two cataract surgeries. If she is your friend, she is your friend all the way and forever. The most loyal person I ever knew.

Oh, yes, and when my house flooded a few weeks ago, it was her family who helped me.

She is like that with all her friends.


29 posted on 08/27/2012 8:17:05 PM PDT by Marcella (Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Texas56

Not so. It takes six states to get a roll call vote, and that’s with hoping the Minority Report is accepted. Conservatives are scrambling now to even inform all the grassroots delegates of what was crammed down on the quiet. It is done already and calls now for ammendments to Rule 12 and 15. Cspan will be covering a floor fight tomorrow when the Rules are presented to convention delegates.


30 posted on 08/27/2012 8:27:52 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: JediJones

We have to keep fighting over rule 12 that hasn’t been rescinded yet


31 posted on 08/27/2012 8:33:55 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Marcella

She sounds like a very nice lady.


32 posted on 08/27/2012 8:36:17 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Jim Robinson

I am freaking out! Ben Ginsberg belongs to Romney. This comes from Romney. This is the task of a tyrant to seal his future and eliminate opposition to the obvious, his sorry record, Massachusetts redux to be implemented.

This can’t stand, and makes one wonder if Romney even WANTS to be elected while he burns his own voters to ashes! Has he been threatened, or is this Marxist manipulation for real?


33 posted on 08/27/2012 8:41:10 PM PDT by RitaOK
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Obvious many unhappy with primary results expect a childish do-over and/or power-sharing -

Losers demanding “a piece of da action” or else -

I have already arranged to trigger my positions so that I shall profit well either way in November - and through January with the likely land mines if the left loses -

As for my personal wish - it is that those “useful idiots” of Obama on FR and elsewhere are crushed by Obama if he wins -

I just received a statement today that shows my strategy has worked wonderfully again this last month and I have fine-tuned it and added even more aggression to it now -

All the Paulistas, liberterian druggies, and 3rd party fools can and will dream the impossible dreams of a Fairy Princess, Pope, or bloated “big idea” has-been with serial zipper control problemos that will forfill their fondest dreams and waste their remaining days and futures -

So go vote for Obama and get over yourselves - keep on taking a leak upstream -

I shall just keep it simple and concentrate on counting cards and reading the tea leaves.....

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35 posted on 08/27/2012 8:50:55 PM PDT by devolve (------------------- ammo bans or limits? - Lee Harvey Oswald only needed 2 or 3 cartridges ---------)
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To: old republic

“still takes away the power of a delegate to nominate or vote for the best candidate. It says that if a delegate votes for anyone who the state party rules (as determined by an unstated entity), then they shall be removed as a delegate..”

primary winners have their delegates bound, ie, required to vote for the candidate based on who won the primary. The rule to allow candidates to remove delegates was overkill, but the problem being addressed was the RonPaul-ite problem of delegates stiffing the winner of the primary and refusing to do what is required by the rules. Removing a delegate who does not do what party rules REQUIRE of them seems a sensible solution to this problem.

“Not very democratic.” By forcing respect for results of primaries, it is actually more democratic than having an activist minority ‘take over’ delegate slates and then stiffing primary winners and refusing to abide by party rules regarding who they are to support in nomination.


36 posted on 08/27/2012 8:55:24 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: Perdogg

Update: 11:53pm Eastern Sarah Palin weighs in while campaigning on the road in Arizona.

From her Facebook page:

We have to remember that this election is not just about replacing the party in power. It’s about who and what we replace it with. Grassroots conservatives know this. Without the energy and wisdom of the grassroots, the GOP would not have had the historic 2010 electoral victories. That’s why the controversial rule change being debated at the RNC convention right now is so very disappointing. It’s a direct attack on grassroots activists by the GOP establishment, and it must be rejected.


37 posted on 08/27/2012 9:06:23 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: devolve


Obvious many unhappy with primary results expect a childish do-over and/or power-sharing -

Losers demanding “a piece of da action” or else -

I have already arranged to trigger my positions so that I shall profit well either way in November - and through January with the likely land mines if the left loses -

As for my personal wish - it is that those “useful idiots” of Obama on FR and elsewhere are crushed by Obama if he wins -

I just received a statement today that shows my strategy has worked wonderfully again this last month and I have fine-tuned it and added even more aggression to it now -

All the Paulistas, liberterian druggies, and 3rd party fools can and will dream the impossible dreams of a Fairy Princess, Pope, or bloated “big idea” has-been with serial zipper control problemos that will forfill their fondest dreams and waste their remaining days and futures -

So go vote for Obama and get over yourselves - keep on taking a leak upstream - I shall just keep it simple and concentrate on counting cards and reading the tea leaves....







38 posted on 08/27/2012 9:07:42 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Marcella

Willard

He is shrewd and evil.
___________________________________

and definitely unAmerican...


39 posted on 08/27/2012 9:53:55 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Sequoyah101

Put it right, these “elites” are simply following their new leader Mittens


40 posted on 08/27/2012 10:02:07 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: JediJones

did you think Romney would bring us conservatism?

How long ago was it when he told Planned Parenthood he wants to push the right-wing out of the party??

he still does.


41 posted on 08/27/2012 10:06:39 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL
did you think Romney would bring us conservatism?

Nope, I campaigned against Romney and for Gingrich.

42 posted on 08/27/2012 10:09:19 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: WOSG
“Not very democratic.” By forcing respect for results of primaries, it is actually more democratic than having an activist minority ‘take over’ delegate slates and then stiffing primary winners and refusing to abide by party rules regarding who they are to support in nomination.

As I understand it, every state has different rules on whether delegates are "bound" to vote for a specific candidate. Some are only bound on the first vote, then can vote for who they choose. Once again, it's a states' rights issue. The GOP shouldn't be dictating to the states what their delegates can do at the convention. And if you don't like how your state does it, you can take up the issue with them.

43 posted on 08/27/2012 10:12:26 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: WOSG
By forcing respect for results of primaries, it is actually more democratic than having an activist minority ‘take over’ delegate slates and then stiffing primary winners and refusing to abide by party rules regarding who they are to support in nomination.

Actually, it doesn't force the delegates to respect the primary results. It forces the delegates to respect the state party rules which may be created by the state party bosses to disenfranchise a non-establishment candidate. It may also run afoul of federal law which, if I recall correctly, prohibits the binding of delegates at conventions by anyone.

What is the point of electing delegates if their only job is to sit down and shut up. The delegates will have the right to do as they're told, and then pray that Romney or any other future nominee don't use the monarchical power they granted themselves to veto the platform points that they don't like anyway. If the party doesn't like the way way the delegate system worked this cycle, then they shouldn't hold a caucus and a primary in the same state in the same election cycle. Why did the GOP bind all delegates in some states to the caucuses and then still hold a primary that didn't legally matter?

The problem here is not that delegates won't vote for the person they were pledged too. The problem is that some states hold both caucuses and primaries and that when this happens the primary has no legal role in the selection of delegates. These different electoral methods result in a different electoral outcome. Both systems are legitimate, but If the GOP bosses don't want a contradiction between the Caucus and primary results they should either give both the caucus and primary some legally binding role in the delegate selection process, or the party should use one of these methods but not both.

It is ridiculous to hold a binding caucus while then holding a non-binding primary that has no influence on the delegate selection process and then complain that the caucus results didn't reflect the primary results. It is wrong to muzzle the delegates freedom of choice. What they should do is fix the process of delegate selection.

It is wrong to pass rules binding delegates to do as the party bosses want. What's the point of having slave delegates? (Let's say something scandalous came out on the presumed party nominee during or just before the convention?) Under these new rules, nearly the entire convention could be in agreement and vote against the candidate, but he would still win the nomination, because under these proposed rules the convention secretary would have to count all of the national delegates votes for the scandalous nominee. The GOP's nominee should be elected by fairly elected delegates who give their consent at the convention willingly, not by compulsion.

44 posted on 08/27/2012 10:31:44 PM PDT by old republic
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To: MtnClimber
These politicians must realize that they are not gods, only deciples of lucifer like Alinsky, 0bama and .....hopefully not Romney.

You mean Mitt "I'm-a-god-in-embryo" Romney? That Romney?

45 posted on 08/27/2012 10:54:06 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Perdogg

bump


46 posted on 08/27/2012 11:13:26 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Perdogg
It's a real shame that the sheep have so many wolves in their midst.

The sheep would like nothing more than to simply be able to leisurely eat the grass in the pasture yet, instead, they know they have to constantly be on alert.

It's also good to see the sheepdogs are doing their job well.

47 posted on 08/27/2012 11:44:34 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: old republic
It may also run afoul of federal law which, if I recall correctly, prohibits the binding of delegates at conventions by anyone.

No such law applies to primary Conventions.
The actual vote casting by the States in the actual election is another matter

What is the point of electing delegates if their only job is to sit down and shut up.

They are selected not elected.
A fine point to be sure, but a very important one

48 posted on 08/28/2012 2:24:59 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952

Mr. RomneyCARE is a cheater.
These are the plans of a cheater.

The author of DeathPanels is not even
the candidate as yet. How dare he try to change
the rules (ie. cheat) again.
But then again, it is his ONLY m.o.,
and it is the only thing from which he does not flipflop.


49 posted on 08/28/2012 3:54:14 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session."- Mark Twain)
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To: goodnesswins

When is Mark Levin NOT pizzed...;-)


50 posted on 08/28/2012 5:10:44 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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