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California bans 'gay cure' therapy as lawmakers say they want to protect 'sissy boys'
Daily Mail ^ | August. 29, 2012 | Kerry Mcdermott

Posted on 08/29/2012 10:35:52 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

A bill prohibiting the use of controversial therapy aimed at 'curing' homosexuality on gay teenagers has been approved by California's Assembly, bringing the state a step closer to becoming the first in the U.S. to outlaw the practice.

The vote in the Democratic-controlled Assembly on Tuesday represented a major victory for gay rights advocates who insist that so-called conversion therapy has no medical basis because homosexuality is not a disorder.

Democrat Richardo Lara, one of several openly gay legislators to champion the bill during the debate, urged Assembly members to stand with 'sissy boys'.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: democrats; disorders; homosexualagenda; homosexuallinks; moralabsolutes; parentalrights; parenting; psychology

1 posted on 08/29/2012 10:35:56 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The same crowd that declares healthy, high energy young boys diseased and must be medicated.


2 posted on 08/29/2012 10:49:02 AM PDT by LaserJock
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Seems like a pretty obvious attack on free speech.


3 posted on 08/29/2012 10:50:04 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind...)
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To: andyk

It’s an attack on the practice of medicine.


4 posted on 08/29/2012 10:52:07 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is unconstitutional beyond belief....at least it is now.
So it will be against the law for straight parents to try and get their kids counseling for confused sexual identity?
Riiiiiiight. And I bet it’ll be considered child abuse too.
White middle class parents will only be affected. Noway these white lefties will mess with a black single mom over this gay kid issue.


5 posted on 08/29/2012 10:52:37 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Free ThinkerNY


gay rights advocates who insist that so-called conversion therapy has no medical basis because homosexuality is not a disorder

The first step is admitting you have a problem.


6 posted on 08/29/2012 10:55:17 AM PDT by running_dog_lackey
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To: Free ThinkerNY

But the Sandusky method of trying make homos out of the nearest kids is left alone?


7 posted on 08/29/2012 10:56:44 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I was struck that in relation to the play and movie “Tea and Sympathy”, which is about a college coach’s wife’s attempts at helping a sexually confused male student, lead actress Deborah Kerr received numerous letters from many people having struggled with similar issues. One letter in particular, about the drama’s character, which she kept, stated essentially, “I wish I could have known someone like you in those years. Now it is too late.”

There evidently is a time of confusion for many a potential homosexual when they might have preferred a life of “normalcy” with a spouse and children rather than one of myriad unhappiness no matter how hard they might struggle to put that same stamp on what it can never be.


8 posted on 08/29/2012 11:04:29 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Free ThinkerNY
As I understand it, there is nothing physically dangerous in this therapy, (i.e. there is no wrapping the person up in heavy blankets and beating on them while they recreate being "born"). If people want to take the therapy, let them.

Oh, that's right. The homosexual activists don't want that. They're still trying to convince people it isn't a choice.

Sorry, folks. . .behavior is ALWAYS a choice.

9 posted on 08/29/2012 11:06:13 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: VanDeKoik

Yeah, I had the same thought.


10 posted on 08/29/2012 11:14:53 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So homepathic “cures” cure, but any approach to helping someone is not a cure if it doesn’t fit your definition of helping, whether it fits that defintition to the person being treated or not - according to Lib thinking.

I don’t believe in 12 step programs. I think they establish permanent dependcy on the program, a programmed dependency, not what I believe is a necesssary one; and necessary or unnecessary it is a legal treatment. I think it’s quackery, but if I were a lawmaker I’d consider it none of my business if people wanted to use it.

The difference; I’m a Conservative and the legislators in California are Libs (mostly) - Nazi-like, bussy-body Libs; going to change the world by chaining everyone to their opinion.


11 posted on 08/29/2012 11:16:32 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If my son ever tells me he is gay, you better believe I will be doing everything in my power to straighten him out. Luckily, it doesn’t appear that will be a problem.


12 posted on 08/29/2012 11:18:43 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Do not attempt to interfere with government attempts to manufacture homosexual democrat voters.


13 posted on 08/29/2012 11:18:57 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Wuli

I’m not a fan of 12 step programs either, but they are better than having an alcoholic, drug addict, or homosexual family member.


14 posted on 08/29/2012 11:22:27 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Parents of so-called gay children should first look into the mirror before they cart their children off to some sort of therapy that purports to "cure" homosexuality.

IMO, it is major disfunctionality of some sort, or in some cases outright abuse, that causes children to travel down that path.

15 posted on 08/29/2012 11:26:51 AM PDT by GSWarrior (Businessmen are more trustworthy than professors, politicians and preachers.)
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To: GSWarrior

That is often the case, but I can 100% guarantee you my brother, who went down that path, was not abused. At least not at home...


16 posted on 08/29/2012 11:31:20 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Going by the comment voting at that link the tide has really turned against the radical homos, six months ago the voting and comments would be overwhelmingly in support of the gays but now it’s the opposite.

More results of the much needed Chick-Fil-A lesson that pierced through the propaganda bubble last month?


17 posted on 08/29/2012 11:37:15 AM PDT by Teflonic
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To: Teflonic

From the UK much less.


18 posted on 08/29/2012 11:38:43 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If this becomes law, it will prevent therapists and parents who believe that a child could be helped with a disordered sexuality from doing anything that leads in the direction of healing. They would be forced into allowing the gay advocacy groups to take charge and guide the minor into embracing the gay lifestyle. Which is of course the whole point of such legislation. No choice.


19 posted on 08/29/2012 11:39:39 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So, if a gay gene is proven, will California outlaw abortions?


20 posted on 08/29/2012 11:53:01 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

With progressive leadership like this it won’t be much longer before California is primarily populated with illegals, queers, dope peddlers, arrogant leftist professors and other government employees.

Sensible people do not have to live under the progressives’ Police State Tyranny that forces them to accept sexual perversion as normal and to provide cradle to grave welfare for illegals and moochers.


21 posted on 08/29/2012 11:56:54 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Yet another reason for normals to abandon the Freak State with alacrity.


22 posted on 08/29/2012 12:02:45 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: BenLurkin

That’s true as well, no doubt. Hard to believe society could outlaw any kind of therapy, especially when it comes down to a transfer of thoughts and ideas between two people.


23 posted on 08/29/2012 12:06:37 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Will people like Joseph Nicolosi who has been quite successful with reparative therapy in California now be persecuted?


24 posted on 08/29/2012 12:09:57 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: wolfman23601

maybe, but I reject the belief that they are necessary, at all

they keep people believing that they are unable to prevent their own alcoholism, or any other addiction,

instead of teaching them that

(a)they really are in charge,

(b)the switch they need to turn is very large, but it is very weak (they’re so scared of how big it is they don’t really try to turn it), and

(c) if they want to take control and decide to totally take control they actually can do it, even on their own.

Those are truths.

As long as they remain in a 12 step porgram they are not taught them; instead they are taught they need the program.


25 posted on 08/29/2012 12:12:36 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Free ThinkerNY

A male trying to mate with another male’s anal canal is insane. A female trying to mate with another female with a rubber appliance is insane. It’s like Aunt Rosie sitting at your dinner table trying to eat by sticking a spatula in her ear and telling you that’s her lifestyle. It may be, but it’s still insane behavior. California legislators can pass a law outlawing the night, but it’s still going to get dark.


26 posted on 08/29/2012 12:14:19 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Wuli
Uh....12 step program worked for me. I have control and decide what I want to do with my life. It wasn't always that way.

Who is this "they" you refer to?

27 posted on 08/29/2012 12:16:25 PM PDT by GSWarrior (Businessmen are more trustworthy than professors, politicians and preachers.)
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To: Wuli

I agree with you, just pointing out that I’d rather someone be addicted to the program, which doesn’t cost anything, than the drug etc. The program definitely creates dependency and definitely is a form of insitutionalism and brainwashing, but it is less destructive than the alternative for some people. I think generally speaking it is a last resort for certain flawed people that seek crutches. You generally don’t see people turn to AA the first time they get drunk and do something they regret. It usually takes a long series of events with intermittant periods of trying to do it on their own.


28 posted on 08/29/2012 12:22:10 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Homosexuality is the only psycho-social or physiological anomaly that we do not try to prevent, treat, or cure.

To act like rejecting one of the core foundations of animals (procreation) is “normal” is a pretty weak argument unless you also like to debate that schizophrenia is also “normal” and should be respected - and NOT treated.

That it effects about the same amount (or less) of our population that have autism should clue the reasonable human into what is actually occurring... An anomaly.

It may be “natural,” but it isn’t “normal.”

You may have been born with it, but it doesn’t mean that you were supposed to be. You’re not evil because you’re gay, but stop trying to argue that it’s as normal as the other 99% of us.

I think of the whole thing like having 6 fingers on one hand: if you’re cool with it that way then that’s fine - go about your life. If you think that you’d like to have 5 fingers, then go see a specialist and make that happen. I don’t care either way.

But don’t try to tell me with a straight face that your 6 fingers are “normal,” ‘cause it ain’t, man.


29 posted on 08/29/2012 1:29:07 PM PDT by Noamie
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To: Free ThinkerNY
And if evidence is gathered that having an abortion is bad for the woman's psychological health?

I tell you: the pro-abortion Democrats have all but built a bridge of precedents that the pro-life circuit can walk right over.

Strangely, given the libs' insistence on abortion rights, they don't seem to have a clue as to what they're paving the way towards.

30 posted on 08/29/2012 3:19:25 PM PDT by danielmryan
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To: Iron Munro
With progressive leadership like this it won’t be much longer before California is primarily populated with illegals, queers, dope peddlers, arrogant leftist professors and other government employees.

H-M-M-M-M-M-...you haven't been paying close attention...they have met your requirements for a few years now...it's truly hard to believe that a state that size could completely lose touch with reality...Rhode Island, yes, but California????????

31 posted on 08/29/2012 3:27:14 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: wolfman23601

“It usually takes a long series of events with intermittant periods of trying to do it on their own.”

It’s a long period of “trying” while never believing that they can succeed at quiting, never believing they are really capable of quitting. It is that belief, not chemistry, that never permits success at quitting.

AA does not “repair that”, does not cure the mind; it says, yea, you’re right, you can’t quit, you need us.

What they need is to believe in their ability to quit, to believe that that belief is stronger than any addiction, and when they convince themself of THAT belief as much as they had convinced themself of their own weakness, they change their mind, they chose to believe in themself, not any power of their body chemistry.

What held the most power over them was their own fear, their fear that they were too weak, not that they actually were.

AA simply confirms their belief in their weakness.


32 posted on 08/29/2012 3:45:41 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: snarkytart

Parents will simply cross state lines.

If this stands then it also stands that legislators can ban abortions on children who are pregnant.


33 posted on 08/29/2012 4:11:36 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"...homosexuality is not a disorder..."

Yeah, riiiiight...

The very first commandment was, "Be fruitful and multiply."

34 posted on 08/29/2012 5:05:40 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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Of course we should ban schools, because ignorance isn’t a disorder. We should ban breast implants because micromastia isn’t a disorder. We should ban gyms because weakness and obesity isn’t a disorder. We should ban the state legislature because anarchy isn’t a disorder.

Oh, you suggest that people who want to change should be permitted to get help? What are you? Some kind of extremist?


35 posted on 08/29/2012 9:32:19 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: wolfman23601

My ex-wife was/is an alcoholic, and once every 5 years or so she returns, but otherwise lives her life.

Addiction to the program is a self limiting problem, in my very limited experience.


36 posted on 08/29/2012 9:41:34 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

“Of course we should ban schools, because ignorance isn’t a disorder.”

Banning public schools wouldn’t be such a bad idea.


37 posted on 08/30/2012 12:52:47 AM PDT by oohebo
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Bottom line: if you live in California and you have children, leave now. They no longer belong to you.

And don't even look back at the risk of becoming a pillar of salt.

38 posted on 08/30/2012 7:53:29 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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