Skip to comments.GOP Rules Committee Rapidly Moving to Shut Out Grassroots at 2:00 p.m. Today (It's not over)
Posted on 08/28/2012 7:31:55 AM PDT by Bigtigermike
At 2:00 p.m. today in Tampa, the Republican National Committee, led by Team Romney, is moving to shut down conservative grassroots activists. Ive been on the phone with several individuals involved in the fight who tell me that the fight is not over, it is only just starting.
Specifically, the media is reporting that the rules fight is over because Team Romney is abandoning Ben Ginsbergs effort to allow candidates to control delegates. Under an initial proposal, delegates would, in effect, be chosen by the presumed nominees campaign and not based on votes in the states and delegate selection processes in the states.
That issue appears resolved, but several people Ive spoken to this morning make clear that Team Romney and the RNC establishment are using that compromise as a red herring to distract from two major rules change proposals that would decimate Republican grassroots and prevent upstart political campaigns.
Reports that the floor fight threat is over might be designed to calm the grassroots and get them to ignore what is coming at 2 oclock.
The first rule to be proposed is one that would give the Republican National Committee the power to change rules between conventions with a three-quarters vote of the RNC. One source tells me, With a Republican President, of course this is doable. Everybody will roll over if a President Romney asks them too. Theyll be able to get Ben Ginsbergs proposal next year.
In other words, if Team Romney prevails in this rules change, they dont have to worry about Ben Ginsberg not getting his way today on the delegate changes. Theyll be able to do it later when the press and grassroots are not watching.
The second rules change would front load winner takes all primaries.
(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...
It's not over!! Romney is trying to give us the go around
WTF is with the distractions at the start of the convention??? They couldn’t have ironed all this out months ago?
My delegation from VA is on to this and they are not going to compromise. They voted unaminously against the Ginsberg thing and will do the same again.
Red flags went up for me when they started declaring the fight over. The GOPe doesn’t just give up that easily unless they are surrendering to liberals.
These “grassroots activists” who caused this whole mess are Ron Paul supporters who lied about their allegiance in order to get delegate slots. They truly believe in a Ron Paul insurgency.
I agree that changing these rules would have long-term unintended consequences and would not be a good thing, but the original intent was to shut down an infiltration by dishonest people who are trying very hard to make trouble at the convention.
Over the years, the GOP-E has changed delegate selection so they could try for a more unanimous anointing. The Paulistinians took advantage of that this year and the GOP-E panicked and is over reacting. Now we have a situation with two “wrong” sides. What needs to happen is to have the states go back to the earlier process, where the candidates select their delegates and people vote for them, as happens in Tennessee (among others), not stifling what few modes of input people still have.
They hate conservatives.
They are INTENTIONALLY PICKING A FIGHT WITH CONSERVATIVES at their convention
Romney gets to distance himself from conservatism in the eyes of the electorate,
run to the LEFT for liberal votes.
Isn’t that obvious?
The RINO Romney WILL NOT ALLOW DISSENSION
to his RINO decrees, or discussion
of the fact that he is Democrat RINO who pushes
every single DNC agenda (and claims otherwise
even AFTER imposing them, himself).
This will be nothing less than
a coronation of the RINO Emperor, and his
Death Panels and RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE,
over the carcasses of the Tea Party and conservatives.
I have lost all respect for Ron Paul over this. He has a monstrous ego and is intent on causing harm. So glad he’s not running again and perhaps will just go away.
Most of his most fervent supporters are very young, very naive, and well-meaning. They will likely become good voters if they ever learn to think for themselves. This year, they’re brainwashed idol worshippers being used by an old man who should be ashamed of himself.
from the article:
“The second rules change would front load winner takes all primaries. Grassroots conservatives point to both Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum as reasons to stop this rule. Had there been front loaded winner takes all primaries, neither the Gingrich nor the Santorum campaigns would have been able to get any traction.
This is going to be a fight on the floor if they dont back down. They have too much pride to back down and were going to humble them, said one delegate to the convention.
Another tells me, Theyve gotten social conservatives comfortable with the platform and now that theyre placated [Team Romney] is going to undercut them with this change.
Speaking to one person familiar with the rules changes who supports them, Im told a number of people support the changes because they see the current rules as efforts by Michael Steel to liven up the process, but all it did was run up the cost and drag it out. Are we really going to keep the status quo because the guy who brought the convention to hurricane country in hurricane season thought they were a good idea? the delegate asked.
The Rules Committee will meet at 2:00 p.m. today in Tampa to consider the rules changes. If they make it through the committee, delegates are telling me they promise a huge floor fight and theres no guarantee Team Romney will get its way given the current make up of the delegates in Tampa.***
So, they gave partially on the first issue, but didn’t get close to a compromise on the other 2.
Just like the Rino Media...report a compromise but have it be only a small piece of the truth
If 3/4 of the RBC agrees on a rules change, what more do you want? Why should a 25% minority hijack the whole system?
If 3/4 of the RNC agrees on a rules change, what more do you want? Why should a 25% minority hijack the whole system?
It sure as hell is obvious to me. That is why they want Akin out of the Missouri race as he is too conservative for the like of Mittens and Rove.
That does make sense. When I first heard about it I thought it was kind of snarky on Romney's part, but if Romney was really going after the Tea Party types he never would have selected Ryan.
Ron Paul should never have been presented as a GOP candidate in the first place. He muddied the waters enormously, is still up to his mischief, and I think did conservatives a true disservice.
Furthermore, he gave legitimate ammunition to people who want to make this change, which will go way beyond him.
The GOPE just doesn’t want to wipe out the Paulbots but Tea Party and grassroots too......in fact this has less to do with Paulbots and more to do with the influence of the Tea Party in 2016 and beyond. Romney, Jeb and Rubio (fake Tea Partier) desires to clear out all opposition
Only the naive believe they are unintended.
The first rule authorized the candidate to pick his own delegates, the 2nd enabled the candidate to set all the rules in secret with the power brokers, and the 3rd enabled the candidate to prevent future challenges.
Now, you tell me what rules 2 and 3 have to do with Ron Paul?
RaDiO siLenCe over at Drudge
exactly , well said
Why doesn’;t Paul nad his supporters have their own libertarian convention, nomination, nominee selection etc.
Keep hearing off the same posters that this is about shutting down the tea party etc but what about the Paulbots who want to not vote for Romney and vote for Paul.
Why onthis earth does the GOP have to let Paul into this process when he clearly is not a republican is beyond me, but saying that they also let queers in now to spew their own agenda.
The process is done, I was no way a Romney supporter or voter and stil not keen on him but it;s now the convention and that is it.
“WTF is with the distractions at the start of the convention??? They couldnt have ironed all this out months ago?”
Get used to it. This is the hour for the Geriatric Old Plotters. This is the payback for the humiliations they received at the hands of Goldwater, Reagan, Palin and some others. They own it all now, and it will be their way or the highway.
As for me, my bags are packed, the tank is gassed and I am out the door.
This is a preview of the danger that a liberal Republican President poses to the party and the conservative movement. The Democrat party can’t destroy the Republican party and the conservative movement - only the Republican party can do that.
I will be voting 3rd party at the top of the ticket and conservative down ticket.
I am a firm believer that the GOP has lost it's way and is no longer the party that supports my views. I will therefore use my vote to further the cause of conservatives by influencing the major / minor party outcome in accordance with the laws of my state.
I will not only join but will support and work for a 3rd party that is a Conservative party.
Fear not folks. This will all be countered by ‘holding MRs feet to the fire”...
Sarcasm aside I welcome this. I hope he/they succeed. Because it will push more people into forming a viable 2nd party.
Of course the diehards will excuse this powergrab as usual.
so if that’s the case why hasn;’t Newt, Sarah, michelle Bachmann, Rick your guy and my second, De Mint, Col Allen West , all conservatives like them got into this.
It’s now the convention, Romney is hte nominee, not my vote by a long way but I;ve only seen Paul’s lot going on about this and IMO who shouldn;t be there as Paul is not a republican
There is really no difference in the heads of the Republicans than there are of those of the Dims. It is all about total control, total power, invested in them. To heck with the people. It is about them. Power. This is why there is really never going to be any real chance of this country ever getting back to the Constitution and state rights, and individual rights. It is all about total control to them all.
I will NEVER vote for Romney or any other establishment republican. They will not ever be kind to conservatives. They will smile only until they get votes and then stab us all in the back. They will not move this country to the right it will continue on the fast track to fascism and tyranny.
You will find that Romney will not undo any of the damage that has been done. He will most likely make it worse while telling us to stop rocking the boat. Hopefully he will prove me wrong but I doubt it.
I’m troubled by this move. This is something that could be a harbringer of something not so good to come. Why would these rule changes come up now unless they expected trouble in 2016? It is like they are trying to put in place an insurance plan in the event Romney disappoints and is challenged in the future. If Romney is going to govern as a conservative and cut the size of government what are they worried about?
Just do as you’re told and don’t worry about me.
Know any good jokes about democrat plantation dwellers?
I don’t care about the winner take all change. It makes sense if you win, you win.
That’s the way our election system works...
The other one I don’t like though, but that will likely be defeated as well. Contrary to the idea that conservatives are being surprised here, I have seen multiple posts mentioning this. Folks are aware of it, and it won’t happen, so I see no reason to freak out.
Explained here why 75% is not a “high bar.”
They try to sell this to people with the idea that it is a high bar (75%), but a few things:
1) As longtime conservative activist and RNC committeeman from VA Morton Blackwell points out, this is no safeguard, because the chairman generally gets whatever the chairman wants. No disrespect intended to Priebus in that, but who knows who the next chairman may be. He points out that the chair always has lots of favors to give away.
2) The RNC has never had this power before (with the minor exception limited to the fixing of the primary calendar issue in 2008 in order to coordinate w/various state governments and Democrats). Rule making authority has ALWAYS been with the convention and it remains set for 4 years so ALL campaigns or potential campaigns konw what the rules will be. If the RNC has this authority, it will soon become a battleground for various presidential contenders looking to monkey with the rules to give themselves a leg up over the competition.
3) If this is so necesary for some specific purpose, why not limit it to that purpose? Kind of makes you wonder
Anything puting more power in the hands of RNC powerbrokers is bad for the grassroots.
No. It’s an over-reaction to Ron Paul.
Doesn’t make it right, as it does hurt conservatives in the process. But, this will all work out. They don’t want a floor fight at the national televised convention, or at least they shouldn’t.
Unfortunately this is the precursor for tyranny, which is worse.
Surely, you don't believe that! You are NOT seeing the devil in the details. It's OBVIOUS, yet some can't see it and haven't through this whole campaign!
EXACTLY. Bush cartel in play here. Jeb is out doing Hispanic outreach.
My thoughts exactly. This makes me really, really uneasy.
I’m sorry but the main proponent of these rule changes to wipe out Tea Party and grassroots opposition to the Establishment is Romney’s campaign lawyer, Ben Ginsberg. He wouldn’t be doing this on his own accord without the direct knowledge of the Romney campaign and Romney himself in fact. The TRUTH hurts but this is who we are dealing with whether he is President or not within 2 months
Regardless of the Ron Paul, or the grassroots Conservative targeting of this move by Team Romney on behalf of Romney for the benefit of Romney, it is most certainly NOT of, by, or for the people.
As a child Grandpa taught my older brother, and myself to play chess. At home my brother, and I would agree to play the game, but my older brother would be disadvantaged at some point, and would all of a sudden start spouting rules I was unaware, and ultimately he would win. Grandpa confirmed to me later that those rules my older brother insisted were legitimate were in fact contrived for his benefit to win the game. Older brother pulled that stunt multiple times, and I finally refused to play the game anymore.
Willard is NOT my older brother, but my experience tells me there are similarities. I really like the fact my older brother lives in another State.
Prayers for this country.
Typically republican - Determined to alienate their conservative base and snatch drefeat from the jaws of victory.
I believe many at the top of the party would rather lose the presidential election than lose their own power and influence.
(big fish - small pond doctrine)
Damn straight. If there was ever a reason to vote against Ron Paul it's his dishonest, petulant supporters.
You are lying about the lying. Liar.
You must have posted to the wrong person.
HUH, I asked if what you said was truthful then why hasn;t Newt, Rick S, Rick P, Sarah, Michelle B, De Mint etc all said something and got into this?
It’s a question.
You reply don’t worry about you and do I know any good jokes about Democrat plantation dwellers.
He’s already distanced himself from the platform conservativs are so proud of.
So, we want CLOSED PRIMARIES so that infiltrators cannot disrupt our primaries and pick our nominees.
But we want OPEN CONVENTIONS so any minority faction of 25% or so can disrupt the convention in prime time?
Petulent? LOL I’ve never see a worse bunch of petulent babies as you guys.
I am a conservative, not a republican.
To all FReepers who are ABO, who say you will get rid of Obama first, then hold RINOmney’s feet to the fire to keep him conservative...
This is your first battle. If you can’t win this one, don’t pretend your voice matters to him at all going forward. You will be run over by a RINO. YOUR RINO that YOU elected.
As for me...
Sorry, gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.