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Pregnancy is less likely after rape, leading ob/gyn says
Catholic World News ^ | August 28, 2012

Posted on 08/29/2012 1:31:49 PM PDT by NYer

Dr. Thomas Hilgers, a Creighton University obstetrics professor and director of the Pope Paul VI Institute for the Study of Human Reproduction, has revealed that statistics show women are less likely to become pregnant when they are raped than when they engage in consensual intercourse.

Noting that “the emotional impact of rape often clouds a legitimate and truthful discussion,” Dr. Hilgers said that a study of rape victims in Nebraska found that only 1.6% became pregnant, whereas a random sample would have found 2-4% of all women pregnant after an act of intercourse. He concluded that “complex mechanisms of human ovulation and its interaction with stress” could explain the discrepancy.

Dr. Hilgers made his observation in the context of a debate provoked by statements from Rep. Akins, the Missouri candidate for the US Senate, who has come under intense criticism for saying that a woman’s body has methods of preventing pregnancy after rape. Dr. Hilgers emphasized that although some such forces may be at work, they are not under the woman’s control.

Dr. Hilgers also stressed that pregnancies resulting from rape account for only a tiny proportion of all pregnancies, and for less than 0.01% of all abortions. He added: “Furthermore, of those rape victims, 98.4% of them will not be helped in any fashion by abortion; and, for those who are aborted, they are then potentially confronted with a double dose of psychological trauma.”

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1 posted on 08/29/2012 1:31:51 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 08/29/2012 1:32:30 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

So what? Why is this relevant?


3 posted on 08/29/2012 1:33:28 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
So what? Why is this relevant?

There are millions of potential rape victims breathing a huge sigh of relief.

4 posted on 08/29/2012 1:37:24 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: NYer

So, Dr Aiken WAS right! The media owe him an apology, and the RNC owes him $5 million of campaign funding!


5 posted on 08/29/2012 1:43:45 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: 2harddrive

Congressman Akin was too quick starting his apology tour instead of just taking the hits and moving on to other issues such as the economy.


6 posted on 08/29/2012 1:47:00 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: 2harddrive

No, it’s a crock of *ite.

1.6% vs 2-4%. I mean, what’s the difference between 2-4% and 3 +/-33%?

If your taking data from a collection of information you have an exact numerical sampling and they either got pregnant or they didn’t. So why 2%-4%? This should be a finite number.

It means you have an uncontrolled sampling, but who wants to do a controlled sampling of rape vs pregnancy anyway.


7 posted on 08/29/2012 1:54:28 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: NYer

I actually saw a National Geographic show about sex that stated a woman in a marriage or committed relationship is less likely to get pregnant when she has an affair. They had several doctors state that the woman’s body adapted to the regular partner’s sperm and would fight off a new one.


8 posted on 08/29/2012 1:55:31 PM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: NYer

Why is it so hard to believe that a woman under a huge amount of stress from being raped, is less likely to become pregnant than would be otherwise?


9 posted on 08/29/2012 1:57:05 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: bigheadfred

Wow.


10 posted on 08/29/2012 1:58:38 PM PDT by DManA
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To: tsowellfan
Akin is a good guy and I hope he weathers this storm. However, conservatives should learn from what just happened to Akin. There is no point in trying to have an honest, nuanced public discussion about abortion because the media will distort and destroy. Pro-life politicians should say: “Every fetus is an unborn child and every unborn child has a right to life. The circumstances surrounding the pregnancy do not determine whether an unborn child is human. Therefore, abortion is never justified. However, it is morally licit to propose or support legislation that has exceptions or that protects only a portion of unborn children from abortion — if such legislation is more likely to pass than an absolute ban at that time. As Voltaire said, “Le mieux est l’enemmie du bien” - the perfect is the enemy of the good.” The ban on parital-birth abortions is an example of such legislation: you could argue that it should have been rejected because it didn't protect all unborn babies, only those about to be killed by that particular method. Yet, did any pro-life groups oppse the ban for that reason? Pro-life politicians should say that no unborn babies should be killed, but that we'll start by saving 10%, 30%, 98%, etc.
11 posted on 08/29/2012 1:59:55 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: VeniVidiVici

But only if it’s a “legitimate” rape. If the rapee actually liked it all bets are off.


12 posted on 08/29/2012 2:01:12 PM PDT by DManA
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To: 2harddrive

Tell that to 31,000 women last year and then add that till the child is 18 or 21 - looks like a big number to me. Tell Akin he and Trent Lott are why we don’t suffer fools.


13 posted on 08/29/2012 2:04:12 PM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: NYer
The difference between 1.6% and 2-4% is a factor of two difference. Not trivial. I've seen reports from 30 years ago explaining how a why a woman engaging in consenting intercourse is more likely to get pregnant than not. The point is, Aiken was correct if in-artful in his assertion.

Making this observation does not in any way diminish the crime of rape. Anyone convicted of rape should have their privates slowly removed with a rusty blade.

But facts are stubborn things.

14 posted on 08/29/2012 2:05:03 PM PDT by LaserJock
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To: NYer

I think the first problem is in quantifying the difference between date rapes where the victim knew the perpetrator and the forcible rape scenarios where the perpetrator was either a complete stranger, or someone having no close relationship to the victim.


15 posted on 08/29/2012 2:06:56 PM PDT by fso301
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To: 2harddrive

“So, Dr Aiken WAS right! The media owe him an apology, and the RNC owes him $5 million of campaign funding!”

~ ~ ~

Proof of our evil times, Akin was condemned for being
totally for life...God’s way while Romney is praised for
being the man to lead our Country. Is that crazy?

Yes because Romney’s has record of legislating abortion, increasing the murder of the most innocent~! Plus, a second
abomination, furthering the homosexual agenda.

No need to discuss BHO, he has done the same.


16 posted on 08/29/2012 2:08:16 PM PDT by stpio
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To: VeniVidiVici
"Why is it so hard to believe that a woman under a huge amount of stress from being raped, is less likely to become pregnant than would be otherwise"

Not to defend Akin, but this is absolutely true. To be graphic, not every rapist ejaculates. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if it's actually uncommon. As we've learned, rape is used for power/control/terrorizing the victim. Look at all the rapes that occur in prison. Men use it as a "weapon" to show dominance. It's not just uncontrollable lust.

Akin is still a fool, though.

17 posted on 08/29/2012 2:09:45 PM PDT by boop (It's not personal...it's strictly business)
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To: DManA; 2harddrive
So what? Why is this relevant?

As freeper 2harddrive commented:

So, (Congressman) Dr Aiken WAS right! The media owe him an apology, and the RNC owes him $5 million of campaign funding!

18 posted on 08/29/2012 2:10:32 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

This would have had to be a woman OB/GYN for it to receive any traction.


19 posted on 08/29/2012 2:11:35 PM PDT by skinndogNN
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To: fso301; NYer
Another problem is figuring out the % of women who have a positive pg test after a rape, who were (unbeknownst to them) already pregnant at the time of the rape.

It happens... more than people think.

20 posted on 08/29/2012 2:12:27 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: tsowellfan

“Congressman Akin was too quick starting his apology tour instead of just taking the hits and moving on to other issues such as the economy.”

Not half as quick as the Republicans and conservatives who immediately howled for his head....!


21 posted on 08/29/2012 2:14:40 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: NYer

I imagine you’d be such a wreck that your odds of miscarrying would be quite high.


22 posted on 08/29/2012 2:15:09 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NYer
The experiments to test whether, other factors held constant, rape victims become pregnant more often, less often, or in the same numbers as participants in consensual sex, cannot be done. Any discussion on the topic is simply looking at more or less relevant statistics and samples, and therefore, not addressing the question.

Which question, of course, is irrelevant to the humanity and right to life of an unborn child, no matter what his father did or did not do.

23 posted on 08/29/2012 2:18:35 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Now a hit television series starring Judi Dench!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
The problem Akin, and apparently a lot of others are having, is that there is no need to discount the possibility of a raped woman becoming pregnant and carrying it to term to be against the abortion of that child.

A 1.6% conception rate vs 2-4% is still a decent chance of getting pregnant - and even if the woman puts herself mentally through a world of hell in post traumatic stress, recrimination, and moral agony - the majority will STILL not miscarry.

Rape results in thousands of pregnancies every year.

Hard to imagine anything more stressful than having your family murdered in front of you with machetes and then being raped - and yet in Rwanda an estimated 20,000 children were conceived from those rapes and carried to term and survived to be (currently) teenagers in Rwanda.

Maybe as an encore presentation Akin can blame any woman who miscarries or who is infertile for not having their mind right - maybe that will sell well across the fruited plains.

24 posted on 08/29/2012 2:34:13 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: NYer
Wow is this guys methodology flawed.

He came up with the 1.6% number by assuming that all sexual assaults were reported to the Police. 100%! The rate is usually assumed to be around 50%. If we go by 50% the conception rate is right where the rate would be for a consensual encounter - 2-4%.

25 posted on 08/29/2012 2:38:51 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Road Glide
I do agree with the Akin supporters that the GOP, republicans and conservatives (especially those outside of the state) should have stayed out of it. At least give it some time before getting involved.

Those criticizing Akin were doing so from a political perspective but their own criticism and involvement could push Akin’s own supporters to rally around the man despite of what he had said thus hurting our ultimate political chances almost as much as the man's stupid comments.

In the end, an Akin victory will be his own and nothing to do with the GOPe. But his defeat will also be his own. He will own that defeat.

26 posted on 08/29/2012 2:40:12 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: 2harddrive

Does this apply only to “ authentic” rape, or does it apply any rape./ sarc

Aiken is still and will always be an idiot.


27 posted on 08/29/2012 2:41:49 PM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: allmendream
Actually, you've gone int he wrong direction, not surprisingly. If there is the known pregnancy count from only 50% being reported, then if you could count 100% of the rapes the rate of per capita drops even more significantly. But the realty is still far from your reasoning, since young female children are often sexually abused for years by a father or uncle, without pregnancy or reporting. Why are you trying to help destroy a man's reputation over spurious allegations and miss-applied reasoning?
28 posted on 08/29/2012 2:44:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: allmendream
Hard to imagine anything more stressful than having your family murdered in front of you with machetes and then being raped - and yet in Rwanda an estimated 20,000 children were conceived from those rapes and carried to term and survived to be (currently) teenagers in Rwanda.

Do we know how many of those 20,000 women were already pregnant at the time of those rapes????

29 posted on 08/29/2012 2:46:10 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: NYer

It is COMLETELY irrelevant to the subject of Federal abortion policy.


30 posted on 08/29/2012 2:52:29 PM PDT by DManA
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To: allmendream

You need to brush up on statistics.


31 posted on 08/29/2012 3:07:58 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Why does it even matter? And why would someone trying to win 1 in 100 senate seats even make it an issue?

Let’s say it was 99% likely a rape victim would get pregnant. What would a law maker do differently or do if it was .001% ?


32 posted on 08/29/2012 3:08:17 PM PDT by soycd
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To: NYer

Arrgggghhh!

Women are less likely to become pregnant as a result of rape because they are less likely to be ovulating during the time of rape. Rapists don’t time rape to coincide with ovulation ... wheareas a woman in a relationship will more likely be having sex during all parts of her cycle.

Can these doctors not think? It’s not even biology it’s just basic logic and statistics.

Women are only ovulating during at most 10% of any giving month. The chances of being raped during that narrow window of time are far smaller than being raped during the the remaining 90% of her non-ovulating month.


33 posted on 08/29/2012 3:13:24 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: DManA

It’s not relevant. These poeple just want to hurt the pro-Life movement. They are focussed like a laser beam on hurting the pro-Life movement.

They will not let this go.


34 posted on 08/29/2012 3:14:54 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Kozak
One certainly has to question Akin's political acumen. A savvy politician would have ensured that a proper foundation was laid, before introducing such an incendiary issue into an election campaign. Especially such a crucial election -- and one where his mistake is hurting every GOP candidate. A neophyte might be forgiven such an error, based on lack of experience. When an experienced politician makes such an egregious error -- then, indeed, it is fair to question his intelligence, as you have done.
35 posted on 08/29/2012 3:15:32 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yes, and also how many women were NOT OVULATING at the time of the rape. Plus how many women were infertile or less fertile than they were when younger (it’s not just young fertile women who are raped).


36 posted on 08/29/2012 3:19:06 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yes, and also how many women were NOT OVULATING at the time of the rape. Plus how many women were infertile or less fertile than they were when younger (it’s not just young fertile women who are raped).


37 posted on 08/29/2012 3:19:22 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yes, and also how many women were NOT OVULATING at the time of the rape. Plus how many women were infertile or less fertile than they were when younger (it’s not just young fertile women who are raped).


38 posted on 08/29/2012 3:20:12 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Kozak
Just expanding a bit on my # 35. While getting elected is crucial, being effective after the election is what really matters. Akin has shown that he lacks political acumen. It seems highly unlikely that he will be able to actually effect change in the Senate, even if he's elected.

Even if he is eventually "proven" to be 100% correct -- so what? He chose exactly the wrong way of going about gathering the political power to actually change anything. He's worse than useless.
39 posted on 08/29/2012 3:25:53 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: MHGinTN
Oops, you are of course correct. My bad. Doubling the number of rapes while keeping the number of pregnancies from rape the same would half the number not double it - but it is obviously a flawed back of the envelope calculation - not a scientific study - if he is making wild assumptions about 100% of rapes being reported - and that Nebraska is somehow representative of all of America in terms of violent crime and abortion.

The man destroyed or didn't destroy his own reputation via clumsy reasoning and even worse word use.

Thousands of women become pregnant from rape- even assuming the worse case scenario of stress causing miscarriage - the majority will still not miscarry.

The way out of the ‘abortion in the case of rape’ is not to pretend that the chances of pregnancy due to rape are so vanishingly slim of it happening that there is no need to address it - this is not something that can be hidden from or swept under the rug - and those of us who are unapologetically pro life need to stand firm that a child should not be murdered for the crime of the father.

The mis-applied reasoning is that because the chance of pregnancy due to rape is small that the issue need not be addressed head on. Hiding behind low probabilities isn't good enough in a nation of more than 300 million - let alone making a construct that sounds like one is saying that if the rape was stressful enough, or “legitimate”, a woman should miscarry.

40 posted on 08/29/2012 3:27:32 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Uncle Chip
If those Rwandan women could have credibly claimed that the children were the child of their husbands - no doubt they would have - to avoid the stigma upon themselves and the child.

Why would you assume that they would lie about the resulting child being from the rape?

In Germany there were many “Russian babies” that carried the lifelong stigma of not being of the conquerors and being the result of rape.

It is a common thread in history.

If rape didn't result in pregnancy then systematic rape of conquered women wouldn't have been standard operating procedure and the conquerors would have had to import willing women to raise the next generation in foreign lands.

41 posted on 08/29/2012 3:33:27 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: stpio
Is that crazy?

Is "stpio" Stupido in shorthand?

42 posted on 08/29/2012 3:37:10 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: NYer

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43 posted on 08/29/2012 3:40:25 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: allmendream
Why would you assume that they would lie about the resulting child being from the rape?

What makes you think that if they were already days or weeks pregnant that they would even know, much less some physician/statistician 9 months later being able to determine it. It's Rawanda not UCLA Medical Center. At best that 20,000 figure is a wild guess with a lot of assumptions.

44 posted on 08/29/2012 4:09:40 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: soycd
Why does it even matter?

Because that's what the Left pounced on. It makes the difference between what he said as being just the wrong thing to say in trying to make his point and what he said as being indefensible.

Of course to conservatives it doesn't make a difference. We'll gladly throw someone overboard if they displease the Left. It seems that the louder they scream about something the further forward we bend over to accomodate them.

45 posted on 08/29/2012 4:33:04 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: NYer
Is there any definitive science behind this???
46 posted on 08/29/2012 4:37:34 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: VeniVidiVici

>It makes the difference between what he said as being just the wrong thing to say in trying to make his point and what he said as being indefensible.

Most fickle voters don’t listen to the long version much less do nuance. It was enough to damage his chances of winning.

>Of course to conservatives it doesn’t make a difference. We’ll gladly throw someone overboard if they displease the Left. It seems that the louder they scream about something the further forward we bend over to accomodate them.

I don’t see that in this case. This seat can be won if we put someone electable in there soon.

The left and the media is actually keeping low key about it right now so as not to spook akin.

They will hammer him hard and long once he has no escape route. This is war and akin is too wounded for the fight.


47 posted on 08/29/2012 4:49:57 PM PDT by soycd
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48 posted on 08/29/2012 4:51:25 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; NYer
Another problem is figuring out the % of women who have a positive pg test after a rape, who were (unbeknownst to them) already pregnant at the time of the rape. It happens... more than people think.

Thanks forgot about that.

On a similar but different topic, the women of a population about to be overrun by a raping army should try hard to get pregnant by any male from their population in order that when the mongol hordes finally descend upon them, they are already pregnant by one of their own menfolk.

49 posted on 08/29/2012 5:33:57 PM PDT by fso301
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To: NYer

This is called “moving the goalposts”. If there is a statement that is indefensible, substitute for it with a correct statement, and then hope people don’t notice.

So long as people don’t take this common-sense information and start bashing other freepers who rightly ridiculed Akin’s comments about magic rape contraception, this is useful.

I think when the Akin thing blew up, a lot of freepers got talking at cross-purposes, missing the difference between the established data about rape victims tending to be less likely to get pregnant, and what Akin said which was that a “legitimate rape” would “shut down” the reproductive system in some way. (BTW, all factors are not equal, the wild card is whether the random sex act is more likely to include protection than a rape act. Used to be no, but people are getting better at using protection for even casual sex).


50 posted on 08/29/2012 6:19:30 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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