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Marines, civilian police officers conduct urban training exercise(What Posse Comitatus?)
WNCT Channel 9, North Carolina ^ | August 23, 2012 | Tony Rawlings

Posted on 08/28/2012 5:22:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee

CAMP LEJEUNE, N.C. - Training at Camp Lejeune Thursday looked and felt real -- and that was the point. Law officers and marines from across the country ended their training with a bang.

Thursday was the final day of exercises for law enforcement and marines who have gone through special reaction team training at Camp Lejeune for the past three weeks. In the final exercise, teams were presented with a series of real life scenarios as well as hands on instruction to handle them correctly.

Brian Dye, Operations Chief of I&I in Lexington, Kentucky says training civilians as a blended force with Marine Corps personnel eases the transition into a real world scenario.

"I think it's always good when you get an opportunity to work on some similar tactics and procedures so that everybody's kind of operating on the same page. That way when you bring teams together from active duty and the civilian side, it makes the integration a whole lot smoother."

The tactics trainees take away from this course just may help save lives. This three week SRT training course is phase one for law enforcement and Marine Corps personnel. Phase two will focus on sniper and designated marksmanship training.


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Can somebody explain to me why the active duty military is training civilian police from around the nation to work WITH them in combined operations? Anybody ever heard of the Posse Comitatus Act? I understand the military using role-players to practice working with FOREIGN police. And I understand civilian police getting SWAT training. But why are the Marines practicing WITH police to conduct combined ops, here in America? Are we still the USA, or the USSA? When did this happen?

"I think it's always good when you get an opportunity to work on some similar tactics and procedures so that everybody's kind of operating on the same page. That way when you bring teams together from active duty and the civilian side, it makes the integration a whole lot smoother."

What "INTEGRATION?" What the hell is going on in America? Is it related to the billion hollowpoint bullets the DHS is buying?

"Phase two will focus on sniper and designated marksmanship training."

Oh, joy! Welcome to the USSA, comrades!

1 posted on 08/28/2012 5:22:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee

The White House (Moslem Caliphate) has ordered
the hollow point bullets to murder Americans who
are loyal to the Constitution over the Caliphate.


2 posted on 08/28/2012 5:23:38 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; ..

CW2 Ping

(Pull quote)

"I think it's always good when you get an opportunity to work on some similar tactics and procedures so that everybody's kind of operating on the same page. That way when you bring teams together from active duty and the civilian side, it makes the integration a whole lot smoother."

3 posted on 08/28/2012 5:26:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

What is I&I, as in “Brian Dye, Operations Chief of I&I”?

Good find.


4 posted on 08/28/2012 5:30:50 PM PDT by ThirdMate
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To: ThirdMate

Beats me. Intelligence and Interrogation? That will do unless we know otherwise.

Quisling bastards.


5 posted on 08/28/2012 5:32:27 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
All you liberals and ostriches say it together now as you are being taken to the camps

"HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?!"


6 posted on 08/28/2012 5:32:56 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Normalcy results in the creation of life, Sodomy results in AIDS)
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To: Travis McGee
they aren't even trying to hide it anymore... it's coming
7 posted on 08/28/2012 5:33:48 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Diogenesis

I have actually never read the Posse Commitatus act so I could be wrong. Anyway it has not prevented Presidents from using the military as police inside the country.

Eisenhower used Federal Troops to integrate Central High in Little Rock, and Truman had the Army take over the trains, Also Reagan had military air controllers take over air traffic control.

I suspect some of it was illegal but like I say, I am not an expert on that law.


8 posted on 08/28/2012 5:34:51 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Travis McGee

WHO YOU CALLING A PUSSY COMMUNIST??!!!


9 posted on 08/28/2012 5:36:18 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Chode

No, these are intentional “public reaction probes.” The release of the info on the billion bullets, all of it.

It’s designed to test when folks will say, ENOUGH.

And if folks stuidly react with violence, it gives them the pretext to ramp up reactions to the “outbreak of domestic terror.”


10 posted on 08/28/2012 5:36:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Perhaps Internment and Indoctrination?

The FedGov has basically annexed local police deprtments through training and grants for equipment, under the aegis of DHS.

Check out the influence if NHTSA also.


11 posted on 08/28/2012 5:39:36 PM PDT by ThirdMate
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To: Travis McGee
yup, they're simply trying to provoke it...
12 posted on 08/28/2012 5:41:39 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Travis McGee

The Marine Corps was never subject tp Posse Comitatus. They are a naval force subject to Admiralty jurisdiction ... since 10 November, 1775.


13 posted on 08/28/2012 5:42:09 PM PDT by Mormon Cricket
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To: Diogenesis

Since when does the Muslim in Chief pay attention to the Constitution? If Obama wins he will continue his work to “transform” America...if he looses Barry will blame racist tea partiers and keep the results tied up in liberal courts long enough to subdue the rest of us.


14 posted on 08/28/2012 5:44:44 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: Travis McGee

Posse Comitatus applies only to the Army, not the Navy (and by extension, the Marines).

Supposedly, the Navy and Marines are in practice included in Posse Comitatus by DOD Regulation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

I’m not taking any comfort from the fact that this doesn’t sound like a Posse Comitatus violation.


15 posted on 08/28/2012 5:45:23 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Lawyerly wonking of the legalisms of the PCA doesn’t diminish the fact that the guy said we’re integrating the operational capabilities of the military and civilian police, with an eye toward conducting joint ops.

That should not be happening in the USA. The USSA, maybe.


16 posted on 08/28/2012 5:48:56 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: KC_Lion

I don’t hear any republicans complaining either.

Martial law will be implemented very soon. Especially if Israel hits Iran. Netanyahou thinks obama will have to come to their aid in order to win the election. If that doesn’t happen some other excuse will be used.

And for those who think our soldiers won’t fire on civilians, will civilians fire on our soldiers?


17 posted on 08/28/2012 5:49:46 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Travis McGee

The LAPD SWAT trained the Marines out in California all the time. The reason; LAPD had more urban combat experience. One reason the Marines went back to the 1911 .45 was the LAPD SWAT used it. This has been going on for some time.


18 posted on 08/28/2012 5:53:17 PM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: DuncanWaring; Mormon Cricket
At 2:00 a.m. Monday morning, 800 State Police Officers and 8,000 National Guardsmen were ordered to the city by Michigan Governor George Romney. They were later augmented by 4,700 paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne Division ordered in by President Lyndon Johnson.

FORT CAMPBELL, Ky. (Army News Service, Sept. 20, 2007) - Fifty years ago the 101st Airborne Division entered Little Rock, Ark., on orders of the president of the United States. The mission: to uphold a Supreme Court ruling to integrate public schools.

We used to prefer paratroopers.

19 posted on 08/28/2012 5:54:42 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Terry Mross
Americans would NEVER take up arms against each other.

Federal Troops would NEVER fire on their countrymen.

Opps, Maybe they would...

20 posted on 08/28/2012 5:55:31 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Normalcy results in the creation of life, Sodomy results in AIDS)
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To: Travis McGee

The megalomaniacal goons in the Zero admin would be well to remember Mogadishu.

On January 20th, with no elections, the office of President becomes vacant. That’s less than 5 months from today. Any federal official executing the orders of Barack Hussein Obama from that day forward will be engaging in an acts of terrorism, treason, sedition, and open war against the United States of America.

At that point all your legal protections will be gone. Then it’s open season.


21 posted on 08/28/2012 5:57:16 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: Azeem

The ‘Marines’ have not gone back to the .45, their Special Ops people have decided to join all the other Spec-Ops and use the .45.


22 posted on 08/28/2012 5:58:18 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Chode

Looks like the dog target practice has paid off.

Now we’re the vicious curs.


23 posted on 08/28/2012 5:59:30 PM PDT by Salamander (Holy muscle of love. I got a muscle of love.)
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To: ThirdMate
What is I&I, as in “Brian Dye, Operations Chief of I&I”?

Inspector and Instructor duty for a Marine Reserve unit. So Brian is likely a SNCO with the active component of a Marine Reserve outfit.

24 posted on 08/28/2012 6:01:19 PM PDT by xone
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To: Travis McGee

Like I said, just because they technically may not have yet crossed the line of violating the law I’m not any happier about it.

They clearly are planning to violate the law.

I believe in some circles that’s called “conspiracy”.

If you and I were to conspire to rob a bank, but didn’t actually rob a bank, we still face prosecution for conspiracy to rob a bank.


25 posted on 08/28/2012 6:07:15 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: KC_Lion

They pimped him as the “new Lincoln”.

That made my blood run cold.

Remember “The Baltimore riot”.


26 posted on 08/28/2012 6:08:06 PM PDT by Salamander (Holy muscle of love. I got a muscle of love.)
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To: Travis McGee

Surely the Marines will not attack the citizens by order of the Pretender.

Yet, there is this odd bit of news out there:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/49107

worth a read. Not a blog. Something is up.


27 posted on 08/28/2012 6:08:36 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: KC_Lion

You don’t need to go back to the Late Unpleasantness for an example.

Use the Bonus Army.


28 posted on 08/28/2012 6:09:55 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee
Can somebody explain to me why the active duty military is training civilian police from around the nation to work WITH them in combined operations? Anybody ever heard of the Posse Comitatus Act? I understand the military using role-players to practice working with FOREIGN police. And I understand civilian police getting SWAT training. But why are the Marines practicing WITH police to conduct combined ops, here in America? Are we still the USA, or the USSA? When did this happen?

1. Ever stop to wonder who is training security forces (ie police) in places like, oh I dunno Iraq and Afghanistan?

2. Ever wonder if it is MPs learning from their civilian counterparts to respond to situations that happen on military installations/deployed areas?

3. Did you look up "I&I" to discover it is Inspector/Instructor (active duty staff at a reserve station), or the USMC Reserve Unit (couldn't possibly be MILITARY POLICE Company A, Lexington, KY) in KY to see what it was?

4. Reservists train 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks a year....ergo, the best people to learn from would be, perhaps PEOPLE (police) THAT DO IT EVERY DAY.

5. Yes, INTEGRATION. If you line everyone up in the same stack, you have the subject matter experts (civ police) right there to assist with the tactics; vice having an all police stack as a demonstration and an all Marine stack doing trial by error.

I'm guessing you answered "NO" to all of the above and just knee-jerked.

Good Lord......everything is not some conspiracy to kill the civilian populace. Find a sponsor and drive through Camp Lejeune; I promise (as in I see it every day), it's nothing but Gadsden Flags and NOBAMA stickers.

Anyhow, if you want Marines to deploy to the Afghan two-way rifle range without proper training, why don't you just go over there instead with whatever lack of know-how you have?

29 posted on 08/28/2012 6:12:11 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: Travis McGee

When I was a little boy, too young to read we lived in Panama City. I recall seeing a picture in the Panama City News Herald which showed soldiers in the streets burning tables etc.

I asked my Mother what it was and she said it was “marshall law in Phenix City, Alabama.” Around 20 years later I was working in South Alabama with some of the Federal agents who used to work in Phenix City. They had some great war storied to tell.

Of course Phenix City was taken over by National Guard under the Governor who ordered the martial law.


30 posted on 08/28/2012 6:13:59 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Repeat Offender
"I think it's always good when you get an opportunity to work on some similar tactics and procedures so that everybody's kind of operating on the same page. That way when you bring teams together from active duty and the civilian side, it makes the integration a whole lot smoother."

These guys aren't getting ready for Afghanistan.

31 posted on 08/28/2012 6:15:25 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Salamander
i'm afraid you are right...
32 posted on 08/28/2012 6:19:31 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: KC_Lion

Oh, yes they will. I don’t think a small NG unit in a small town would fire on their friends and family. So, that unit will be sent to another town.


33 posted on 08/28/2012 6:20:01 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Travis McGee
Beats me. Intelligence and Interrogation? That will do unless we know otherwise.

Quisling bastards

Try Inspector/Instructor staff, dumbass. It's Active Duty guys that lock on training for Reservists.

Oh, and for your Quisling Bastard remark.....GF Yourself......I have lost many of my buddies. In a single day 25/46 Marines in my Plt were wounded. I have 4 back to back combat deployments to Iraq as a Marine and shrapnel in my lung from some piece of s4!t muslim for your right to call Marines "quisling bastards." I just wouldn't recommend saying it to my face.

34 posted on 08/28/2012 6:20:12 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: Travis McGee

Buddy, MOUT is so trendy and stylish—especially when civilians dressed like commandos (as seen on TV) are doing it with those tacticool and very short weapons that can spit 5.56 mm projectiles. Brilliant.

[Little humor there.]


35 posted on 08/28/2012 6:20:55 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Salamander; DuncanWaring
I looked it up.

Do you mean 1861 or 1968?

I am a First Generation American, so I do not have the attachment to the First Civil War like many of you do.

As for the Bonus Army.

Hell, I would use Ruby Ridge or Waco, I was only a kid when those happened, but it sounds like that caused a bunch of CW2 warning buzzers to go off.

36 posted on 08/28/2012 6:21:51 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Normalcy results in the creation of life, Sodomy results in AIDS)
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To: Travis McGee

“”Phase two will focus on sniper and designated marksmanship training.” “

And there are those that call US CRAZY??? Yeah, I think not. As my old tagline was, I’ll put it back.


37 posted on 08/28/2012 6:22:14 PM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: Travis McGee

The “Path to 9-11” movie sets the stage for this nonsense. But Perot’s battle with the GOP establishment is the inevitable precursor to the negligent administration it installed.

It’s amazing how the GOP-establishment is somehow involved in the ongoing adversity the Country is suffering.


38 posted on 08/28/2012 6:24:11 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Travis McGee

I am confident that some of he resident judas goats on this forum will come along quickly and inform you that you have nothing to worry about.


39 posted on 08/28/2012 6:24:25 PM PDT by sport
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To: NY Attitude

Later


40 posted on 08/28/2012 6:24:26 PM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: DuncanWaring
These guys aren't getting ready for Afghanistan.

I'm guessing you've been to Afghanistan as an MP and know their work-ups?

Or, I;m guess you are absolutely 100% positive that they don't work with C-I-V-I-L-I-A-N law enforcement in Afghanistan?

And of course, there aren't any civilian military police either? (yes actually, there are)

41 posted on 08/28/2012 6:28:21 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: KC_Lion

1861.

The US troops killed MD residents who were US citizens as MD had not seceded.

Kinda like Kent State, on steroids.

History tends to repeat itself.

CW2 is probably inevitable...and predictable.

“The rebel traitors” will be out-manned, outgunned and underfunded and it won’t drag on for four years.

It’ll be over pretty quick.

They’re already making sure of that.


42 posted on 08/28/2012 6:29:57 PM PDT by Salamander (Holy muscle of love. I got a muscle of love.)
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To: sport

Already been done.


43 posted on 08/28/2012 6:30:42 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee

If we were expecting a military invasion, I think we could see some need for this. If we’re not, I see no reason for it whatsoever.

There’s a move in this nation to transition the police and federal law enforcement into some sort of full blown military service.

The obvious lessons from the past are completely lost on these bastards.

Shades of Crystal Nacht are entirely possible in the place we’re headed. All some group, any group has to do, is be labeled as terrorist [ tea party members for example ], and a nation wide effort for internal security forces to round them up could easily go forth.

This from a group that couldn’t lift one finger to stop our nation from being occupied by tens of millions of foreign nationals.

There’s a new show on NBC that has slipped in a few swat and other police officers into a group of ex-military, in order to earn donations for veteran type support operations. The officers may be obtaining donations for police type support groups.

The point is, I don’t want the police being seen in the same light as our troops who fight on foreign soil.

We are the targets of the police. The Taliban are the targets of our troops on foreign soil. Is there a difference? I should certainly hope so.

The blurring of these lines is VERY problematic IMO.

If folks would like to learn more about the NBC show, here is a link. The fact that Westly Clark is the ex military person co-hosting the show, should make some folks blood boil.

http://www.nbc.com/stars-earn-stripes/


44 posted on 08/28/2012 6:30:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Americans want what Americans always wanted: Better lives for families; little government authority.)
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To: FlyingEagle

That article just got a thread pulled.

Save it while you can.


45 posted on 08/28/2012 6:31:15 PM PDT by Salamander (Holy muscle of love. I got a muscle of love.)
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To: Travis McGee

Unless I’m mistaken, the Posse Comitatus act was allowed to expire. I think during Bush’s presidency.


46 posted on 08/28/2012 6:31:37 PM PDT by SquarePants
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To: Repeat Offender

There are none so blind as those who will not see.


47 posted on 08/28/2012 6:31:54 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee

Pls excuse the back to back posts, but here’s what Wikipedia had to say about it:

“In 2006, the Congress modified the Insurrection Act as part of the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill (repealed as of 2008).
On September 26, 2006, President Bush urged Congress to consider revising federal laws so that U.S. armed forces could restore public order and enforce laws in the aftermath of a natural disaster, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition.
These changes were included in the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122), which was signed into law on October 17, 2006.[8]
Section 1076 is titled “Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies.” It provided that:
The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.[9]
In 2008, these changes in the Insurrection Act of 1807 were repealed in their entirety, reverting to the previous wording of the Insurrection Act[10] that in its original form was written to limit Presidential power as much as possible in the event of insurrection, rebellion, or lawlessness.”


48 posted on 08/28/2012 6:33:23 PM PDT by SquarePants
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To: Chode; central_va

We’re all “Dixie” now.


49 posted on 08/28/2012 6:33:37 PM PDT by Salamander (Holy muscle of love. I got a muscle of love.)
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To: Terry Mross

Wearing nice powder-blue helmets, perhaps?


50 posted on 08/28/2012 6:35:12 PM PDT by Salamander (Holy muscle of love. I got a muscle of love.)
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