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Study: Belly Fat Officially the Worst
The Atlantic ^ | August 28, 2012 | Lindsay Abrams

Posted on 08/30/2012 12:37:39 PM PDT by neverdem

Having a normal overall BMI and a beer belly ("abdominal obesity") was found to be more dangerous than having a BMI in the obese range.

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PROBLEM: While the relationship between obesity and cardiovascular health is well understood, less is known about the risks associated with "central obesity," or excessive fat concentrated around the abdomen. A gut, if you will. Are those with fat primarily in this region at higher risk of death due to cardiovascular problems than those who are obese?

METHODOLOGY: A representative sample of 12,785 American adults was culled from the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Study, which took place between 1988 and 1994, and matched to National Death Index. The subjects were grouped as normal, overweight, and obese based on their BMI, and then were further grouped as having a normal or high waist-to-hip ratio. In analyzing the risk of death, the researchers adjusted for age, gender, and race and for confounding factors like smoking, hypertension, and diabetes. The data was followed up this year. 

RESULTS: Of the 2,562 subjects who have passed away since this data was initially collected, 1,138 deaths were cardiovascular related. The risk of death for people of normal weight with central obesity was 2.08 times higher than for people with both a normal BMI and a normal waist-to-hip ratio. The risk of cardiovascular death, specifically, was 2.75 times higher for the former group. Both total and cardiovascular mortality were also higher in the group with normal BMI and a high waist-to-hip ratio than even in those with BMIs in the obesity range.

CONCLUSION: Having a pot belly, even if you have a normal body mass index, is associated with significantly increased -- even doubled -- mortality. It's even more dangerous...

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


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KEYWORDS: cad; centralobesity; chd; visceraladiposity
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1 posted on 08/30/2012 12:37:46 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

“Having a pot belly, even if you have a normal body mass index, is associated with significantly increased — even doubled — mortality.”

Damn — that’s disturbing enough to drive a person to drink. To guzzle a few beers, and chow down on some comfort food.


2 posted on 08/30/2012 12:40:47 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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3 posted on 08/30/2012 12:43:11 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: neverdem

Us old, fat, f.....s don’t want to hear this. It would be nice to know what the proper ratios are.


4 posted on 08/30/2012 12:43:53 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I’ll drink to that.


5 posted on 08/30/2012 12:44:06 PM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: neverdem

Get in mah bellah!

6 posted on 08/30/2012 12:45:33 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: neverdem
In order to have a BMI in the normal range and have a noticeable potbelly, you would need to have arms and legs like pipecleaners and a concave chest.
7 posted on 08/30/2012 12:50:14 PM PDT by wideawake
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8 posted on 08/30/2012 12:53:10 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: neverdem
They're scolding/warning us for being born this way?

Any apple-shaped person will tell you that one or more of their ancestors had the same shape. It's hereditary. All the studies in the world cannot change a person's genetic makeup, so stop wasting money just to let us know that our genes are going to kill us early.

9 posted on 08/30/2012 12:56:30 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: b4its2late
Is he pregnant?

Hope you are doing well. Are you officiating this football season?

5.56mm

10 posted on 08/30/2012 12:57:13 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: neverdem

This is not really new news. This information has been around gosh for 15 or 20 years I think. BTW a disturbing thing I noticed when I was teaching high school (which was now almost 10 years ago and I doubt it has gotten better) was that the teenage girls were tending to be fat around the middle. That used to be the pattern of weight gain for boys, but not so much for girls. Something going on other than JUST carrying more weight. Girls should tend to carry it around the hips, not the belly.


11 posted on 08/30/2012 12:57:23 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: neverdem
Well then, I guess I'll be okay.


12 posted on 08/30/2012 12:59:20 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: neverdem

I don’t believe any studies anymore. They all have an agenda.
If Obama wins, they will deny care to anyone they deem “fat”. (I’m not fat, nor do I have a belly, so I will be denied because I’m a conservative) : )


13 posted on 08/30/2012 1:00:53 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Fido969

14 posted on 08/30/2012 1:01:35 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Fat.....the new criminal.


15 posted on 08/30/2012 1:01:59 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: neverdem

I suspect this is the case because of MAST cell clusters.

In our fat, there are clusters of cells called MAST cells.

“A MAST cell (also known as mastocyte and labrocyte) is a resident cell of several types of tissues and contains many granules rich in histamine and heparin. Although best known for their role in allergy and anaphylaxis, MAST cells play an important protective role as well, being intimately involved in wound healing and defense against pathogens.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mast_cells

But there is a two fold problem with MAST cells. The first is that when irritated, they start to produce histamines and heparin, the presence of which tends to cause more of these to be generated by other MAST cells.

Unless these cells turn off, the effect is like having a persistent internal allergy with few external symptoms, and over the course of years this can actually damage you. It can also create other auto-immune problems like some types of arthritis.

The other problem is that when you have a normal amount of fat, you have a given number of MAST cell clusters, but when you gain fat, you get *more* than proportionately more MAST cell clusters. So, in a manner of speaking, when something happens to an obese person that irritates their MAST cells, they get something like a severe allergic response that is chronic.

Which is very bad for you.

To make matters worse, irritated MAST cells make it easier to gain weight and harder to lose weight. So they are the gift that keeps on giving.


16 posted on 08/30/2012 1:04:17 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: EnquiringMind
Any apple-shaped person will tell you that one or more of their ancestors had the same shape. It's hereditary. All the studies in the world cannot change a person's genetic makeup, so stop wasting money just to let us know that our genes are going to kill us early.

Any person, male or female can lose the apple shape if they really want to..most don't...they don't care.

17 posted on 08/30/2012 1:05:31 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: stephenjohnbanker
I don’t believe any studies anymore. They all have an agenda.

Not all-don't throw all out with the bath water. ..we do have a major obesity problem...that is undeniable.

18 posted on 08/30/2012 1:07:55 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: Lazamataz

I was eating french fries when I saw this photo. It inspired me to throw the rest out the window. Enjoy, birdies!

There is no way he gets in that bathroom behind him.


19 posted on 08/30/2012 1:09:21 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: neverdem

Why can’t I get paid for these studies. Goodness I could have the study done in five minutes. I bet this stupid study took 50 people and 3 years to figure out. Oh and spent 400,000 dollars to find the conclusion that all of us on Free Republic could have figured out in five minutes.


20 posted on 08/30/2012 1:13:33 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Paul Ryan/Rick Santorum 2012....That would be the best scenario ever.)
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To: trailhkr1

We do have an obesity problem. That doesn’t mean there isn’t a political agenda behind this study, and most others. Telling people that the govt. will decide what size coke you can drink is just the beginning.


21 posted on 08/30/2012 1:18:17 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: brytlea

It’s only become worse. Now they wear skinny jeans and cutoff shirts. So now you get to see their fat hanging over their jeans. Worst of all, they act like they’re hot stuff.


22 posted on 08/30/2012 1:18:35 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: trailhkr1
Any person, male or female can lose the apple shape if they really want to..most don't...they don't care.

That is absolutely untrue and quite rude, frankly. Perhaps you are referring to huge beer bellies?

Once an apple, ALWAYS an apple. The apple shape is inherited, as is a huge mouth, nose or rear end. An apple is always able to trim down, but the mid-section will always be slightly out of proportion from the rest of the body.

23 posted on 08/30/2012 1:21:03 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: trailhkr1
Not all-don't throw all out with the bath water. ..we do have a major obesity problem...that is undeniable.

The amount of energy surfeit resulting in obesity has a far lower cost on the nation's health in general than what would result from a similar magnitude of energy deficit.
24 posted on 08/30/2012 1:22:05 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: neverdem

But if you have a higher than 25 BMI and have sufficient physical activity, you don’t have increased risk of a cardiovascular event. Those who are lean but have little or no physical activity have a higher rate of cardiovascular events than chubby physically active people.


25 posted on 08/30/2012 1:25:13 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: EnquiringMind

I was an apple, I’m not anymore. It’s not a one way trip, you just have to make changes. Your genes set certain minimums, but they do not doom you. My genes say I’ll never look like Brad Pitt, but they don’t say I have to look like John Candy either, they say I need to put a lot of work into maintaining a basically thin physique.


26 posted on 08/30/2012 1:28:29 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: EnquiringMind
That is absolutely untrue and quite rude, frankly. Perhaps you are referring to huge beer bellies? Once an apple, ALWAYS an apple. The apple shape is inherited, as is a huge mouth, nose or rear end. An apple is always able to trim down, but the mid-section will always be slightly out of proportion from the rest of the body.

Uuumm No. Most people just don't have the long term discipline to lose the pear/apple shape. Here is a women's section of BB.Com. Thousands of women have changed their body's from that shape..but it is not easy... you need to do 1.5-2 hrs of both hard weight training and cardio every day and most importantly eat "clean" 24/7 365 with very little cheating..but most people don't have that kind of willpower to change. Women go on the treadmill for 25 minutes and wonder why they don't lose their pear/apple shape..that is gonna cut it.

Read up on Holly2710 on the bb.com site. She fought the pear/apple shape her entire life. There are thousands of stories of women changing their bodies...but again 99.9% of women(and men) can't cut that lifestyle..

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=14

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27 posted on 08/30/2012 1:42:03 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: neverdem

All my uncles, grandfathers, and father had belly fat, and died in their late 80’s to early 90’s. These doofusses can KMA!!!


28 posted on 08/30/2012 1:51:17 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Lazamataz

Damit! I bet he was that hot 25 year-old girl I was texting with!


29 posted on 08/30/2012 1:52:46 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: SgtHooper
All my uncles, grandfathers, and father had belly fat, and died in their late 80’s to early 90’s. These doofusses can KMA!!!

You are lucky..you came from good longevity genes but the fact is belly fat leads to problems for most people.

30 posted on 08/30/2012 1:53:57 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: SgtHooper
Damit! I bet he was that hot 25 year-old girl I was texting with!

No, that was me.

And I still want to go on that cruise.

31 posted on 08/30/2012 1:55:17 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: neverdem

Official? Is there like a referee running up and down a sideline calling bacon fouls? Or a rule book in case there is a piling on of mayonnaise? And what if someone cuts a blue darter when everyone is making their sandwich at halftime? Do you have to start over?


32 posted on 08/30/2012 1:58:39 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: EEGator

Yeah, they were doing that then. Except they weren’t allowed to wear cut off shirts to school, so they wore those spandex tops that rode up over their fat bellies and were pulling them down all the time. When I told them, “THAT is not in dress code, you cannot show your stomach.” they would pull the shirt down and argue with me that it wasn’t really out of dress code, etc. It was a constant thing. Of course, it didn’t look very good anyway, with that spandex trying to hide those bellies and muffin tops. Do guys think that’s sexy?!


33 posted on 08/30/2012 2:03:15 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: trailhkr1
Uuumm No. Most people just don't have the long term discipline to lose the pear/apple shape

Ummmmmm, whatever. And no thanks, I won't be visiting your website.

34 posted on 08/30/2012 2:26:56 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: EnquiringMind
Ummmmmm, whatever. And no thanks, I won't be visiting your website.

Not my website but it is the largest fitness website in the world with millions of posters worldwide and it is w/o a doubt the very best source of fitness/nutrition and weight loss out there.

35 posted on 08/30/2012 2:30:46 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: arrogantsob
It would be nice to know what the proper ratios are.

BMI/Waist to Hip Ration Calculator

My W to H is .9125

36 posted on 08/30/2012 2:34:56 PM PDT by Will88
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To: EnquiringMind

It’s part heredity, the other part is...carbs.

Books like “Why We Get Fat”, “Wheat Belly”, and “Good Calories, Bad Calories” lay out the link.

High carb diets cause you to maintain an increased insulin level. Increased insulin levels cause you to store visceral fat (on men, this is usually deposited in the abdomen—a beer belly, on women this is usually deposited on the thighs and buttocks—the pear-shaped woman).

The typical American in the past only got about 1/3 of their calories from carbohydrates. Today, the typical American gets about 2/3 of their total calories from carbohydrates. The “belly fat” epidemic can be directly traced to this diet change of most Americans over the last few decades.

Sugar is a carb (did you know that?) Grains and potatoes are high in carbs. Avoid things that are high in carbs (like beer, bread, pasta, and candy) and you can get rid of the belly/pear shape.


37 posted on 08/30/2012 2:35:54 PM PDT by Brookhaven (Freedom--tastes like chicken)
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To: brytlea

As a man, I can say I find it repulsive. Just yesterday on FR, there was an article showing woman working in color pictures from the 40’s. They all looked thin. Whatever has changed since then, needs to change back.


38 posted on 08/30/2012 2:36:09 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Will88

Also:

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/waist-to-hip-ratio-calculator/waist-to-hip-ratio-chart.php


39 posted on 08/30/2012 2:37:26 PM PDT by Will88
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To: discostu

My genes say I will always have larger arms and extra weight in my upper body. Mooochelle has slender arms, a huge ass and piano legs. She may lose some of that ass, but her proportions will ALWAYS be the same because it is inherited.

So did my mother and grandmother have larger arms and slender, lovely legs, and now my daughter, as well. I have been an overweight apple, an underweight apple, and a just-right apple. When I am a just-right apple I have a small waste with an upper body that is larger, proportionately, than the bottom. Still an apple.


40 posted on 08/30/2012 2:42:40 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: trailhkr1

Well, I have to admit, that sometimes I can’t tell if my shoes are tied.


41 posted on 08/30/2012 2:50:18 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Lazamataz

LMAO!


42 posted on 08/30/2012 2:52:41 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: brytlea

The problem you’re talking about and this thread are both caused by the same thing. Too many carbs in the diet. The carbs cause belly fat and the belly fat produces hormones (testosterone in females and estrogen in males).

Believe me this is tough problem. Low carb diet plus exercise is the cure but of course that’s easier said than done.

I’ve noticed kids have really bad diets these days. They’re fed carbs constantly from the time they’re babies (Cheerios & such) Most of the teachers I know give candy to kids at school.


43 posted on 08/30/2012 2:53:31 PM PDT by Varda
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To: trailhkr1

“Most people just don’t have the long term discipline to lose the pear/apple shape.”

I could not disagree more.

95% of the people on diets fail—95%. When 95% of people fail to reach a goal, then the problem isn’t with the people, the problem is the approach they are taking to accomplishing the goal.

Does discipline and exercise work for some people? Yea, 5% of people. But, for the other 95% it is very much the wrong approach (otherwise it would work for more than 5%).

I’ve lost over 40 pounds since Jan 1. I have not exercised (not once), I have not counted calories, I haven’t done any portion control, and I don’t put up with being hungry—when I’m hungry I eat till I’m not hungry (even if it is between meals).

I’m basically following the advice in the book “Why We Get Fat.” It recommends that instead of worrying about calories you change the TYPE of food you are eating. I quit eating processed foods and I cut down on the amount of carbs. That’s it, nothing more. I find that I don’t get as hungry and I fill up easier, consequently I’m losing weight—effortlessly.

This is the first time in 20 years I’ve been even close to a normal weight. And, I had tried every approach (including calorie counting and morning exercise on a treadmill). It was always a grind and struggle to keep up, and in the end I always failed to either lose weight or keep it off.

This time, there was no struggle. The weight just seemed to fall off. And, I’m confident I can keep it off. On top of that, I feel better and my doctor says I’ve gone from being a future heart attack victim to “fantastic.”

All without exercise or counting calories.


44 posted on 08/30/2012 2:56:55 PM PDT by Brookhaven (Freedom--tastes like chicken)
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To: EnquiringMind

No they won’t always be the same. You can do exercises and tone areas, more muscles, burn fat, tighten the skin. Your genes dictate where your body will store fat, and how eager it is to build fat to store, but they do NOT dictate that you will be fat.


45 posted on 08/30/2012 2:57:50 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: Brookhaven
There are good carbs out there everyone should be consuming..grains, nuts, sweet potatoes etc.

Not all carbs are bad...

46 posted on 08/30/2012 2:58:24 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Isnt there an over the counter drug like pepsid that counteracts some of the MAST cell effects?


47 posted on 08/30/2012 2:58:32 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I don’t think it’s the belly, I think it is the stress that makes us eat and drink to create the belly and our body responding to the stress. But who am I?


48 posted on 08/30/2012 2:58:32 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: trailhkr1

When my mother died she weighed 86 pounds. She barely ate anything for the last few years of her life yet she died with an apple shape. She worked her buns off until she couldn’t anymore. I’m apple-shaped too and do work out, but not like a body builder so yes, it’s genetic. Power to those apple-shaped people who lose the belly fat. It’s *very* hard to do. The mast cell thing is a very big issue too. Whoever learns how to turn off the mast cells will be a billionaire!


49 posted on 08/30/2012 2:59:53 PM PDT by greyhoundlady
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To: Brookhaven
All without exercise or counting calories.

Look up the term "skinny fat"..that is what you will be.

W/o weight training (what both men AND woman should be doing) you are burning through muscle as well fat during your weight loss. The 40 lb you lost was I bet a significant amount of muscle. Every credible fitness/weight loss program out there today emphasises weight training. I work out at a university gym that is part of a hospital medical program and they push weight training as #1..even before cardio..though cardio is very important. They tell the womnan to pump that iron...and they do.

And you need cardio for heart strength, joint health, circulation etc..

But you can do what you want..

50 posted on 08/30/2012 3:09:05 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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