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Why the Left freaked out about Paul Ryan telling the truth about the Janesville closing
RedState ^ | August 30, 2012 | Moe Lane

Posted on 08/30/2012 8:12:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

From Paul Ryan’s convention speech yesterday:

>>>President Barack Obama came to office during an economic crisis, as he has reminded us a time or two. Those were very tough days, and any fair measure of his record has to take that into account. My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.

Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.<<<

This is, by the way, a perfectly accurate statement. There was a GM plant in Janesville. Barack Obama did make a speech there in 2008. He did, in that speech, make those comments. And the plant did not “last another year” – despite, I should note, the Obama administration’s bailout of GM that the administration is kind-of, sort-of touting as an ‘achievement.’ These are all true things; which has not kept the Left from screaming otherwise, to the point where the Obama campaign has officially (and in my opinion, unwisely) called Paul Ryan a liar.

There are two things that jump out at me about the reaction to Ryan’s comments:

1. The liberals who were not aware of the details originally are displaying what is frankly an appalling level of ignorance about… well, take your pick. The President’s embarrassingly bad track record when it comes to his promises? The state of America, outside of the Leftist Pale that is the Beltway? Paul Ryan’s rhetorical history? – Pick one or another; they all fit. Particularly this last one; nobody should have been surprised to see the Republican VP nominee talk about a factory closing in his home town.

2. And that leads to the liberals who were aware of the details originally: those folks are being pretty appalling, all on their own. There’s a certain level of ignorance here, as well – but there’s rather more mendacity. You see, unlike the Leftist blogs and websites and rank-and-file membership, the people running the Democratic party actually know what is going on with the world today. They can’t help but know about it; after all, they’re almost exclusively responsible for the state of affairs which has made this economic recovery the weakest one within most people’s memory.

And yet, instead of simply gritting their teeth and taking the hit, the Democratic Establishment is trying to incite its base by calling something true a lie. Which to me suggests that the Left – specifically, the Obama for America team – is simultaneously utterly contemptuous of its own base’s ability to reason, and quietly terrified that said base might eventually wise up to the fact that it’s being taken for the Mother Of All Rides. That these two attitudes are subtly contradictory should be no surprise: to mangle Lewis Carroll, the Left has long been accustomed to believing six impossible things before breakfast.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2012rncconvention; demlies; economy; generalmotors; janesville; jobs; union; wi2012
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1 posted on 08/30/2012 8:12:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This one point out of that devastating barrage of truth-telling by Paul Ryan is the talking point of the Left today. Mitt Romney should give the timeline of this particular closing in his speech tonight, making clear that Ryan has first-hand knowledge of the facts, while the Left’s talking heads in the media are trying to undermine his excellent reputation.


2 posted on 08/30/2012 8:18:43 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee

Oh please, Romney doesn’t need to do that. He shouldn’t do that.


3 posted on 08/30/2012 8:22:11 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
. . . the Democratic Establishment is trying to incite its base by calling something true a lie.

And why not? They continuously peddle lies as truth.

4 posted on 08/30/2012 8:22:14 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: txrefugee
PolitiFiction - PolitiFact can’t be trusted to get the story right
5 posted on 08/30/2012 8:24:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Peenski(sp) wanted to buy and restart the Saturn plant in Spring Hill Tenn, kind of like what they did for Detroit Diesel. But the ObamaNation said they could buy the plant at full price and they could build Saturns but that they couldn't have the tooling.
6 posted on 08/30/2012 8:25:36 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This fits my perspective with the difference between the two campaigns that are being waged. When the right points out Obama lies, the left bleats that Romney does it too. This is utter BS! OK, both sides do sometimes play loose with the facts...always have. But the Obamatrons are now totally ignoring the truth, making up shi’ite as they go along, and saying that facts are lies. And of course the libtard media lovingly enable.

Sickening.


7 posted on 08/30/2012 8:25:56 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Let’s also contrast the state of Ford Motor Company that did not receive the blessings of Obama’s magnificence with the state of General Motors. There’s your control in that experiment. Obama wasted how many billions and screwed over how many people in his “rescue” of GM? /rhetorical


8 posted on 08/30/2012 8:27:10 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Tantaros: "Plainly put, Romney and Ryan can't push granny off the cliff. Obama beat them to it.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

obamacare a Debate?
These are “Action Items” and they bloody well better act on it


9 posted on 08/30/2012 8:30:29 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (we are so screwed - ^_^)
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To: fella
Penske Saturn Deal Falls Apart: GM To Shut Down Brand
10 posted on 08/30/2012 8:31:14 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Tantaros: "Plainly put, Romney and Ryan can't push granny off the cliff. Obama beat them to it.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Great post. Rush has said it often. Our side really does want people to know what we really believe. The other side tries to hide what they really believe.

The RATS love to lie to their base. You have to do that when the truth is not on your side. And they have lots of stupid sheeple to whom they have to lie to retain power.


11 posted on 08/30/2012 8:35:47 AM PDT by doug from upland (I don't like RINOs, but I love my country more than I hate Romney...Muslim marxist, get out!)
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To: Vigilanteman; All
Forbes - Aug 15, 2012: General Motors Is Headed For Bankruptcy -- Again "President Obama is proud of his bailout of General Motors. That’s good, because, if he wins a second term, he is probably going to have to bail GM out again. The company is once again losing market share, and it seems unable to develop products that are truly competitive in the U.S. market.

Right now, the federal government owns 500,000,000 shares of GM, or about 26% of the company. It would need to get about $53.00/share for these to break even on the bailout, but the stock closed at only $20.21/share on Tuesday. This left the government holding $10.1 billion worth of stock, and sitting on an unrealized loss of $16.4 billion.

Right now, the government’s GM stock is worth about 39% less than it was on November 17, 2010, when the company went public at $33.00/share. However, during the intervening time, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has risen by almost 20%, so GM shares have lost 49% of their value relative to the Dow.

It’s doubtful that the Obama administration would attempt to sell off the government’s massive position in GM while the stock price is falling. It would be too embarrassing politically. Accordingly, if GM shares continue to decline, it is likely that Obama would ride the stock down to zero."............

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Auto World - Aug 28, 2012: Obama, DOT, EPA Issue New 54.5 MPG Standard for Cars Built in 2025 ........""The fuel efficiency standards the administration finalized today are another example of how we protect the environment and strengthen the economy at the same time," said EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson. "Innovation and economic growth are already reinvigorating the auto industry and the thousands of businesses that supply automakers as they create and produce the efficient vehicles of tomorrow. Clean, efficient vehicles are also cutting pollution and saving drivers money at the pump."

President Obama claims the support of Ford, GM, Chrysler, BMW, Honda, Hyundai, Jaguar/Land Rover, Kia, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota, and Volvo for his plan. The Administration also says that the United Auto Workers, the State of California, and various environmental groups have helped see the plan - first announced in July of 2011 - become a reality."

12 posted on 08/30/2012 8:36:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

For the record:

Who knows the date that the plant closed? Specifically, was it after Obama become President or before?


13 posted on 08/30/2012 8:57:29 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (.)
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To: InterceptPoint

http://gazettextra.com/news/2009/feb/19/gm-plant-last-day-finalized/


14 posted on 08/30/2012 9:03:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: InterceptPoint

1. On February 13, 2008 Obama said in Janesville : “I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.”

2. In June 2008 GM announced that the Janesville plant would stop production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and stop production of large SUVs in 2010 or sooner.

3. In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”

4. In December 2008 GM idled production of GM SUVs at the Janesville plant. Medium-duty truck assembly continued.

5. In April 2009, four months after Obama was inaugurated, GM idled production of medium-duty trucks.

6. In September 2011, more than two years after Obama was inaugurated, GM reiterates that Janesville plant is on “stand by status.” Auto industry observer David Cole, tells the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel it would be premature to say the Janesville plant will never reopen.

6. Today the GM facility in Janesville still has not been retooled “so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs,” as Obama promised.


15 posted on 08/30/2012 9:13:48 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It was a mistake for the left to pick this issue to call Ryan a liar. Since it is true, this will give Ryan, et al, the oppor tunity to keep the issue alive in the press. He should make a big deal out of this with daily reports, video of the cloised plant, interviews with the displaced workers and how they are now suffering, etc etc. This is the economic issue that needs the people touch that can be played for weeks. Let’s hope the RNC see this issue and statements as the gifts that they are.


16 posted on 08/30/2012 9:21:26 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country., Really! NOW!!!)
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To: dirtymac

Yes.
And its not that Ryan blamed Obama for it closing. He didnt. He made it an example of the promises and hopes of Obama that have not been fulfilled.

Middle America gets it. Obama failed. Ryan’s excellent speech laid out how Obama failed and how he’s running on fumes.

Ann Romney had the best line of last night: “The man will not fail.”

That’s the election, folks: Obama failed, Romney won’t.


17 posted on 08/30/2012 9:49:33 AM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Great info! Thanks!


18 posted on 08/30/2012 10:13:45 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: UB355

I think you have satisfied the “for the record” requirement.

Much thanks.


19 posted on 08/30/2012 10:47:28 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (.)
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To: UB355
Bump. Yes, good post, thank you.
20 posted on 08/30/2012 11:18:30 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: UB355

Thanks for the post!!


21 posted on 08/30/2012 11:24:20 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Mitt-Paul duo are not going to give precise stats on Bama’s failures. But, one can see that the surrogates are. I think the duo is going to challenge with big ideas and policies the PC Dem left status quo. Tonight’s Mitt speech was friendly but not blasting. It made a case for his integrity and leadership but not necessarily for this policies. He will have about a month plus to do that and if he can, he will win if ...he can unite the TEAS, Indies, Libertarians, Reagan Dems with those plans. The Left will simply lie and smear and go nuts ala MSNBC. Period.


22 posted on 08/30/2012 6:34:18 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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