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GOP Rules Committee Rapidly Moving to Shut Out Grassroots at 2:00 p.m. Today (It's not over)
RedState ^ | Tuesday August 28, 2012 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 08/28/2012 7:31:55 AM PDT by Bigtigermike

At 2:00 p.m. today in Tampa, the Republican National Committee, led by Team Romney, is moving to shut down conservative grassroots activists. I’ve been on the phone with several individuals involved in the fight who tell me that the fight is not over, it is only just starting.

Specifically, the media is reporting that the rules fight is over because Team Romney is abandoning Ben Ginsberg’s effort to allow candidates to control delegates. Under an initial proposal, delegates would, in effect, be chosen by the presumed nominee’s campaign and not based on votes in the states and delegate selection processes in the states.

That issue appears resolved, but several people I’ve spoken to this morning make clear that Team Romney and the RNC establishment are using that compromise as a red herring to distract from two major rules change proposals that would decimate Republican grassroots and prevent upstart political campaigns.

Reports that the floor fight threat is over might be designed to calm the grassroots and get them to ignore what is coming at 2 o’clock.

The first rule to be proposed is one that would give the Republican National Committee the power to change rules between conventions with a three-quarters vote of the RNC. One source tells me, “With a Republican President, of course this is doable. Everybody will roll over if a President Romney asks them too. They’ll be able to get Ben Ginsberg’s proposal next year.”

In other words, if Team Romney prevails in this rules change, they don’t have to worry about Ben Ginsberg not getting his way today on the delegate changes. They’ll be able to do it later when the press and grassroots are not watching.

The second rules change would front load winner takes all primaries.

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Another tells me, “They’ve gotten social conservatives comfortable with the platform and now that they’re placated [Team Romney] is going to undercut them with this change.”

It's not over!! Romney is trying to give us the go around

1 posted on 08/28/2012 7:32:03 AM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

WTF is with the distractions at the start of the convention??? They couldn’t have ironed all this out months ago?


2 posted on 08/28/2012 7:35:57 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: Bigtigermike

My delegation from VA is on to this and they are not going to compromise. They voted unaminously against the Ginsberg thing and will do the same again.


3 posted on 08/28/2012 7:38:38 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Bigtigermike

Red flags went up for me when they started declaring the fight over. The GOPe doesn’t just give up that easily unless they are surrendering to liberals.


4 posted on 08/28/2012 7:38:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Bigtigermike

These “grassroots activists” who caused this whole mess are Ron Paul supporters who lied about their allegiance in order to get delegate slots. They truly believe in a Ron Paul insurgency.

I agree that changing these rules would have long-term unintended consequences and would not be a good thing, but the original intent was to shut down an infiltration by dishonest people who are trying very hard to make trouble at the convention.


5 posted on 08/28/2012 7:39:04 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Bigtigermike

Over the years, the GOP-E has changed delegate selection so they could try for a more unanimous anointing. The Paulistinians took advantage of that this year and the GOP-E panicked and is over reacting. Now we have a situation with two “wrong” sides. What needs to happen is to have the states go back to the earlier process, where the candidates select their delegates and people vote for them, as happens in Tennessee (among others), not stifling what few modes of input people still have.


6 posted on 08/28/2012 7:39:04 AM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: ScottinVA

They hate conservatives.

They are INTENTIONALLY PICKING A FIGHT WITH CONSERVATIVES at their convention

SO THAT

Romney gets to distance himself from conservatism in the eyes of the electorate,

AND

run to the LEFT for liberal votes.

Isn’t that obvious?


7 posted on 08/28/2012 7:40:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Bigtigermike

The RINO Romney WILL NOT ALLOW DISSENSION
to his RINO decrees, or discussion
of the fact that he is Democrat RINO who pushes
every single DNC agenda (and claims otherwise
even AFTER imposing them, himself).

This will be nothing less than
a coronation of the RINO Emperor, and his
Death Panels and RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE,
over the carcasses of the Tea Party and conservatives.


8 posted on 08/28/2012 7:40:58 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session."- Mark Twain)
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To: Ingtar

Agree.

I have lost all respect for Ron Paul over this. He has a monstrous ego and is intent on causing harm. So glad he’s not running again and perhaps will just go away.

Most of his most fervent supporters are very young, very naive, and well-meaning. They will likely become good voters if they ever learn to think for themselves. This year, they’re brainwashed idol worshippers being used by an old man who should be ashamed of himself.


9 posted on 08/28/2012 7:43:08 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Bigtigermike; Perdogg

from the article:

“The second rules change would front load winner takes all primaries. Grassroots conservatives point to both Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum as reasons to stop this rule. Had there been front loaded winner takes all primaries, neither the Gingrich nor the Santorum campaigns would have been able to get any traction.

“This is going to be a fight on the floor if they don’t back down. They have too much pride to back down and we’re going to humble them,” said one delegate to the convention.

Another tells me, “They’ve gotten social conservatives comfortable with the platform and now that they’re placated [Team Romney] is going to undercut them with this change.”

Speaking to one person familiar with the rules changes who supports them, I’m told a number of people support the changes because they see the current rules as efforts by Michael Steel to “liven up” the process, but all it did was run up the cost and drag it out. “Are we really going to keep the status quo because the guy who brought the convention to hurricane country in hurricane season thought they were a good idea?” the delegate asked.

The Rules Committee will meet at 2:00 p.m. today in Tampa to consider the rules changes. If they make it through the committee, delegates are telling me they promise a huge floor fight and there’s no guarantee Team Romney will get its way given the current make up of the delegates in Tampa.***

So, they gave partially on the first issue, but didn’t get close to a compromise on the other 2.

Just like the Rino Media...report a compromise but have it be only a small piece of the truth


10 posted on 08/28/2012 7:43:27 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Bigtigermike

If 3/4 of the RBC agrees on a rules change, what more do you want? Why should a 25% minority hijack the whole system?


11 posted on 08/28/2012 7:44:18 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: Bigtigermike

If 3/4 of the RNC agrees on a rules change, what more do you want? Why should a 25% minority hijack the whole system?


12 posted on 08/28/2012 7:44:28 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: xzins

It sure as hell is obvious to me. That is why they want Akin out of the Missouri race as he is too conservative for the like of Mittens and Rove.


13 posted on 08/28/2012 7:44:43 AM PDT by elephant
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To: Jedidah
...the original intent was to shut down an infiltration by dishonest people who are trying very hard to make trouble at the convention.

That does make sense. When I first heard about it I thought it was kind of snarky on Romney's part, but if Romney was really going after the Tea Party types he never would have selected Ryan.

14 posted on 08/28/2012 7:44:48 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Ingtar

Ron Paul should never have been presented as a GOP candidate in the first place. He muddied the waters enormously, is still up to his mischief, and I think did conservatives a true disservice.

Furthermore, he gave legitimate ammunition to people who want to make this change, which will go way beyond him.


15 posted on 08/28/2012 7:46:54 AM PDT by livius
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To: Ingtar

The GOPE just doesn’t want to wipe out the Paulbots but Tea Party and grassroots too......in fact this has less to do with Paulbots and more to do with the influence of the Tea Party in 2016 and beyond. Romney, Jeb and Rubio (fake Tea Partier) desires to clear out all opposition


16 posted on 08/28/2012 7:47:32 AM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Jedidah; P-Marlowe; SoConPubbie; cripplecreek; RKBA Democrat
these rules would have long-term unintended consequences

Only the naive believe they are unintended.

The first rule authorized the candidate to pick his own delegates, the 2nd enabled the candidate to set all the rules in secret with the power brokers, and the 3rd enabled the candidate to prevent future challenges.

Now, you tell me what rules 2 and 3 have to do with Ron Paul?

17 posted on 08/28/2012 7:49:35 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

RaDiO siLenCe over at Drudge


18 posted on 08/28/2012 7:49:52 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Jedidah

exactly , well said


19 posted on 08/28/2012 7:51:17 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: ponygirl
Drudge has been co-opted, hasn't he?
20 posted on 08/28/2012 7:51:57 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Bigtigermike
They keep using the "Ron Paul" lie as an attempt to shut down dissent. Only cowards use Alinsky tactics.

(Malkin)Floor fight: Grass-roots activists battle attempt to rig GOP convention delegate rules Updated: Party bosses offer olive branch; “tense,” “dynamic” situation; Palin: “direct attack on the grass-roots”

Let me stop here and say that this is NOT…REPEAT NOT a move by a bunch of disgruntled Ron Paul supporters. This is a group of long-time conservative activists, even “party regulars” and lots of Romney supporters, many who go back to the Goldwater days.
21 posted on 08/28/2012 7:52:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Jedidah

Why doesn’;t Paul nad his supporters have their own libertarian convention, nomination, nominee selection etc.

Keep hearing off the same posters that this is about shutting down the tea party etc but what about the Paulbots who want to not vote for Romney and vote for Paul.

Why onthis earth does the GOP have to let Paul into this process when he clearly is not a republican is beyond me, but saying that they also let queers in now to spew their own agenda.
Pathetic.

The process is done, I was no way a Romney supporter or voter and stil not keen on him but it;s now the convention and that is it.


22 posted on 08/28/2012 7:55:34 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: ScottinVA

“WTF is with the distractions at the start of the convention??? They couldn’t have ironed all this out months ago?”

Get used to it. This is the hour for the Geriatric Old Plotters. This is the payback for the humiliations they received at the hands of Goldwater, Reagan, Palin and some others. They own it all now, and it will be their way or the highway.

As for me, my bags are packed, the tank is gassed and I am out the door.


23 posted on 08/28/2012 7:56:02 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ( "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me." Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: Bigtigermike

This is a preview of the danger that a liberal Republican President poses to the party and the conservative movement. The Democrat party can’t destroy the Republican party and the conservative movement - only the Republican party can do that.


24 posted on 08/28/2012 7:56:30 AM PDT by LaserJock
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To: Bigtigermike
I am a Conservative - not a Republican. Rule changes like this are just another in a long string of “We don't want conservatives” by the GOPe.

I will be voting 3rd party at the top of the ticket and conservative down ticket.

I am a firm believer that the GOP has lost it's way and is no longer the party that supports my views. I will therefore use my vote to further the cause of conservatives by influencing the major / minor party outcome in accordance with the laws of my state.

I will not only join but will support and work for a 3rd party that is a Conservative party.

25 posted on 08/28/2012 7:56:40 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Bigtigermike

Fear not folks. This will all be countered by ‘holding MRs feet to the fire”...

Sarcasm aside I welcome this. I hope he/they succeed. Because it will push more people into forming a viable 2nd party.

Of course the diehards will excuse this powergrab as usual.


26 posted on 08/28/2012 7:59:25 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: cripplecreek

so if that’s the case why hasn;’t Newt, Sarah, michelle Bachmann, Rick your guy and my second, De Mint, Col Allen West , all conservatives like them got into this.

It’s now the convention, Romney is hte nominee, not my vote by a long way but I;ve only seen Paul’s lot going on about this and IMO who shouldn;t be there as Paul is not a republican


27 posted on 08/28/2012 7:59:25 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Bigtigermike

There is really no difference in the heads of the Republicans than there are of those of the Dims. It is all about total control, total power, invested in them. To heck with the people. It is about them. Power. This is why there is really never going to be any real chance of this country ever getting back to the Constitution and state rights, and individual rights. It is all about total control to them all.


28 posted on 08/28/2012 8:00:11 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Scriptures clearly tell us we are in the last days, the end times. Christ is the only answer!)
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To: xzins

I will NEVER vote for Romney or any other establishment republican. They will not ever be kind to conservatives. They will smile only until they get votes and then stab us all in the back. They will not move this country to the right it will continue on the fast track to fascism and tyranny.

You will find that Romney will not undo any of the damage that has been done. He will most likely make it worse while telling us to stop rocking the boat. Hopefully he will prove me wrong but I doubt it.


29 posted on 08/28/2012 8:00:56 AM PDT by formosa
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To: Bigtigermike

I’m troubled by this move. This is something that could be a harbringer of something not so good to come. Why would these rule changes come up now unless they expected trouble in 2016? It is like they are trying to put in place an insurance plan in the event Romney disappoints and is challenged in the future. If Romney is going to govern as a conservative and cut the size of government what are they worried about?


30 posted on 08/28/2012 8:01:01 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Now lets return to our regular scheduled deprogramming.)
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To: manc

Just do as you’re told and don’t worry about me.

Know any good jokes about democrat plantation dwellers?


31 posted on 08/28/2012 8:01:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Bigtigermike; All

I don’t care about the winner take all change. It makes sense if you win, you win.

That’s the way our election system works...

The other one I don’t like though, but that will likely be defeated as well. Contrary to the idea that conservatives are being surprised here, I have seen multiple posts mentioning this. Folks are aware of it, and it won’t happen, so I see no reason to freak out.


32 posted on 08/28/2012 8:01:41 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Royal Wulff

Explained here why 75% is not a “high bar.”

They try to sell this to people with the idea that it is a high bar (75%), but a few things:

1) As longtime conservative activist and RNC committeeman from VA Morton Blackwell points out, this is no safeguard, because the chairman generally gets whatever the chairman wants. No disrespect intended to Priebus in that, but who knows who the next chairman may be. He points out that the chair always has lots of favors to give away.

2) The RNC has never had this power before (with the minor exception limited to the fixing of the primary calendar issue in 2008 in order to coordinate w/various state governments and Democrats). Rule making authority has ALWAYS been with the convention…and it remains set for 4 years…so ALL campaigns or potential campaigns konw what the rules will be. If the RNC has this authority, it will soon become a battleground for various presidential contenders looking to monkey with the rules to give themselves a leg up over the competition.

3) If this is so necesary for some specific purpose, why not limit it to that purpose? Kind of makes you wonder…

http://michellemalkin.com/

Anything puting more power in the hands of RNC powerbrokers is bad for the grassroots.


33 posted on 08/28/2012 8:02:23 AM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: xzins

No. It’s an over-reaction to Ron Paul.

Doesn’t make it right, as it does hurt conservatives in the process. But, this will all work out. They don’t want a floor fight at the national televised convention, or at least they shouldn’t.


34 posted on 08/28/2012 8:03:19 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Jedidah
I agree that changing these rules would have long-term unintended consequences and would not be a good thing, but the original intent was to shut down an infiltration by dishonest people who are trying very hard to make trouble at the convention.

Unfortunately this is the precursor for tyranny, which is worse.

35 posted on 08/28/2012 8:04:07 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Maelstorm
Its a replay of 1964 with another Romney trying the same stunt.

(1964) GOP warned to beware of extremists. May destroy republicans; Romney.

At upper left.
36 posted on 08/28/2012 8:06:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Slyfox
if Romney was really going after the Tea Party types he never would have selected Ryan.

Surely, you don't believe that! You are NOT seeing the devil in the details. It's OBVIOUS, yet some can't see it and haven't through this whole campaign!

37 posted on 08/28/2012 8:07:52 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Bigtigermike

EXACTLY. Bush cartel in play here. Jeb is out doing Hispanic outreach.


38 posted on 08/28/2012 8:08:38 AM PDT by magna carta
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To: Maelstorm

My thoughts exactly. This makes me really, really uneasy.


39 posted on 08/28/2012 8:13:55 AM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m sorry but the main proponent of these rule changes to wipe out Tea Party and grassroots opposition to the Establishment is Romney’s campaign lawyer, Ben Ginsberg. He wouldn’t be doing this on his own accord without the direct knowledge of the Romney campaign and Romney himself in fact. The TRUTH hurts but this is who we are dealing with whether he is President or not within 2 months


40 posted on 08/28/2012 8:14:35 AM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

Regardless of the Ron Paul, or the grassroots Conservative targeting of this move by Team Romney on behalf of Romney for the benefit of Romney, it is most certainly NOT of, by, or for the people.

As a child Grandpa taught my older brother, and myself to play chess. At home my brother, and I would agree to play the game, but my older brother would be disadvantaged at some point, and would all of a sudden start spouting rules I was unaware, and ultimately he would win. Grandpa confirmed to me later that those rules my older brother insisted were legitimate were in fact contrived for his benefit to win the game. Older brother pulled that stunt multiple times, and I finally refused to play the game anymore.

Willard is NOT my older brother, but my experience tells me there are similarities. I really like the fact my older brother lives in another State.

Prayers for this country.


41 posted on 08/28/2012 8:16:20 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Bigtigermike
That's what I'm saying. The GOPe cowads are deliberately trying to attach it to Ron Paul as a means of silencing dissent. Its pure Alinsky tactics. Fortunately not everyone is buying it. Mark Levin just tweeted the story you posted.

Mark R. Levin ‏@marklevinshow Correction! Apparently the fight is not over. Please read this link.... http://fb.me/1Q2RoxsK7
42 posted on 08/28/2012 8:17:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Bigtigermike

Typically republican - Determined to alienate their conservative base and snatch drefeat from the jaws of victory.

I believe many at the top of the party would rather lose the presidential election than lose their own power and influence.

(big fish - small pond doctrine)


43 posted on 08/28/2012 8:18:40 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Jedidah
These “grassroots activists” who caused this whole mess are Ron Paul supporters who lied about their allegiance in order to get delegate slots.

Damn straight. If there was ever a reason to vote against Ron Paul it's his dishonest, petulant supporters.


44 posted on 08/28/2012 8:19:28 AM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: Jedidah

You are lying about the lying. Liar.


45 posted on 08/28/2012 8:20:02 AM PDT by DManA
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To: cripplecreek

You must have posted to the wrong person.

HUH, I asked if what you said was truthful then why hasn;t Newt, Rick S, Rick P, Sarah, Michelle B, De Mint etc all said something and got into this?
It’s a question.

You reply don’t worry about you and do I know any good jokes about Democrat plantation dwellers.


46 posted on 08/28/2012 8:22:59 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: xzins

He’s already distanced himself from the platform conservativs are so proud of.


47 posted on 08/28/2012 8:23:07 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Bigtigermike; ScottinVA; DarthVader; cripplecreek; Jedidah; Ingtar; xzins; Diogenesis; ...

So, we want CLOSED PRIMARIES so that infiltrators cannot disrupt our primaries and pick our nominees.

But we want OPEN CONVENTIONS so any minority faction of 25% or so can disrupt the convention in prime time?


48 posted on 08/28/2012 8:24:25 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Cinnamontea

Petulent? LOL I’ve never see a worse bunch of petulent babies as you guys.


49 posted on 08/28/2012 8:25:00 AM PDT by DManA
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To: taxcontrol

I am a conservative, not a republican.

To all FReepers who are ABO, who say you will get rid of Obama first, then hold RINOmney’s feet to the fire to keep him conservative...

This is your first battle. If you can’t win this one, don’t pretend your voice matters to him at all going forward. You will be run over by a RINO. YOUR RINO that YOU elected.

As for me...

Sorry, gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.


50 posted on 08/28/2012 8:25:37 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Sorry, gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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