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Men, Who Needs Them? (New York Times Editorial)
New York Times ^ | August 24, 2012 | GREG HAMPIKIAN

Posted on 08/29/2012 11:23:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway

MAMMALS are named after their defining characteristic, the glands capable of sustaining a life for years after birth — glands that are functional only in the female. And yet while the term “mammal” is based on an objective analysis of shared traits, the genus name for human beings, Homo, reflects an 18th-century masculine bias in science.

That bias, however, is becoming harder to sustain, as men become less relevant to both reproduction and parenting. Women aren’t just becoming men’s equals. It’s increasingly clear that “mankind” itself is a gross misnomer: an uninterrupted, intimate and essential maternal connection defines our species.

The central behaviors of mammals revolve around how we bear and raise our young, and humans are the parenting champions of the class. In the United States, for nearly 20 percent of our life span we are considered the legal responsibility of our parents.

With expanding reproductive choices, we can expect to see more women choose to reproduce without men entirely. Fortunately, the data for children raised by only females is encouraging. As the Princeton sociologist Sara S. McLanahan has shown, poverty is what hurts children, not the number or gender of parents.

That’s good, since women are both necessary and sufficient for reproduction, and men are neither. From the production of the first cell (egg) to the development of the fetus and the birth and breast-feeding of the child, fathers can be absent. They can be at work, at home, in prison or at war, living or dead.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: genderwars; genetics; men; misandry; newyorktimes; radicalleft; science; selfhatred; waronmen; women
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Then, at some point, your father spent a few minutes close by, but then left.

This guy is a true romantic.

1 posted on 08/29/2012 11:23:22 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
more women choose to reproduce without men entirely

I suppose the sperm comes from .... goats?

2 posted on 08/29/2012 11:25:54 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: nickcarraway
Another het-bashing piece from the simperingly gay New York Times.
3 posted on 08/29/2012 11:28:38 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Izzy Dunne
I suppose the sperm comes from .... goats?

That should be left for only democrats to answer.

4 posted on 08/29/2012 11:28:49 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: nickcarraway

I know this professor well enough to ignore this article. Everyone in his lab is giggling about this piece. Don’t take it seriously. He just likes being ‘thought-provoking’ and a little crazy. I’m sure he’s giggling at the reactions he’s gotten too.


5 posted on 08/29/2012 11:29:03 AM PDT by verum ago (Be a bastard, and Karma'll be a bitch.)
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To: nickcarraway
But women have been a majority of college graduates since the 1980s, and their numbers are growing.

Yeah, those degrees in Mesopotamian culture and LGBT studies are very lucrative.

6 posted on 08/29/2012 11:29:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: nickcarraway

It takes two to tango there Greg, no matter how much you try to deny it. Asexual reproduction is not in the cards for mammals, no matter how much you want it to be so.


7 posted on 08/29/2012 11:30:40 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: nickcarraway
Men, Who Needs Them?

Just because the NYT gets along without any...

8 posted on 08/29/2012 11:30:40 AM PDT by Hunton Peck (Life, liberty, property, and the means to defend them.)
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To: nickcarraway
GREG HAMPIKIAN should have himself emasculated, and leave our gender permanently.

What can you do with a society this profoundly stupid? Blow the whole damn thing up and start over, is about all.

9 posted on 08/29/2012 11:33:23 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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To: nickcarraway
Fortunately, the data for children raised by only females is encouraging. As the Princeton sociologist Sara S. McLanahan has shown, poverty is what hurts children, not the number or gender of parents.

He's entitled to his own opinion, not his own facts.

10 posted on 08/29/2012 11:33:31 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Actually, with mononuclear reproduction (cloning), sperm is technically not necessary.

A woman could have a clone made of herself, and essentially give birth to herself. No men needed (well, maybe lab techs, etc).

If they clone a high-cell organism such as a sheep, they can clone a human being. No one is quite willing to do.

Not yet, at least.


11 posted on 08/29/2012 11:33:55 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Gender? If you use that word, maybe you are one of them. What’s wrong with the make sex?


12 posted on 08/29/2012 11:34:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

When humanity drank Hugh Hefner’s kool-aid, we all sank to a lower level of evolution (so to speak), in that we rejected God and all the civilizing aspects of the Ten Commandments, the New Testament, and the inherent value of all people.

Western civilization arose from a Judeo-Christian perspective. When we reject it, our marriages are devalued, pregnancy becomes a nuisance and a disease, children are nothing by bothersome, etc., and babies can be killed for any reason whatsoever. All logic goes out the door (and out of our minds). Women succomb to all sorts of dumb premises like a “War against Women” when actually respect for women has tanked because of the same liberal policies that are decrying said phony war.

Just my two cents worth.


13 posted on 08/29/2012 11:34:28 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: nickcarraway

Who needs men when we have a penis-wielding Sandra Fluke? I doubt she’d do very well against a Chinese soldier, however.


14 posted on 08/29/2012 11:35:03 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: nickcarraway
GREG HAMPIKIAN should have himself emasculated, and leave our gender permanently.

What can you do with a society this profoundly stupid? Blow the whole damn thing up and start over, is about all.

(dang, HTML tag fail on the previous post, sorry).

15 posted on 08/29/2012 11:36:08 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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To: verum ago

Reminds me of a scene from “Legally Blond”.

Something about the definition of “semester”.


16 posted on 08/29/2012 11:36:13 AM PDT by super7man
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
"Actually, with mononuclear reproduction (cloning), sperm is technically not necessary."

Neither are women in that scenario.

17 posted on 08/29/2012 11:36:37 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: nickcarraway
This is the philosophy of liberals.

Liberals believe most Americans are like farm animals. They believe Americans are simple beasts of burden meant to work their entire lives and have what they earn taken from them by a tiny elite using the force of government.

In this scenario men are unnecessary except for their labor and increasingly that is unnecessary. Women are more compliant and submissive. They are more easily controlled.

The only thing protecting Americans from a life of unimaginable misery and suffering is their willingness to fight for their faith and their families. The elites are already destroying religion and spirituality. If they can destroy the family they will have accomplished their goal.

18 posted on 08/29/2012 11:39:21 AM PDT by detective
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To: circlecity

Touché.

Thus far, however, no one has yet figured how to bring a human to fruition outside of the womb. So, a woman would still be needed for that part of the whole scenario.

I’m sure, one of these days scientists will figure it out, a la Brave New World and “decanting”.

Or the Replicants from “Bladerunner” (you know, I’ve never really figured out whether they’re actually machines, bio-machine, genetically engineered humans, clones, or all of the above - they remind me of the “Robots” from Capek’s “RUR”).


19 posted on 08/29/2012 11:40:58 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Cloning. Interesting. I think Hampikian should clone himself, and then go (balance of post self-deleted to save the AdminModerator the trouble).


20 posted on 08/29/2012 11:41:34 AM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
with mononuclear reproduction (cloning), sperm is technically not necessary.

Do they think a woman invented the machinery behind that?

Do they think a woman invented the science behind that?

Do they think that a virus won't just love a batch of identical people?

Wasn't Huxley's Brave New World something akin to that?

21 posted on 08/29/2012 11:41:54 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: nickcarraway

I would hate a world without real men. Love my husband, love little boys. The world has gone mad!


22 posted on 08/29/2012 11:44:00 AM PDT by defconw (IT'S ON NOW! ROMNEY/RYAN 2012)
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To: Hunton Peck

“Men, Who Needs Them?”

ummm..... I do....


23 posted on 08/29/2012 11:44:51 AM PDT by BelleAl (Proud to be a member of the party of NO! NO more deficit spending and government control!)
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To: nickcarraway
as men become less relevant to both reproduction and parenting.

Yes, and just look at the problems this has caused in our society.

24 posted on 08/29/2012 11:45:02 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: nickcarraway

Hah. Without men to defend them, they would be getting raped by other men. Move to Islamic countries, and see how that works.


25 posted on 08/29/2012 11:45:38 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Gumdrop

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”


26 posted on 08/29/2012 11:47:29 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: nickcarraway
Recently, the geneticist J. Craig Venter showed that the entire genetic material of an organism can be synthesized by a machine and then put into what he called an “artificial cell.”

The result, was called "George".


27 posted on 08/29/2012 11:47:43 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Daveinyork

Hmmm, that’s a backhanded defense of men, if I ever heard one.


28 posted on 08/29/2012 11:48:19 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: verum ago; nickcarraway

An amazing amount of self-hate, even by Liberal standards.


29 posted on 08/29/2012 11:50:04 AM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Thus far, however, no one has yet figured how to bring a human to fruition outside of the womb. So, a woman would still be needed for that part of the whole scenario.

Science is getting real close to artificial wombs so much so that even men will be bale to carry babies.

read this article. Next 20-25 years is going to be interesting.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/aug/17/sex-reproduction-aarathi-prasad

30 posted on 08/29/2012 11:52:16 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: nickcarraway
I dunno - it isn't really a serious piece, but to take it just seriously enough for a moment - one reproductive mechanism requires a laboratory, the other requires a penis. There are more penises than laboratories, or at least I believe that to be the case, although I'll await for statistical verification from someone else. From the point of view of species survival, I'm afraid I'll have to vote for Mr. Happy.

There is, actually, quite a bit more to human survival than this if one insists on including culture, which is, at its core, simply another ploy in the natural selection game. Here the value of the male is what he brings to the game in his normal areas of specialization of defense, construction, and beer-drinking. It is not to say that females cannot fill that function; it is to say that incorporating specialists tends to stretch the corpus of cultural survival ploys. Moreover, can we say that a culture in which nobody lights farts with a Zippo or a .45 is a culture worth living in? I thought not.

31 posted on 08/29/2012 11:52:38 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Izzy Dunne

“Brave New World” was more a situation where people where genetically engineered to fit into certain ranks of society, thereby harmonizing said society.

Well, along with drugs like soma, and the occasional orgies.

Yeah, I would imagine a batch of literally genetically-identical people would indeed be quite the smorgasbord for a hungry virus.

I do imagine that one of these days, someone somewhere will get around to cloning to a human. Or building a Replicant.

Ten to one it’ll be the Japanese. They seem to be into that whole transhumanism thing.


32 posted on 08/29/2012 11:54:17 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: factoryrat; EGPWS
“Asexual reproduction is not in the cards for mammals, no matter how much you want it to be so.”

We are not asexual but it is definitely possible for two females to reproduce by using genetic engineering and the offspring will always be female (no Y chromosomes). Basically, the genes from one egg would be taken and either implanted into a sperm or directly used to fertilize the other egg. It has been accomplished in test animals so THEORETICALLY we could have an all-female world.

OTOH, we aren't too far from artificial wombs and surrogate mothers are fairly popular. With genetic engineering, two men can have offspring. However, half of those offspring would be female since all men carry one X chromosome. With screening, selective abortion, etc it is THEORETICALLY also possible to have a world of only men.

The world will definitely be a very different place within a few decades. I believe it will be a better place and the above will never happen, despite what doom & gloomers say.

33 posted on 08/29/2012 11:55:27 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: nickcarraway

LOL, what an absurd article this is coinsidering it is men who are responsible entirely for everything we see going on in the world today.......oh wait....


34 posted on 08/29/2012 11:56:10 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
But women have been a majority of college graduates since the 1980s, and their numbers are growing. Yeah, those degrees in Mesopotamian culture and LGBT studies are very lucrative.

Uuum no...women are starting to earn all the technical degrees also. 85% of the people in my sisters veterinarian class are women.

35 posted on 08/29/2012 11:56:31 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: nickcarraway

The New York Times, Who Needs Them?


36 posted on 08/29/2012 11:56:46 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: trailhkr1
85% of the people in my sisters veterinarian class are women.

Affirmative action.

She should be so proud.

37 posted on 08/29/2012 11:59:24 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Billthedrill
Moreover, can we say that a culture in which nobody lights farts with a Zippo or a .45 is a culture worth living in? I thought not.

A woman I work with has been crying for 4 weeks straight-her bf broke up with her.. We males are not obsolete yet.

38 posted on 08/29/2012 12:00:54 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: defconw

Agree with all of what you said!


39 posted on 08/29/2012 12:01:08 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: trailhkr1

Thanks for the link; I’m going to have to get myself a copy of that book.....sounds like some interesting reading.

What she describes is really the ultimate game-changer as far as humanity is concerned.


40 posted on 08/29/2012 12:01:30 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Hunton Peck

I think he wants the women to leave the men alone. More for him, IMO. Where the hell do they come up with idiots like him?

Statistically, kids raised by single mothers are at enormous risks..

They are meant to be raised as a FAMILY


41 posted on 08/29/2012 12:02:09 PM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: DuncanWaring

In CS Lewis’ Space Trilogy, the evil inhabitants of the far side of the moon no longer have sex with each other. Each of the married people has sex with a robot, or something like a robot, and their children are put together in something very like in vitro.

IOW, we’re very nearly there.


42 posted on 08/29/2012 12:03:58 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: beaversmom

Thanks, I don’t care how they try to diminish it. Children are better off with a man AND a woman as parents.


43 posted on 08/29/2012 12:06:54 PM PDT by defconw (IT'S ON NOW! ROMNEY/RYAN 2012)
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To: trailhkr1
Uuum no...women are starting to earn all the technical degrees also. 85% of the people in my sisters veterinarian class are women.

The majority of veterinary school grads have been women for several decades now.

Write back when the majority of physicists, mathematicians and electrical engineers are women.

44 posted on 08/29/2012 12:07:26 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
85% of the people in my sisters veterinarian class are women. Affirmative action. She should be so proud.

No affirmative action. It's a changing field. Family farms are going away and not as many men vet's needed to work on farm animals and men,generally, are not enthuised about treating cats and dogs as a career as much as women.

And it is going the other way for men in other areas. Males in nursing programs is growing each year and pushing out women. My gf works at a hospital with a nursing program. 15 years ago maybe 5% of the class was male now it's 35-40% (great money btw for male nurses and they are in huge demand)

45 posted on 08/29/2012 12:07:31 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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Uuum no...women are starting to earn all the technical degrees also. 85% of the people in my sisters veterinarian class are women.

How many women get degrees in Math, Comp Sci, Engineering, or Physics?
In my experience: very few, comparatively. {In my opinion this is because women generally think differently than men, and the difference is one that manifests itself here: the subjects here lend themselves to the male mode of thought far more than female. [Yes, I'm using generalities.]}

Back a hundred years the same was true about the Lawyer profession; now not so much. I think one of the defining characteristics of the Hard Sciences that Law had is that of Logic. Law has lost its dependence on logic: for example the NM State Constitution specifically prohibits law abridging the right of the citizen to carry for security and defense [Art II, Sec 6] as well as prohibiting counties & municipalities from regulating "in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms"; however the State, County, and City courts I'm familiar with all prohibit firearms saying "violators will be prosecuted [by law]" -- All my efforts to bring this Constitutional issue up are deflected with excuses. {This is an issue because people not accused of any crime may be compelled to appear in court: jurors and witnesses.}

Now; gut check: what was your reaction to the last part of the previous paragraph? Was it a "yeah, that doesn't fit" OR "What!? you cant take guns int courthouses!!"?

46 posted on 08/29/2012 12:15:20 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: varyouga

We’re talking natural selection here, not genetic engineering, or invitro fertilization, or even nongenetic preferential selection. Anomolies tend to either adapt or disappear in a small timeframe. Until I see the first human asexually reproduce, it isn’t going to happen with the DNA we have.


47 posted on 08/29/2012 12:22:41 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Any male working for that company probably loves to pull a vacuum on a certain anatomical appendage.

LLS

48 posted on 08/29/2012 12:25:21 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (If romney is our only chance... we have less of a chance than a Massachusetts fetus.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It’s conveniently overlooked that males (not to be TOO specific) are responsible for almost all of the inventions, discoveries, exploration, etc in history which have contributed to the well-being and knowledge of mankind. If we took all of their accomplishments out of history, the world would be a very different place, and not for the better.


49 posted on 08/29/2012 12:26:15 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: OneWingedShark; DuncanWaring
How many women get degrees in Math, Comp Sci, Engineering, or Physics?

Women in these fields are growing..

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/feb/21/edu-women-overtake-men-in-earning-degrees-at-all/

"Twenty to 30 years ago, biology was mainly male," said Andresse St. Rose, senior researcher for the American Association of University Women. "Today women earn the majority of bachelor's and master's and about half of the [doctoral] degrees in biology."

The biggest jump has been in the percentage of chemists, which climbed from 8 percent to 32 percent during the same period, data show.

About 20 years ago, when George Graham was an engineering student, there was maybe one woman in his classes, he said. Now, women make up to 30 or 40 percent of some of the engineering classes the mechanical engineer teaches as director of the Wacker Institute at Chattanooga State Community College.

50 posted on 08/29/2012 12:27:55 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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