Posted on 08/28/2012 1:19:22 PM PDT by NYer
Since you find these comments to be “surreal” perhaps this series of thoughts says it better.
Everyone who supported slavery was never a slave.
Everyone who supports abortion has already been born.
I have no moral argument with this. The prospect that makes me ill is the rapist coming along after the birth demanding his parental rights and custody, etc. No rape victim should have to put up with that.
That's essentially how Tiller the killer skirted the Kansas restrictions on late term abortions.
While I admit that is a frightening possibility, the thought of destroying human life and having to answer to it before God on Judgement Day, would be even more intimidating.
My solution to that is to make forcible rape a capitol offense. Barring that, a conviction of rape should nullify any parental rights asserted by the rapist.
Speaking from a strictly medical standpoint, perhaps there is a FReeper who has a base of knowledge who can explain how the deliberate taking of a child's life would be necessary to save a mother. Apart from an ectopic pregnancy, I would think that most life-imperiling situations would occur later in a pregnancy, and with advances in neo-natal care, a c-section or induced labor would, in my non-medical mind, be far less traumatic than an abortion and allow for attempts to preserve both lives. Depending on the circumstances, a child delivered prematurely may not survive, but I can't conceive how deliberately killing it in utero would, under any circumstances, protect, preserve or enhance the health of the mother.
Having said that, in the extreme hypothetical, where it could be demonstrated that the child had to be killed to save the mother's life, and there was no other option, I would view it as I would a justifiable homocide.
It's an extreme situation and I suppose it requires an extreme analogy, but suppose a 20-year-old who was truly insane, and like an unborn child, had absolutely no capacity whatsoever to differentiate right from wrong, posed an immediate, direct threat to the life of his mother, I don't think there's a FReeper here who would deny the mother the use of lethal force to defend her life. It would be sad, traumatic and tragic, but it would be necessary. Similarly, if a compelling case could be made that the mother's only option to preserve her life was to kill her unborn child, then I would view that too as tragic, but justifiable. I just think that's an extreme case, and would think that in all but very, very rare exceptions induced labor, or c-section would be viable, if not better options and offer the opportunity to save both lives.
That’s obvious, and it could have been done fifty years ago. What has changed is the culture. When New York relaxed its abortion laws around 1972, the proviso was that abortion would be allowed in cases where it was necessary to safeguard the mother’s health. A standard that was so loose that effectively any pretext could be used to medically justify an abortion. Abortion mills made little pretext about determining the health issues. If you showed up, you needed the “health services” on offer.
This article is a definite bookmark for me. I hope others will read it and send it along for many to read. I am sure that it will be used to change hearts and minds.
I have never heard of such a thing, since the rapist is likely serving a serious prison sentence, and anyway, parental rights can be terminated by the courts.
If you know of such a case I'd be interested in hearing about it.
If you do that you will have a lot more dead rape victims, as the perp incurs no additional punishment by eliminating the main witness against him. Bad idea. Bad bad. And it's "capital."
Nope. I oppose abortion. But our courts are sick - I wouldn’t put it past some judge to award parental rights to a rapist.
“My solution to that is to make forcible rape a capitol offense. Barring that, a conviction of rape should nullify any parental rights asserted by the rapist.”
Rape is far too easy to lie about to give an accused person the death penalty. Just look at that Georgia teenager that just did five years and missed playing college football because a girl lied. She admitted it recently and he was released. Another inmate in Oklahoma was released after sixteen years when DNA evidence proved he was not the perpetrator. Regardless, I agree no baby should receive the death penalty because of the circumstances of his/her conception.
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