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Oregon Offers to Pay to Kill, but Not to Treat Cancer Patient
LifeSiteNews ^ | 06.04.08 | Tim Waggoner

Posted on 08/28/2012 11:47:34 AM PDT by Coleus

Lung cancer patient, Barbara Wagner, was recently notified that her oncologist-prescribed medication that would slow the growth of cancer would not be covered by the Oregon Health Plan; the plan, however, she was informed, would cover doctor-assisted suicide should she wish to kill herself.

"Treatment of advanced cancer that is meant to prolong life, or change the course of this disease, is not a covered benefit of the Oregon Health Plan," read the letter notifying Wagner of the health plan’s decision.

Wagner says she was shocked by the decision. "To say to someone, we’ll pay for you to die, but not pay for you to live, it’s cruel," she told the Register-Guard. "I get angry. Who do they think they are?"

This past Monday morning, however, Wagner had reason to rejoice. A representative from the company that manufactures the treatment called the cancer patient to say they would give her the medication for free.

"I am just so thrilled," she said. "I am so relieved and so happy."

Dr. Walter Shaffer, medical director of the state Division of Medical Assistance Programs, which administers the Oregon Health Plan, attempted to defend the health plan’s decision. "We can’t cover everything for everyone," he said. "We try to come up with polices that provide the most good for the most people." Shaffer then addressed a priority list that had been developed to ration health care. "There’s some desire on the part of the framers of this list to not cover treatments that are futile," he said, "or where the potential benefit to the patient is minimal in relation to the expense of providing the care."

According to an AP story on Wagner’s case, local oncologists in Oregon have said that, despite the Health Services Commission’s assertion that they were just clarifying policies already in place, healthcare practitioners have observed a sizable shift in policy in the way recurrent cancer is treated in the state. Increasingly, say local oncologists, sufferers of recurrent cancer are not receiving coverage for chemotherapy. They are always, however, eligible for state-funded assisted suicide.

Wesley J. Smith, a prominent conservative bioethicist, says that he was not surprised by the events.

"We have been warning for years that this was a possibility in Oregon. Medicaid is rationed, meaning that some treatments are not covered. But assisted suicide is always covered. And now, Barbara Wagner was faced with that very scenario."

Smith also mentioned a similar circumstance that had occurred in the past: "This isn’t the first time this has happened either. A few years ago a patient who needed a double organ transplant was denied the treatment but would have been eligible for state-financed assisted suicide."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: cancer; euthanasia; lungcancer; obamacare; romneycare; romneycare4ever; romneycare4u
Oregon: Barbara Wagner assisted suicide case

What America Would Look Like under Obamacare
1 posted on 08/28/2012 11:47:44 AM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

Obama care!Coming to a state near you.


2 posted on 08/28/2012 11:51:19 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Coleus
But THERE ARE NO DEATH PANELS, and you are racist if you say there are!
3 posted on 08/28/2012 11:52:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Coleus

Mr. RomneyCARE is bringing death to all Americans
through his damned socialized medicine.
The GOP is now cursed as it will feature
the AUTHOR OF DEATH PANELS.


4 posted on 08/28/2012 11:54:52 AM PDT by Diogenesis (mR.)
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To: Nachum; STARWISE; onyx; SE Mom; hoosiermama; Hoodat; thouworm

Outrage bookmark!!

Everyone needs to blog ,post,tweet and email this article to friends and family!!

This is Obamacare in a nutshell.

Please pass around.


5 posted on 08/28/2012 11:57:30 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: Coleus

Everybody deserves free health care - it’s a right! Of course, since it’s free, and the bureaucracy has since scared off good doctors, it’s now a 6 month wait to see your GP, and after that another 6 months to see an oncologist. Since we’re so short on doctors, they relaxed the strict guidlines of becoming a doctor so now the 22 year old will be performing your colonoscopy. Wish him luck, it’s his first surgery!!!


6 posted on 08/28/2012 11:58:17 AM PDT by No_More_Harkin
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To: Diogenesis
At what cost are people who can't pay for their own medical bills to be kept alive using money coerced from the taxpayers?

These cases are always sad individually, but collectively they would all bankrupt the system. Even private insurance has caps on it for lifetime expenditures in nearly every policy.
7 posted on 08/28/2012 11:59:01 AM PDT by Goldsborough
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To: No_More_Harkin

Ask any sheeperal, and they’ll vehemently claim that 0bamacare means as much free healthcare as anyone wants,

and they’ll get angry if you try to show them otherwise.


8 posted on 08/28/2012 12:02:30 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: Coleus

I’m OK with them not covering either.


9 posted on 08/28/2012 12:03:05 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

The state could reduce costs even further by cutting out the middle man, the physician, and just sending an enforcer to your door to shoot you. < /sarc>


10 posted on 08/28/2012 12:03:47 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Coleus

Sounds like a Steven Wright line: I called the Oregon suicide hot line, they said OK.


11 posted on 08/28/2012 12:04:49 PM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: penelopesire

“Dr. Death,” Jack Kevorkian, would be so proud were he alive.

Sarah Palin was right: Death Panels!


12 posted on 08/28/2012 12:06:15 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Goldsborough
You support Romney and Obama DEATH PANELs.
May you get exactly what you want for others.


13 posted on 08/28/2012 12:08:58 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Coleus

And if you agree to become Soylent Green they will pay per pound!!


14 posted on 08/28/2012 12:10:49 PM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Goldsborough

“These cases are always sad individually, but collectively they would all bankrupt the system. Even private insurance has caps on it for lifetime expenditures in nearly every policy.”

I rented to a woman who was getting free cancer treatment and surgery; some sort of government assistance. She literally smoked and sipped beer every waking moment. I was over there once really early to fix a leak. She had “staged” a beer and cigarette next to the toilet and lit and popped the beer the moment she got up. When she moved out, with months of unpaid rent, she left $100 worth of EBT card steaks in the refrigerator with the power off for two weeks. She did take all the beer.

Why were the taxpayers paying for her to eat steak and get free medical when she couldn’t be bothered to quit smoking and drinking? How did this woman with all her medical problems afford an awesome quantity of beer and cigarettes daily? Were it not for the taxpayer she might have been forced to make real world economic decisions like buying food instead of beer and cigarettes. Giving up those two things would have done more for her health than any medical care.


15 posted on 08/28/2012 12:12:22 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

This is exactly why these decisions need to be made by the family and any PRIVATE charity that these patients seek help from.

The lady you described would have been told, gently at first, to change her ways or be dropped from the charity.
Then the charity could have privately decided that she was wasting their resources and cut her off until such time as she straightened up.


16 posted on 08/28/2012 12:16:24 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: Coleus

Once again, free enterprise doing what government can’t do.


17 posted on 08/28/2012 12:30:26 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: penelopesire
Not just for Oregon anymore. Coming to a state near you.


18 posted on 08/28/2012 12:35:52 PM PDT by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Diogenesis
You support Romney and Obama DEATH PANELs. May you get exactly what you want for others.,

What on earth did my comment have to do with either Obama or Romney? FWIW, Oregon's "death panel" is home grown, courtesy of now and then Governor John "Dr. No" Kitzhaber.

What I'd like to hear from the critics of health care "rationing? is this: Where is the money for unlimited attempts at saving EVERYONE'S life going to come from? You? I get it that recurrent cancer sucks, but if the patient cannot pay, who is going to? Furthermore, where do you get the moral authority to force everyone else in the country to pay to combat lethal diseases to their bitter ends for everyone else? Are you asserting that health care is an inalienable right?
19 posted on 08/28/2012 12:43:32 PM PDT by Goldsborough
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To: Goldsborough

Until American medicine was DESTROYED by Romney
and Obama, those decisions were personal between
doctor and patient.

There was NO rationing by the government, as there is
now thanks to Romney, Reid, and Obama.


20 posted on 08/28/2012 12:47:52 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Coleus
"We can’t cover everything for everyone," he said.

...and the Libs want single-payer. This should open their eyes, but it won't.

21 posted on 08/28/2012 12:51:49 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: puppypusher

The good new is that if we can shave 10 yrs off the life expectancy, SocSec and Medicare financials ARE FIXED !!


22 posted on 08/28/2012 12:57:14 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: Coleus

Terrific headline Coleus. It says it all.


23 posted on 08/28/2012 1:11:19 PM PDT by bronxville (“We’ve Got A Revolution That Has To Take Place”” - Obama 2004)
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To: Diogenesis; Goldsborough
Diogenesis, get some perspective, this question is age-old.

Neither our country nor any other can afford to give the most advanced care to everyone.

The Left's answer is therefore to provide it to no one (but of course the very wealthy or well-connected will find a way).

The Right way is to allow individuals to provide for their own care. What's originally affordable only to the rich, due to market forces becomes more and more affordable to almost everyone.

The society becomes wealthier, and individuals can provide charity for those among the needy whom they consider deserving.
24 posted on 08/28/2012 1:32:10 PM PDT by kenavi (Obama doesn't hate private equity. He wants to be it with our money.)
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To: kenavi
"Neither our country nor any other can afford to give the most advanced care to everyone."

No one ever did it that way.

Enjoy your RomneyDEATH PANEL when it comes to YOUR Family.

25 posted on 08/28/2012 1:34:35 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Diogenesis
Neither our country nor any other can afford to give the most advanced care to everyone.

No one ever did it that way.

No one ever did which what way? (Nouns are your friends.)

26 posted on 08/28/2012 1:36:36 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Hoodat

the kiss of death - (Kenyan and grey eagle photo)


27 posted on 08/28/2012 1:47:08 PM PDT by Surrounded_too
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To: Diogenesis

yeah, but there is plenty of rationing by for-profit insurance companies and wait-times abound...ever been part of an hmo?


28 posted on 08/28/2012 1:52:53 PM PDT by rskjr
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

i’ve lived in canada, norway and finland and they all do just fine giving health care without breaking their banks to their citizens and to foreigners like me while i was there. check your sources, mon vieux, because they have led you to an epic fail....


29 posted on 08/28/2012 1:53:11 PM PDT by rskjr
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To: årskjærø

Ha-ha, talk about epic fail!

Gone in five days!

he Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
David Gratzer

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html


30 posted on 08/29/2012 9:42:48 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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