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Americans Shot in Mexico Were C.I.A. Operatives Aiding in Drug War
The New York Times ^ | RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD and ERIC SCHMITT | August 28, 2012

Posted on 08/30/2012 4:00:07 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

MEXICO CITY — The two Americans who were wounded when gunmen fired on an American Embassy vehicle last week were Central Intelligence Agency employees sent as part of a multiagency effort to bolster Mexican efforts to fight drug traffickers, officials said on Tuesday. The two operatives, who were hurt on Friday, were participating in a training program that involved the Mexican Navy. They were traveling with a Mexican Navy captain in an embassy sport utility vehicle that had diplomatic license plates, heading toward a military shooting range 35 miles south of the capital when gunmen, some or all of them from the Federal Police, attacked the vehicle, Mexican officials have said.

The Mexican Navy said Tuesday in a statement that an American was driving the vehicle and that during the attack the captain, who was handling logistics and translating for the men, remained in the back seat calling for help on his cellphone.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cartels; cia; drugs; drugwar; immigration; mexico; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
President Felipe Calderón, speaking Tuesday at a security forum attended by the American ambassador, Anthony Wayne, promised a thorough investigation.

“Be it from negligence, lack of training, lack of trust, complicity, these acts cannot be permitted and they are being investigated absolutely rigorously,” Mr. Calderón said. (((When Mexico has a problem note the different tone: The Mexican government is shocked and outraged by the killings of two nationals by the U.S. border patrol," Calderon said in a statement. "We are concerned by the surge of violence against Mexicans along with other recent anti-immigrant and anti-Mexican demonstrations in the United States."

Calderon demanded an unbiased and objective probe into both killings and said guilty parties should be punished.)))

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/06/10/us-mexico-usa-killings-idUSTRE65969120100610

1 posted on 08/30/2012 4:00:20 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

It doesn’t say which cartel they were aiding.


2 posted on 08/30/2012 4:15:29 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

A lot of people owe me an apology......but hey...maybe this will open some eyes around here.

Fast and Furious could not have happened without the knowledge of the CIA.


3 posted on 08/30/2012 4:19:43 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: moonshinner_09

Another waste of US resources. The Mexican drug war is another Vietnam, where there is no way of knowing who your enemy is. Just seal the border.


4 posted on 08/30/2012 4:26:57 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: moonshinner_09

Send more, along with DEA agents and light combat soldiers to back them up.


5 posted on 08/30/2012 4:30:58 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: RummyChick

http://www.narconews.com/Issue67/article4621.html

US, Mexican Officials Brokering Deals with Drug “Cartels,” WikiLeaks Documents Show


6 posted on 08/30/2012 4:33:14 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: aimhigh

Can there be organized crime without organized complicity on the part of the government? I am not just talking about the government of Mexico but of the United States as well. How many people are being paid to look the other way? Remember Bill Clinton and Mena?


7 posted on 08/30/2012 4:33:46 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: moonshinner_09
some or all of them from the Federal Police, attacked the vehicle,

and therein is the problem.

8 posted on 08/30/2012 4:35:26 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: RummyChick

“So at this point, we can reasonably assume that the two Americans in the Toyota were indeed CIA agents or trainers or employees of some sort. We can also reasonably assume that the federal police who shot them were not exactly out in Tres Marías “To Protect and Serve” Friday morning. The last big question that remains unanswered is whether or not the men were intentionally targeted because they were CIA, or American, or just traveling in a highly desirable hard car. Personally, if I want to steal a car for personal use, I’m not going to shoot it 30 times. However, if I want to kill someone IN the car and I know it’s armored, I’m going to try to breach the armor by concentrating all my fire in one spot - which is exactly what the shooters did, and exactly how Garner and Boss (cover names, it seems) got shot. I guarantee you, this is not standard FP protocol for dealing with ANY suspect who is unarmed and not actively posing a threat to officers. Stay tuned...”

http://borderviolenceanalysis.typepad.com/


9 posted on 08/30/2012 4:37:29 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: aimhigh

Clean out these sewers like Chicago and much of this crime wave with stop. Too many people are being paid off in the US not just in Mexico.


10 posted on 08/30/2012 4:39:06 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: RummyChick

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2012/08/mexico-city-2-ambushed-in-mexico-city.html


11 posted on 08/30/2012 4:42:51 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: moonshinner_09

So, siding with the cartel, we have Mexico’s federal police and Obama’s Justice Department. Fighting the cartel we have CIA, the US military, and Mexico’s Marines.

This is turning into a two-country civil war.


12 posted on 08/30/2012 4:44:34 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron
No, that isn't what is happening.

Let me remind everyone that there was a CIA rendition plane - sold twice right before it was forced to land - with over 6000 pounds of SINALOA cocaine. The man who forced it to land ended up dead.

The plane had not been remarked at all.


Ghost Fleets with Ghost Planes owned by Ghost Companies
13 posted on 08/30/2012 4:53:08 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Ken H

“It doesn’t say which cartel they were aiding.”

Well since the US trained the zetas I would imagine that they didn’t want the US training any more potential competition.


14 posted on 08/30/2012 5:06:17 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: moonshinner_09
We should have listened to Milton Friedman in 1990 instead of Bill Bennett.

Milton Friedman on the "War on Drugs" (In a Letter to Bill Bennett)

15 posted on 08/30/2012 5:09:58 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: RummyChick

This story is a near repeat of the attack on the ATF agents in Mexico, which happened right after they had started trying to trace some F&F weapons they found at crime scenes. So, if it is the same MO, is it not unreasonable to wonder whether FP agents in the employ of the cartels were involved in that assassination as well?

They would have been able to find out where the ATF agents would be, so they could waylay them. Also, it might help to explain why the surviving ATF agent apparently unlocked the armored vehicle doors and/or rolled down the window, allowing the assassins access to the vehicle, if he knew one or more of the attackers.


16 posted on 08/30/2012 5:12:54 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Interesting synopsis of various reports

http://www.emptywheel.net/2012/08/29/did-the-cia-agents-in-mexico-shoot-at-their-pursuers/

“Also note, the same article says that when the uniformed police showed up one of the agents yelled out that they were diplomats traveling with a Navy guy, which is what stopped the shooting. Uh, during a gun battle? Yelled? And in what language, given that the Navy captain was purportedly their translator (even the one attached to the US embassy in Mexico)? Did he open the door to yell?”


17 posted on 08/30/2012 5:25:04 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
No, that isn't what is happening.

Of course, I'm being glib. But being glib, I'm not sure how wrong I am... But I've gone back and read your links; thanks for posting them.

Let me remind everyone that there was a CIA rendition plane - sold twice right before it was forced to land - with over 6000 pounds of SINALOA cocaine. The man who forced it to land ended up dead.

Thanks, I found the articles referencing the above. So, I'm gathering that at least part of our government has sided with Guzman's cartel. Have we figured out that this is where Fast and Furious weaponry went?

18 posted on 08/30/2012 6:02:21 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

El Chapo, head of Sinaloa, is/was hiding out in Honduras
Not sure when he went there..but

ATF/Tampa scandal


19 posted on 08/30/2012 6:29:21 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Ken H
Illegality creates obscene profits that finance the murderous tactics of the drug lords; illegality leads to the corruption of law enforcement officials; illegality monopolizes the efforts of honest law forces so that they are starved for resources to fight the simpler crimes of robbery, theft and assault.

Drugs are a tragedy for addicts. But criminalizing their use converts that tragedy into a disaster for society, for users and non-users alike.

It's like he had a crystal ball.

20 posted on 08/31/2012 7:57:02 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Why is the New York Times releasing this information.
Traitors!
When do we start trying them for treason?


21 posted on 09/01/2012 10:17:29 AM PDT by NowApproachingMidnight (“Civilizations die from suicide, not murder.")
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