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Transparency and Diligence: What the Grassroots Must Do Regarding RNC Rule 12
Freedomworks.org ^ | Shane Wright

Posted on 08/28/2012 12:30:07 PM PDT by elephant

The past 48 hours has been a whirlwind of activity for grassroots activist across the nation, especially here in Tampa Bay. Activist have diligently pushed for state delegations to oppose proposed changes to RNC rules.

Last night there was great optimism after the RNC agreed to compromise on the rule changes in an effort to avoid a floor fight. Unfortunately as a result of that compromise, RNC proposed rule 12, which would allow the RNC to rewrite the rules post convention, free of delegate and grassroots influence, will likely stand.

This new rule could be a huge blow to the grassroots community, the RNC rules committee sets the parameters for how we as a party operate, how we establish the platform and how we choose candidates. Allowing the RNC to change the rules without our influence is a contingency plan for the RNC to keep the power to choose the direction of the GOP out of the hands of patriots like you and me.

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 08/28/2012 12:30:14 PM PDT by elephant
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To: elephant

You have to wonder if the GOP is unwittingly creating its eventual replacement.


2 posted on 08/28/2012 12:32:46 PM PDT by Brookhaven (Freedom--tastes like chicken)
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To: elephant

I don’t want a third party as much as the GOP does.


3 posted on 08/28/2012 12:33:03 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: elephant

Some folks would be happy to hand and foot cuff all Paul delegates and perp walk them out of the hall.


5 posted on 08/28/2012 12:33:18 PM PDT by DManA
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To: elephant
The intentional result of the GOP's 'Big Tent' push of 20 years ago.

Just shut up and sit down, conservatives.

6 posted on 08/28/2012 12:36:34 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: DManA

I don’t know why people look at the Ron Paul cup as being half-empty instead of half-full.

On issues like spending, taxation, and the size of government the Paulanistas and tea partiers have more in common than not. Certainly—when it comes to economics—they have more in common with each other than they do with the GOP-e.


7 posted on 08/28/2012 12:41:24 PM PDT by Brookhaven (Freedom--tastes like chicken)
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To: elephant

rinos.


8 posted on 08/28/2012 12:58:52 PM PDT by Lysander (Paul or not at all.)
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To: elephant
It may actually be time to start considering a third party. We will have to accept the fact that it may result in handing the first election to the RATs, but if that's the price that needs to be paid, then so be it.
9 posted on 08/28/2012 12:59:33 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (It's down to 'anybody but Obama'. And may God forgive me for what I must do in November.)
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To: NurdlyPeon

I will vote for Mittens and no way in hell would I vote for Zero. Yes, I agree, a third party may be the only option to this madness.


10 posted on 08/28/2012 1:05:14 PM PDT by elephant
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To: elephant
Last paragraphs of the FreedomWorks article:

The reality is we must pay as much attention to the RNC as we do the DNC, our movement is threatened from both. We have made, and will continue to make a huge impact on the direction of the GOP. The RNC is terrified of our influence, they are worried that we are constantly lurking to hold them accountable to the will of the people, if they weren’t they would not be fighting so hard for rule 12.

As of 3:00pm EST today, according to journalist TP Carney, there appears to be an effort to gather signatures to push for a floor on the minority report. We'll keep working this story as breaking news happens.

I went to Eagle Forum's list of Rules Committee delegates and sent text messages to mine. I hope they are all getting messages, calls, emails, and that they do the right thing, or the GOP will wither as the RINOs send us elsewhere for proper representation.

11 posted on 08/28/2012 1:07:52 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: onemiddleamerican

So, how do we get Tea Party folks in these positions on the rules committee and the other places from which the GOPe is exerting force on the party?


12 posted on 08/28/2012 1:10:13 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: Brookhaven

They can’t forgive him for his position on the use of the military.


13 posted on 08/28/2012 1:12:04 PM PDT by DManA
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To: MrB

Don’t you get it? You don’t. They can’t. Their role is to send money, vote, and shut up.


14 posted on 08/28/2012 1:13:42 PM PDT by DManA
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To: elephant

When will “ - - - RNC proposed rule 12 - - - “ be voted on?


15 posted on 08/28/2012 1:22:52 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: DManA

I didn’t say forgive Ron Paul (who, after this election cycle will be fading into the political sunset).

What I said was we should look on the positive side of his supporters. A group largely made up of young people who are economicly conservative and who think we should take the Constitution seriously (gasp).


16 posted on 08/28/2012 1:32:30 PM PDT by Brookhaven (Freedom--tastes like chicken)
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To: Brookhaven

I agree. The republicans should embrace and encourage them.


17 posted on 08/28/2012 1:34:15 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Graewoulf

Here is what has just been tweeted by Michelle Malkin -
“Thanks to Boehner’s deaf ears, minority reports squashed. Floor fight squashed. Mission accomplished, party bosses.”


18 posted on 08/28/2012 1:36:36 PM PDT by elephant
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To: MrB
Well, we don't anymore, apparently. Rule 12, among the other rules, were voted on, voice, definitely NOT unanimous, passed per Boehner. The GOPe can dump delegates and delegations and seat whoever they damn well please, it seems.

Shut up, send money, shut up, send more money and vote for who we tell you to vote for.

19 posted on 08/28/2012 1:44:10 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: onemiddleamerican

To hell with that.

It took me a long time to become even a little bit comfortable with the fact that we’re getting the Socialism Lite candidate. After the backstabbing of the entire conservative movement by the RINOs today, I am DONE with the RNC.

Obama is going to walk away with this election, because the GOP republicans were too stupid, too weak, and too in love with the effete platitudes of being lifetime poitical hacks.

I’ll be voting third party for the first time in my life this november.


20 posted on 08/28/2012 2:01:17 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: elephant

What is the exact wording of this rule 12? I’d say before we get too worked up about it, based on what others say it says, we should all look at it ourselves. I’m somewhat limited right now, but will continue to look for it myself (I’m stuck surfing on my iPhone).

But for example, from what I briefly saw before (earlier in the day) it (rule 12) says 75% of the RNC must agree to any changes in off convention years. Now, I’d ask: Does this mean 75% of all in the RNC or 75% of those who respond to a proposed change? The latter could be devastating in off election years when no one is watching but the former would seem to be a high hurdle even given a lot of “back room deals”.

So again, what’s the exact reading of the entire “Rule 12”? Then let’s go from there. Let’s be careful here, this is not a time to go off half cocked.


21 posted on 08/28/2012 2:24:28 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: snowrip
...too in love with the effete platitudes of being lifetime poitical hacks.

That has to stop; one way is with term limits. No perks or pensions for Congress that any working person in the same earning range couldn't have. Two terms per position, then out.

22 posted on 08/28/2012 2:29:45 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: DManA

It ain’t about the Paulista’s it is about having the delegates being nothing but rubber stamps for the GOP~e who would rather suck donkey dick than fight to restore the Constitutional Republic .


23 posted on 08/28/2012 2:48:18 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: All

Update:

What follows is the exact wording of “Rule 12”, as best as I can determine at this time (gop.com does not seem to have this up at this time, which is probably a CYA maneuver):

“The Republican National Committee may, by three-fourths (3/4) vote of its entire membership, amend Rule Nos. 1-11 and 13-25. Any such amendment shall be considered by the Republican National Committee only if it was passed by a majority vote of the Standing Committee on Rules after having been submitted in writing at least ten (10) days in advance of its consideration by the Republican National Committee and shall take effect thirty (30) days after adoption. No such amendment shall be adopted after September 30, 2014.”

First, one (small) positive to be taken from this: A careful reading of this rule clearly indicates rule 12 itself cannot be changed. Why is this a positive? Because of the last line that reads, “No such amendment shall be adopted after September 30, 2014.”

Thus, we must be vigilant over the next two years, but only the next 2 years, not 4. That is, in the last 2 years, we can focus more on much more relevant concerns, such as holding Romney’s feet to the conservative fire (or if he looses, nominating a true conservative in 2016).

That’s the only real “positive” here, as far as I can see. This is, as feared, much more disastrous. After all, as is pointed out here: www.preservetheparty.com “A compromise is being reported that doesn’t fix the real problem. Rule 12 is reportedly still intact. With Rule 12 intact, the only thing preventing the RNC from adding back in the exact same language after the convention is a 3/4 vote. That looks high, but multiple RNC members have testified that it is not — the chair always gets what he wants if he wants it bad enough. Further, there’s no attempt to preserve the strength of the individual states. Vote strength at the convention is based on delegation size, but in the RNC it’s three for every state. If this change is adopted, small blue states will have the exact same voice and vote as Texas.

Note, at that same site (preservetheparty.com) there is also additional commentary from Morton Blackwell, who LLS mentioned previously, was on the Mark Levin show criticizing this “deal”.

Bottom line? IMO, it’s as said elsewhere: We now have to be as vigilant towards the RNC as the DNC (if not more so IMO, since complacency on our part is a real danger with the RNC).

Second “bottom line” (IMO): It would be, at this time, presumptuous and too risky to think of a third party jump, HOWEVER, this disgrace of clear elitist influence makes it, IMO, only “presumptuous” by the THINNEST of margins.

Again, we must NOW police the RNC VERY CLOSELY, and make our voices heard with regularity and force against any rule changes that could favor an elitist candidate such as Romney in the future (again presuming he doesn’t win this year).......

...these are my thoughts now, given the state of this insanity, now. May change in the future. Any rule change under this new rule (12) that would favor a “backroom deal” type of candidate, an “elitist” candidate, would be, IMO, the last straw. It would destroy any semblance of “place” a true conservative voice could, or would expect in the GOP. At that time, the only reasonable option would be a third party, as the last vestige of “conservatism” in the GOP would be destroyed.


24 posted on 08/28/2012 4:54:27 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Mamzelle
I don't want a third party as much as the GOP does.

Apparently so.

With the goo-pees overt attack on grassroot conservatives that refuse to drink the "Rule-aid," they are sprinting to the insignificance of third-party status.

True conservatives will not need to lift a finger...

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25 posted on 08/28/2012 8:27:12 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: elephant

Thanks.


26 posted on 08/28/2012 9:28:29 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: snowrip

...’ll be voting third party for the first time in my life this november.

I would rather stay home than spit in the wind to accomplish nothing at all.

upon reflection I will be voting this November - for Romney/ryan.


27 posted on 08/29/2012 6:25:08 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Mamzelle

You won’t be voting for a third party. You’ll be voting for a SECOND party.


28 posted on 08/30/2012 7:33:26 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (WILLARD 2012 - It's not just a campaign, it's a conservative suicide pact!)
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To: NurdlyPeon

What’s the difference between handing an election to the ‘rats and handing it to the gop who is doing it’s best to imitate them?


29 posted on 08/30/2012 7:36:32 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (WILLARD 2012 - It's not just a campaign, it's a conservative suicide pact!)
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To: snowrip

You’ll have a bit of company. My first time to pull the lever for a SECOND party in many years.


30 posted on 08/30/2012 7:39:36 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (WILLARD 2012 - It's not just a campaign, it's a conservative suicide pact!)
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To: NurdlyPeon

You can’t be serious ..?? A third party is not the solution.

A better plan is to load the Congress with Tea Partiers and that should end the battle.

Boehner will have no place to hide and will be forced to see things differently.

I will never, ever, support a third party!!!!!


31 posted on 09/03/2012 4:18:01 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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