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Bill Nye the Science Guy says creationism not good for kids
Reuters ^ | August 28, 2012 | Lily Kuo

Posted on 08/28/2012 3:39:34 AM PDT by rickmichaels

Scientist and children’s television personality Bill Nye, in a newly released online video, panned biblical creationism and implored American parents who reject the scientific theory of evolution not to teach their beliefs to their youngsters.

“I say to the grownups, ’If you want to deny evolution and live in your world that’s completely inconsistent with everything we’ve observed in the universe that’s fine. But don’t make your kids do it,’” said Nye, best known as host of the educational TV series “Bill Nye the Science Guy.”

The video, titled “Creationism Is Not Appropriate for Children,” was posted on Thursday by the online knowledge forum Big Think to YouTube and had netted more than 1.3 million views as of Monday.

In it Nye said widespread public doubt in the scientific concept of evolution — which holds that human beings and all other forms of life developed from a process of random genetic mutation and natural selection — would hinder a country long renowned for its innovation, intellectual capital and a general grasp of science.

“When you have a portion of the population that doesn’t believe in (evolution) it holds everybody back, really,” he said.

According to a Gallup poll that surveyed 1,012 adults in May, 46 percent of Americans can be described as creationists for believing that God created humans in their present form at some point within the last 10,000 years.

Education advocates have argued for decades over what children should be taught in public schools in regard to the formation of the universe, life and humans.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1987 that requiring biblical creation to be taught in public schools alongside evolution was unconstitutional as a violation of the First Amendment separation between church and state.

In April, a law was passed that protects teachers in Tennessee who wish to critique or analyze what they view as the scientific weaknesses of evolution, making it the second state, after Louisiana, to enable teachers to more easily espouse alternatives to evolution in the classroom.

Nye said that while many adults may believe in creationism, children should be taught evolution in order to understand science. Absent a grasp of evolution, he said, “You’re just not going to get the right answers.” And he called evolution the “fundamental idea in all of life science, in all of biology.”

Teaching children the building blocks of science is essential for the country’s future, he added, saying, “We need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future.”

Nye’s popular show, produced by Disney’s Buena Vista Television, aired from September 1993 to June 1998 on PBS and was also syndicated to local television stations.


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1 posted on 08/28/2012 3:39:40 AM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

So, we are to take child rearing advice from someone who has no kids, has never raised kids and can only stay married very briefly.... ok, that will work, NOT!


2 posted on 08/28/2012 3:45:08 AM PDT by vet7279
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To: rickmichaels

Yet so many scientists I have read over the many years I’ve been on this planet say that science reinforces their belief in creationism. Go figure!


3 posted on 08/28/2012 3:45:38 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

I know of a life long school science teacher who started out as a militant atheist many years ago, but actually became a Christian as a result of trying to disprove God. He later made a life ministry out of apologetics work.


4 posted on 08/28/2012 3:48:48 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: rickmichaels

I don’t know what Nye is bitching about

Our govt schools and institutions are shrines to Darwinism

The Smithsonian Museum, our “national” natural history umusuem, is a one-sided exhibit to ape-ism

Raising children to be “scientifically literate taxpayers” sounds like good little robots, doesn’t it? What a rewarding life


5 posted on 08/28/2012 3:49:39 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: rickmichaels
I don't know what Nye is bitching about

Our govt schools and institutions are shrines to Darwinism

The Smithsonian Museum, our “national” natural history museum, is a one-sided exhibit to ape-ism

Raising children to be “scientifically literate taxpayers” sounds like good little robots, doesn't it? What a rewarding life

6 posted on 08/28/2012 3:50:06 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: silverleaf

That pattern worked for him, right? He would not have the public voice that he has if he were to deny the Liberal gods.


7 posted on 08/28/2012 3:53:48 AM PDT by Pecos (Double tap: the only acceptable gun control)
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To: rickmichaels
God and evolution are not in the slightest mutually exclusive. Science in its purest form is a search for truth, and thus is in reality a search to understand the nature of God.

The details are beyond all of us, and thus no one who is intellectually honest and sufficiently thoughtful would be smug about what we know, and what we understand scientifically. The fossil record is intriguing, and yes there were dinosaurs and human predecessors, but how does any of that answer the question ‘why do we or anything exist’?

To believe that the totality of the known universe ‘just happened’ and that there is no ‘meaning’ to anything is as intellectually vacuous as any position one could possibly hold. It is, in essence, more anti-intellectual than the most ardent opponent of evolution could ever be legitimately accused of, but it is nonetheless the position that many ‘intellectuals’ hold.

8 posted on 08/28/2012 3:55:28 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: rickmichaels

Bill, from someone who worked 14+ years in newborn ICU, every mutation I ever saw was bad. Guess how many fingers I’m holding up and which one.


9 posted on 08/28/2012 3:59:09 AM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: rickmichaels

In it Nye said widespread public doubt in the scientific concept of evolution — which holds that human beings and all other forms of life developed from a process of random genetic mutation and natural selection — would hinder a country long renowned for its innovation, intellectual capital and a general grasp of science.

Well Bill we (America) got to be the greatest Nation in the world with a steady belief in God and if we want to continue to be the best Nation, I think we had netter make sure out children understand how we got here.


10 posted on 08/28/2012 4:03:44 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: rickmichaels

And God said. God spoke and it was. That which is seen was created from that which is unseen

Genesis 1:3
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Genesis 1:6
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Genesis 1:9
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Genesis 1:11
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Genesis 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Genesis 1:20
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Genesis 1:24
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=God+said&searchtype=all&version1=9&language1=en&spanbegin=1&spanend=73

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+11:3&version=KJV

Hebrews 11:3

King James Version (KJV)

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

I will take what God said over what Bill Nye the Science Guy sez. When Bill can create the Universe, the stars and the planets, he’ll still fall short of God.


11 posted on 08/28/2012 4:04:57 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: rickmichaels
"...would hinder a country long renowned for its innovation, intellectual capital and a general grasp of science."

News flash for the "science guy": those responsible for "one giant leap for mankind" were church goers and Bible quoters. Further, many were graduates of our military academies during an era when attendance at chapel was mandatory.
12 posted on 08/28/2012 4:08:20 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: rickmichaels

Probably a rainbow soldier.

LLS


13 posted on 08/28/2012 4:15:25 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Sarah speaking at the romney convention would be like Led Zeppelin opening for The Monkees)
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To: MachIV
evolution — which holds that human beings and all other forms of life developed from a process of random genetic mutation and natural selection

Actually, it holds that all life evolved from a universal common ancestor. A belief that has a mathematical possibility of roughly one in infinity (see Infinite Monkey Theorem)

I know of a life long school science teacher who started out as a militant atheist many years ago, but actually became a Christian as a result of trying to disprove God.

While I wouldn't characterize myself as a militant atheist or trying to disprove the existence of God, after completing a biology degree, it became obvious to me that there is A Creator.

14 posted on 08/28/2012 4:24:22 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: silverleaf
Darwinists like Nye will go to great lengths to make a monkey of themselves.
15 posted on 08/28/2012 4:29:27 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: rickmichaels

Neversaw his show.

It’s amazing that people think they know better than the Bible.

The pride involved is one thing.

These people are usually remarkably boring.

We like Alton Brown’s “Good Eats” in our house. He puts science to good use and he is very amusing.

And he doesn’t seem to think his popularity is cause to announce his world view.


16 posted on 08/28/2012 4:33:32 AM PDT by stanne
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To: rickmichaels

Mind your own business, turkey.


17 posted on 08/28/2012 4:36:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Now a hit television series starring Judi Dench!)
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To: rickmichaels
Scientist and children’s television personality Bill Nye, in a newly released online video, panned biblical creationism and implored American parents who reject the scientific theory of evolution not to teach their beliefs to their youngsters.

Galileo, the most profound philosopher of his age, when questioned by the Roman Inquisition as to his belief in the existence of God, replied, pointing to a straw on the floor of his dungeon, that from the structure of that object alone he would infer with certainty the existence of an intelligent Creator.
—Rev. Walter Baxendale, 1888
Dictionary of anecdote, incident, illustrative fact, Page 259

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Let's see, who should we believe..... Bill Nye or Galileo?

18 posted on 08/28/2012 4:37:03 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: rickmichaels

Bill needs to stay tending his veggie patch:

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/zap-billnyerestrainingorder,0,1210986.story


19 posted on 08/28/2012 4:42:24 AM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: rockinqsranch

A lot of what passes for “science education” on PBS appears to me to be little more than indocrination of children to respect authority, which at its base, is the antithesis of science.

“The Universe is very, very old. We know this because very smart people say so.” Which conditions you to accept dogma about Wal*Mart and Obama from your teachers.

Also: Galileo got into a dust up with the Church. Galileo was no more correct scientifically than the church, but ignore that and claim he had The Truth, which Proves that Very Smart People (i.e., teachers) know more than religous leaders, about everything.


20 posted on 08/28/2012 4:55:59 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: rickmichaels
In it Nye said widespread public doubt in the scientific concept of evolution — which holds that human beings and all other forms of life developed from a process of random genetic mutation and natural selection — would hinder a country long renowned for its innovation, intellectual capital and a general grasp of science.

Absolutely. There isn't much harm in a small number of individuals who believe the metaphorical creation stories of Genesis are literal accounts from 6,000 years ago--but when there are enough such people that they can force laws to be passed mandating teaching religion in lieu of science in science classrooms, there is a problem. We cannot keep our scientific edge when people are not only scientifically illiterate, but cling tooth and nail to that illiteracy.

21 posted on 08/28/2012 5:01:07 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Galileo was no more correct scientifically than the church

So, you think the world is the center of the universe and the sun revolves around it instead of the other way around? Galileo said that the earth revolves around the sun and that is correct. Galileo was correct and the church imprisoned him for it.

22 posted on 08/28/2012 5:09:37 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Biden: "HOPE and CHAINS for all 57 states".)
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To: rickmichaels
“When you have a portion of the population that doesn’t believe in (evolution) it holds everybody back, really,” he said.

Bill must be pushing for a job at the re-education camp.

23 posted on 08/28/2012 5:25:34 AM PDT by Third Person (I'm in my prime.)
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To: MachIV
I know of a life long school science teacher who started out as a militant atheist many years ago, but actually became a Christian as a result of trying to disprove God. He later made a life ministry out of apologetics work.

I don't personally know anyone like that but they usually end up being some of the most powerful advocates of God and are really good at spreading the Word - our God can withstand scrutiny and does not require us to go on jihad to protect His good name - He's not one of those pitiful Gods...

24 posted on 08/28/2012 5:30:32 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: rickmichaels

Time for Bill D Nye to get a real job rather than Nationalist Socialist TV. Hey Bill, where’s your proof?

Pray for America


25 posted on 08/28/2012 5:32:14 AM PDT by bray (The Gummit didn't make my business, God did!)
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To: trebb

There are many such life stories out there.
It seems that their militant atheism simply comes from a childish rebellion, though they claim it to be based on “reason”.

However, when they actually engage in the intellectual exercise of investigation into “disproving” God and His Word, they end up finding rationally irrefutable evidence that either it is true, or nothing is true.


26 posted on 08/28/2012 5:32:47 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: Third Person

Schaefer referred to this thinking as “sociological science”, in that, when “choosing” which explanation fits the evidence, the chooser puts more emphasis on the sociological impacts than on the evidence.

We’re living the sociological impacts, today, of rejecting Creationism (man is a special creation made in God’s image and is inherently worthy of respect), vs Evolution (humans are an accident of mutation, time, and environment, and are no more special than any other creature on the planet).

I point out the sociological impacts of evolution only to show those like Nye who claim a sociological superiority of evolutionary thinking that they are responsible for the social mess that we are in.


27 posted on 08/28/2012 5:38:55 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: BipolarBob
You clearly do not understand the issues.

Pope Urban VI asked some very reasonable questions about the treatment of tides in manuscript of Dialogue. Galileo told him he would clear it up in the print edition. Galileo put the Pope's question in the mouth of the doltish character Simplico, only to have them swatted aside dismissively by the the wise interlocutor, Salvati. It is embarassment to Galileo's supporters that he exhibits absolutely no understanding of the mechanism of tides, the Pope's question was reasonable, Galileo's answer was not.

Galileo was something of a hot head and a contraversalist. When his enemies accused him of heresy he might have counted on support from the Pope, but the Pope let the trial go on.

A further embarassment is that Galileo did not understand the details of either Copernican nor Ptolemaic astronomy. As Owen Gingerich points out ("The Eye of God" - read it) Copernican astronomy does not represent any improvement over Ptolemaic as a scientific theory. In a sense it is somewhat retrograde: Its appeal lies in the fact that Copernicus could obey the Aristolean dictum that planetary motion must be resolved into uniform circular motions. Copernicus achieved this, but only at a cost of greater complexity and, at best, no more accuracy.

Koestler ("The Sleepwalkers") thinks that heliocentricist in the Vatican (and he believes Jesuits were overwhelmingly heliocentricist) were alarmed by Galileo's hamfisted and half cocked advocacy of heliocentricism. Sort of like the way a pro-lifer might be alarmed by the pronouncements of Rep. Akins.

28 posted on 08/28/2012 5:45:11 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: rickmichaels

It’s nice to know the I am not scientifically literate after undergrad degrees in biology and general science, a doctorate, and 3 years of post grad education. Now if I only bought into the poorly supported and falling apart theory of evolution I could have saved all that time and expense and immediately qualified as a scientist. Who knew?
Guess I better not help college daughter with her organic chemistry any more being as I’m not scientifically literate and all. Maybe she can find a first grader who was taught the TOE to help her


29 posted on 08/28/2012 5:45:26 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: rickmichaels

Bill Nye has observed macro-evolution? You’d think with that kind of proof, he wouldn’t have to do schtick for Disneyworld rides.....

Oh, wait...he HASN’T observed a species turn into another species? Well. No wonder he still has to do bow tie crap.

I believe this garbage is being introduced the week of the Republican convention on purpose....these questions have NOTHING to do with the state of the economy and Obamugabe’s mismanagement thereof....

But look at CBS News right now...at 8:45 am, that pathetic network has Bill Nye on LIVE pushing his pro-evolution point of view. What a shock.


30 posted on 08/28/2012 5:48:22 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: rickmichaels

Well Bill, I’ve worked in aerospace for 40 years, and most of the best and brightest were either educated in Catholic schools, or in a Jewish household.

Having their formative years, steeped in a belief in creation did not stifle their scientific curiosity.

It does, however, ground them in the concepts of purpose and consequence.


31 posted on 08/28/2012 5:48:55 AM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: rickmichaels

However, I’ll bet Bill Nye is just fine with allowing Muslims to teach their children that all non-Muslims are infidels and need to be destroyed.


32 posted on 08/28/2012 6:01:25 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: BipolarBob

Galileo got imprisoned for being a smart ass to the pope. He wasn’t very “politic” and it got him into trouble. I’ve read that the church officials at the time weren’t necessarily against Galileo’s notion, but he challenged the church’s authority and the leadership’s reputations. In the end it was Galileo’s pride verses the pope’s pride and in the end all of the people at the time lost!


33 posted on 08/28/2012 6:02:14 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Not left wing! Not right wing! But....CHRIST WING!)
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To: rockinqsranch

“When you have a portion of the population that doesn’t believe in (God) it holds everybody back, really.”

I am a scientist and a devout Christian.

It is interesting to look at the distribution of believers among scientists. The harder the science, the more likely the belief in God. Those in the social “sciences” are the least likely to believe in God. They are also the least likely to be considered real scientists.


34 posted on 08/28/2012 6:23:06 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: rickmichaels
Nye said that while many adults may believe in creationism, children should be taught evolution in order to understand science. Absent a grasp of evolution, he said, “You’re just not going to get the right answers.” ******

I wonder what right answers Nye might be concerned about? Are these to questions concerning human behavior and accountability. We've tried the evolutionary answers for the better part of the past century and all we have to show for these right answers are moral apathy, confusion, cultural rot and a potpourri of half-baked belief systems.

35 posted on 08/28/2012 6:25:40 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: rickmichaels

In it Nye said widespread public doubt in the scientific concept of evolution — which holds that human beings and all other forms of life developed from a process of random genetic mutation and natural selection — would hinder a country long renowned for its innovation, intellectual capital and a general grasp of science.

“When you have a portion of the population that doesn’t believe in (evolution) it holds everybody back, really,” he said.


Oh sure. We’d never have invented stuff like the steam engine, the telephone, and the light bulb if we had all believed that God created living things like the Bible says.


36 posted on 08/28/2012 6:29:16 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: rickmichaels
We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future.

Say, Bill, what's your view on AGW and the 'scientific method' used to develop the models?

37 posted on 08/28/2012 6:30:36 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Government's solution to everything: Less freedom.)
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To: MrB

Agree.

I’m sad to hear this because I thought he had an excellent TV show. I hope he opens his heart and mind to faith.

I’ve been told by several atheists that they are confident there is no such thing as God because they cannot see, hear, taste, smell, or touch Him. I ask them if by the same reasoning they believe there is no such thing as love.


38 posted on 08/28/2012 6:31:10 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: bereanway

I would bet, that as a whole, children who are taught Creationism are also taught the theory of evolution.

It would be interesting to see the test scores [relative to the theory of evolution] of children with a knowledge of Creationism vs. those without.


39 posted on 08/28/2012 6:35:15 AM PDT by Third Person (I'm in my prime.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I read your words. They are one sided. The angelic church and the hot headed ignorant Galileo. Hmmmm. The facts are Galileo was right. The church was wrong. Those are the facts and no matter how you/church wish to manipulate them, they remain. It is/was immoral what the church did to that man. The pope did not show the mercy, love or patience of Christ. He showed what he truly was and that was a prideful spiteful man.


40 posted on 08/28/2012 6:45:23 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Biden: "HOPE and CHAINS for all 57 states".)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Wow! With so much knowledge packed into one post, I can’t wait to see the reply from the other poster.

Thank you for a well researched and presented answer.


41 posted on 08/28/2012 6:46:48 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: BipolarBob
In what way was Galileo "right"? There is no coherent Galilean model of planetary motion. Read Kostler's The Sleepwalkers, great read. Galileo was a strident and hamfisted advocate of a theory he could not explain, did not understand and that is actually less useful for predicting observations than the one it proposed to replace. He was absolutely, demonstrably wrong about tides. If he had not provoked an unnecessary and pointless fight with the Vatican, he would have been a minor footnote in history.

BTW, Martin Luther was adamantly opposed to heliocentricism (he had read some early papers by Copernicus, prior to the release of De Revolutionibus) and condemned it as heresy. Copernicus was a Roman Catholic Cannon, about equal in rank to a Monsiegnor. The Roman Church was indifferent to heliocentricism, until Galileo made a fuss about it and had De Revolutionibus added to the Index. Again, like Akin on abortion, Galileo's hamfisted proclamations gave the geocentricists power they never would have had otherwise.

42 posted on 08/28/2012 7:01:06 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: rickmichaels
I am homeschooling my kids, and I am teaching my kids about Evolution, and also that I believe that it probably went down something like that. So on FR, I would be called an evolutionist.

Many of the people in my area believe in creationism, so I am also teaching my kids about ID, even a little about Genesis, although I dont endorse it, I think it would be nice for him to know.

It hasn't hurt him one bit, and he "gets" it. I can't see how its harmful. So bill nye is being stupid.

I still dont care for Creationism to be taught in public schools, though it probably deserves a mention.

43 posted on 08/28/2012 7:16:10 AM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: rickmichaels
“Nye said that while many adults may believe in creationism, children should be taught evolution in order to understand science”

Well..let's see if belief in evolution is really important to the understanding of science by looking at some notable scientific accomplishments.

Landing on the moon, development of the internet, the discovery of sub-atomic particles, landing machines on Mars.....belief in evolution played no part in these scientific, technological accomplishments...no part.

Going back a bit.... Understanding blood circulation, discovery of antibiotics, Mendel's understanding of heredity, discoveries in electricity and magnetism, gravity, development of the internal combustion engine, electronics....

Evolutionary theory? Completely irrelevant to the major scientific developments that we take for granted today.

44 posted on 08/28/2012 7:17:18 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

You read a lot of long winded wordy books (Catholic propaganda) that ignore the facts. You try to prove Galileo was wrong (even though he was right) and the church was right (even though they were wrong). I don’t care if Galileo could fully understand and precisely explain the planetary motions. He was still right. Now go read up and see if the sky is blue or it just looks that way because of the color.


45 posted on 08/28/2012 7:27:16 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Biden: "HOPE and CHAINS for all 57 states".)
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To: stanne
It's amazing that people think they know better than the Bible.

You mean that book written by people? Obviously a tomb of repackaged myths and ancient folk lore that was exploited by power hungry organized religions to exercise control over the illiterate masses, subjugate women, and control the governments and expansion of the new and old worlds stands above any measurable scientific observation or theory.
46 posted on 08/28/2012 7:28:17 AM PDT by chaos_5
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To: BipolarBob

Owen Gingerich was a memonite missionary and son of preacher before he was an astronomy professor at Harvard. Koestler was an anti-communist Hungarian atheist. Some Catholic propagandists. Dava Sobel is a New York secular Jew, who takes more or less the same view of the Church-Galileo contraversy. Anyone with any more historical perspective than is generally available in public schools knows these things.


47 posted on 08/28/2012 7:42:45 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: rickmichaels
46 percent of Americans can be described as creationists for believing that God created humans in their present form at some point within the last 10,000 years.

Many creationists unfortunately believe not just humans, but the entire universe.

48 posted on 08/28/2012 7:47:35 AM PDT by gdani
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To: mdmathis6

Galileo really didn’t have any coherent theory of his own. Being smart-assed with the Pope, his former friend and supporter, lost him the Pope’s protection. He was really good at making enemies. The Church had avoided the heliocentricism contraversy, in part because a lot of smart people worked at the Vatican, some of them Jesuits, and realized that it was not in the Church’s interest to inject itself into unresolved scientific contraversies. Galileo gave the geocentricists an opening and they seized it, much to the detriment of the Church. (Things we take for granted, like Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press were very much foreign concepts in every civilization and culture up to that time.)

Anyway, his conviction cemented his reputation as a free thinker and made his place in history. If they ignored him, he would probably be a minor player, ranking somewhat below Robert Hook in the history of science. Hook published “Newton’s” law of motion nine years before Newton in almost identical form. Hook’s publication was sterile because he lacked Newton’s genius. Newton created the calculus of variation to show that Hook’s law lead to Kepler’s empirical laws as a solution to the two body problem. Without the calculus of variations and Kepler’s law, Hook’s statement of the laws of motion are little more than sterile speculation. BTW, the “Hook’s Law” we all learn in high school physics isn’t really a physical law, it’s at best an engineering approximation, used to illustrate some elementary principles.


49 posted on 08/28/2012 8:34:35 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
God and evolution are not in the slightest mutually exclusive.

You and I have the exact same outlook. I've been considering Mandelbrot's idea that large things in nature tend to be made up of smaller things that are similar. You could start with a cell in your body. It has no idea what it is part of, nor does it have the capacity to understand, yet it's part of a "super-organism". Following Mandelbrot's idea, why couldn't humans then be a supporting component of a super-being?

Like you were saying, the details are beyond all of us, just like it's beyond the capacity of a cell in your body to understand what it is part of.

50 posted on 08/28/2012 8:43:20 AM PDT by Family Guy (A society's first line of defense is not the law but customs, traditions and moral values. -Williams)
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