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Is Mitt Becoming More Conservative?
The American Thinker ^ | August 31, 2012 | Rosslyn Smith

Posted on 08/31/2012 12:49:30 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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I was very pleased by the American exceptionalism tone of Romney's speech last night.

Just finished reading this Wiki entry (Romney's mention of his mother prompted my curiosity). A biography of Mitt Romney's mother Lenore: Lenore Romney -- worth absorbing.

1 posted on 08/31/2012 12:49:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Hasn’t he already proceeded to marginalize the right, and the tea party, and Palin?

Hasn’t he already switched back to being pro-abortion”


2 posted on 08/31/2012 12:51:44 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Spit it out. Give me more than your tossed out questions.


3 posted on 08/31/2012 12:55:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Is Mitt Becoming More Conservative?

Nope.
4 posted on 08/31/2012 12:56:23 AM PDT by billybudd
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A vote for Mittens is a vote for NOTHING.

A vote for Mittens is a vote against Barry not a vote for Mittens.

A vote for Barry is a vote against Mittens.

Neither elitist snob can define their candidacy beyond the negatives of their opponent.

5 posted on 08/31/2012 12:58:20 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Lies to get elected. We’ll be living in the United State of Massachusettes soon enough. (As if we weren’t already)

Again, the election is the s*** sandwich or the giant douche.


6 posted on 08/31/2012 12:59:45 AM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Biblebelter
Neither elitist snob can define their candidacy beyond the negatives of their opponent.

I guess you've been living under a rock.

7 posted on 08/31/2012 12:59:45 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Romney reminds me of a good many smart businessmen I have known. They live their own lives by a set of solid small-c conservative rules, but they are too busy solving smaller daily problems to think much about political conservatism as a coherent system. Such people often pay lip service to the left-of-center conventional media wisdom about big government and public morality even as they rigorously practice all the bourgeois virtues of thrift, hard work, neighborliness, sobriety, and sexual continence in their personal affairs. As long as the conventional wisdom doesn't impact their daily lives in a concrete way, why bother challenging it? They have better uses for their time.

People mistakenly see Mitt Romney as pure businessman, because he was in business off and on for about 20 years, but he has been running for political office for the last 20 years, and was involved in politics to a degree during the 1980s, he was fundraising as a democrat at the beginings of the 1990s, he was political enough in 1979 to leave the GOP because of Reagan.

He is the son of a Governor, and Presidential candidate father, and a Senate candidate mother. he was with his father when they walked out in protest of Goldwater in 1964.

Mitt has always been political, and passionately anti-conservative, he even spent his own money running ads against Steve Forbes and the flat tax in 1996, he used to spend his money to defeat republican candidates and incumbents to replace them with democrats, Mitt has always known his own personal politics.

8 posted on 08/31/2012 1:02:59 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You are the Romney person, you posted the thread, haven’t those been the highlights of the last couple of weeks?

I know that he returned to his pro-abortion position, and I know that the leader of the conservative movement and national face of the tea party wasn’t there.


9 posted on 08/31/2012 1:06:31 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

And you are decidedly anti-RNC nominee.

I see from your posts on FR, you will be staying busy posting anti-Romney comments.

To me that makes you pro-Obama in the election.

Good to know where you stand.


10 posted on 08/31/2012 1:13:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ansel12

LINKS?


11 posted on 08/31/2012 1:13:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Hi, CW.

I think he's saying and doing all that he can to be elected.

Many are going with OBA. He scared me when he said that he will replace Obamacare; not to repeal.

12 posted on 08/31/2012 1:17:13 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Pro-lifers take note: In a CBS television interview, Mitt Romney went further than any previous Republican presidential nominee has gone toward accepting legal abortion.

"My position has been clear throughout this campaign," Romney said. "I'm in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother."

http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/the-city-gates.cfm?id=398

13 posted on 08/31/2012 1:18:07 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Christie at the beach

Then work to get a solid GOP Senate, strong conservative state houses.

We don’t have a dictatorship - yet.

With Obama we will continue rolling toward a dictatorship.


14 posted on 08/31/2012 1:21:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Pro-Obama or Pro-Romney, is still Anti-US. Period.

Stop deluding yourself.


15 posted on 08/31/2012 1:22:29 AM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: ansel12

There is no national face of the TEA party, unless you are talking about all the TEA party candidates and elected officials that spoke at the convention — 90% of the speakers.

Or are you talking about Rick Santelli?


16 posted on 08/31/2012 1:26:37 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t know if Mitt is becoming more conservative but I do know it is possible to change. As conservatives our job is to try to educate people about conservatism so that we can move them to our side.

If we have already adopted the philosophy that people cannot be moved to conservatism then we should just hang it up now, and Rush should just retire and spend his last years playing golf.


17 posted on 08/31/2012 1:28:47 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; sf4dubya

Tell me something, and please answer, you are a Romney supporter and vetted him carefully, did you know “throughout this campaign”, that Mitt was a “health of the mother” abortion supporter?
Did any or all of you Romney supporters reading this know that, or is this a bombshell that just dropped on you?

Here is the link to the video.

(CBS News) In an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, Mitt Romney said his views on abortion rights are more lenient than those put forward in the Republican party platform.

“My position has been clear throughout this campaign,” Romney said. “I’m in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57501172/romney-my-views-on-abortion-rights-are-clear/


18 posted on 08/31/2012 1:30:03 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Crazieman

As conservatives our job is to try to educate people about conservatism so that we can move them to our side. Anybody who believes that task is impossible is nothing but deadwood.


19 posted on 08/31/2012 1:30:50 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You never will slow it down with these types of people. He is apart of socialism already.

Yes, I am helping all that I can do to secure a GOP senate and get conservatives elected to state races; in the event Mittens does not make it.


20 posted on 08/31/2012 1:31:03 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: ansel12

Blah blah you don’t even know who Rick Santelli is.

You are not TEA party. You’re a poseur and a fraud looking to turn this site into a bigoted mess.

Mia Love must’ve really pissed you off.


21 posted on 08/31/2012 1:38:23 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: tsowellfan
Don't you and a list of others become exhausted by pushing your views on other people and also by insulting them. Just like the liberals do. Vote for Romney. No vote for Romney. It's a person's God given right to do as they decide.
22 posted on 08/31/2012 1:39:52 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: sf4dubya

You didn’t want to answer post 18.

Finding out that Mitt Romney is still pro-abortion should shake you a little bit, but something tells me it won’t.


23 posted on 08/31/2012 1:44:31 AM PDT by ansel12
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Is the necessity of Conservatism becoming apparent to Mitt in terms of what’s best for the United States of America?

I love spelling out: United States of America. It’s a privilege.


24 posted on 08/31/2012 1:44:36 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: ansel12

http://www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012GOPPlatform.pdf

[excerpts]

The First Amendment: The Foresight of Our Founders to Protect Religious Freedom

The first provision of the First Amendment concerns freedom of religion. That guarantee reflected Thomas Jefferson’s Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, which declared that no one should “suffer on account of his religious opinion or belief, but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion….” That assurance has never been more needed than it is today, as liberal elites try to drive religious beliefs—and religious believers—out of the public square. The Founders of the American Republic universally agree that democracy presupposes a moral people and that, in the words of George Washington’s Farewell Address, “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.”

The most offensive instance of this war on religion has been the current Administration’s attempt to compel faith-related institutions, as well as believing individuals, to contravene their deeply held religious, moral, or ethical beliefs regarding health services, traditional marriage, or abortion. This forcible secularization of religious and religiously affiliated organizations, including faith-based hospitals and colleges, has been in tandem with the current
Administration’s audacity in declaring which faithrelated activities are, or are not, protected by the First Amendment—an unprecedented aggression repudiated by a unanimous Supreme Court in its Hosanna-Tabor v. EEOC decision.

We pledge to respect the religious beliefs and rights of conscience of all Americans and to safeguard the independence of their institutions from government. We support the public display of the Ten Commandments as a reflection of our history and of our country’s Judeo-Christian heritage, and we affirm the right of students to engage in prayer at public school events in public schools and to have equal access to public schools and other public facilities to accommodate religious freedom in the public square. We assert every citizen’s right to apply religious values to public policy and the right of faith-based organizations to participate fully in public programs without renouncing their beliefs, removing religious symbols, or submitting to government-imposed hiring practices. We oppose government discrimination against businesses due to religious views. We support the First Amendment right of freedom of association of the Boy Scouts of America and other service organizations whose values are under assault and condemn the State blacklisting of religious groups which decline to arrange adoptions by same-sex couples. We condemn the hate campaigns, threats of violence, and vandalism by proponents of same-sex marriage against advocates of traditional marriage and call for a federal investigation into attempts to deny religious believers their civil rights.

..The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life

Faithful to the “self-evident” truths enshrined in the declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We oppose the nonconsensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide.

Republican leadership has led the effort to prohibit the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion and permitted States to extend health care coverage to children before birth. We urge Congress to strengthen the Born Alive Infant Protection Act by enacting appropriate civil and criminal penalties on healthcare providers who fail to provide treatment and care to an infant who survives an abortion, including early induction delivery where the death of the infant is intended. We call for legislation to ban sex-selective abortions – gender discrimination in its most lethal form—and to protect from abortion unborn children who are capable of feeling pain; and we applaud U.S. House Republicans for leading the effort to protect the lives of pain-capable unborn children in the District of Columbia. We call for a ban on the use of body parts from aborted fetuses for research. We support and applaud adult stem cell research to develop lifesaving therapies, and we oppose the killing of embryos for their stem cells. We oppose federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

We also salute the many States that have passed laws for informed consent, mandatory waiting periods prior to an abortion, and health-protective clinic regulation. We seek to protect young girls from exploitation through a parental consent requirement; and we affirm our moral obligation to assist, rather than penalize, women challenged by an unplanned pregnancy. We salute those who provide them with counseling and adoption alternatives and empower them to choose life, and we take comfort in the tremendous increase in adoptions that has followed Republican legislative initiatives. [end excerpts GOP 2012 Platform]


25 posted on 08/31/2012 1:48:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ansel12

Bugger off troll who has no idea who Rick Santelli is and his relation to the TEA party movement.

When you actually do something positive on this site that relates to conservativism, then you can ping me.


26 posted on 08/31/2012 1:48:43 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No.


27 posted on 08/31/2012 1:49:04 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No.


28 posted on 08/31/2012 1:49:04 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Mitt is not a conservative. You fall for words every time just like eve in the garden.


29 posted on 08/31/2012 1:50:01 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You’re trying to talk sense to someone who really needs to bugger off with his decidedly non-conservative views.


30 posted on 08/31/2012 1:51:03 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I was hoping that you would answer post 18, did you know “throughout this campaign”, that Mitt was a “health of the mother” abortion supporter?

Did any or all of you Romney supporters reading this know that, or is this a bombshell that just dropped on you 4 days ago?

“My position has been clear throughout this campaign,” Romney said. “I’m in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother.”

31 posted on 08/31/2012 1:52:22 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

(CBS News) In an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, Mitt Romney said his views on abortion rights are more lenient than those put forward in the Republican party platform.

“My position has been clear throughout this campaign,” Romney said. “I’m in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57501172/romney-my-views-on-abortion-rights-are-clear/


32 posted on 08/31/2012 1:54:08 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

I am supporting the GOP ticket.

You have decided to campaign against it.


33 posted on 08/31/2012 2:02:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
As in 2008, most of the media accept all the carefully scripted images of Obama as Gospel truth while they busy themselves trying to either hide or spin away all those extemporaneous words and deeds that display Obama's true beliefs

They know Obama's true beliefs. This is a coordinated effort being run in concert to change the US. Liberals have taken over the Democratic party and the Democrats are marching us in lock step towards socialism. And they have about 40 percent of the voting mass willing to go along with them. There is no "working together". You're either for cutting spending or your not. You're either for abortion or your not. You're either for illegals or your not. You're either for gay marriages or your not.

Conservatives have better wake up or we're going become another England.

34 posted on 08/31/2012 2:04:32 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Gene Eric
Well, this thread is no pep rally for Mittler.

As to the silly notion that Mittler is trending conservative, puhleeze!

As to Mittler's late mommy Lenore, Wikipedia does note that her ill-conceived US Senate race in 1970 was lost to Philip Hart by a 2-1 landslide although Hart and his wife had been arrested in anti-Vietnam War protests. Wikipedia also failed to note that she ran as a full-throated pro-abort pom pom girl (as a Republican no less) more than two years BEFORE Roe vs. Wade. That's Mittler's mommy.

Husband George ran for POTUS in 1968 as a stalking horse for Nelson Rockefeller but self-destructed when he claimed to have been "brainwashed" into supporting the Viet Nam War. As even anti-war Senator Gene McCarthy observed at the time, brainwashing was too drastic when a light rinse would have sufficed. That's Mittler's daddy.

Just WHAT are we expecting of Mittler that is any good whatsoever???

35 posted on 08/31/2012 2:05:43 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline/Tomas de Torquemada Gentleman's Society: Roast 'em!)
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To: bmwcyle
Mitt is not a conservative. You fall for words every time just like eve in the garden.

And you are characterizing me from what information? Mitt Romney picked Paul Ryan and he wants to rebuild our economy. I do believe it is possible for him to be moving to the Right -- he has the potential to be a very good president for the country.

36 posted on 08/31/2012 2:09:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ansel12; Cincinatus' Wife

One of the quickest way of eliminating abortion is to defund Planned Parenthood. I believe Romney/Ryan will do this once they start taking a knife to the budget. And that’s what frightens the left.


37 posted on 08/31/2012 2:09:34 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So learning that he lied about his becoming pro-life, and the fact that he reversed himself again so easily, and so soon after locking up the nomination, not even waiting for the election, doesn’t mean anything to you?


38 posted on 08/31/2012 2:11:37 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: ansel12

How is your Obama cheerleading going on.


39 posted on 08/31/2012 2:12:55 AM PDT by GregH
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To: BlackElk

I did read the entire Wiki piece before adding it to this thread, as it does describe Lenore’s position on abortion — now Mitt has heard from the base. There is much in that bio of his mother that is interesting. I’m sure she influenced him in many ways. Everyone should read it.

I’ve also linked the GOP platform on abortion above.

And there you go again with the “stalking horse” stuff.


40 posted on 08/31/2012 2:15:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: BlackElk

You’re relentless.

I think my comment about the necessity of adopting Conservatism isn’t farfetched. That’s not to say he’s Conservative in heart.

Mittler? Few will make the connection between genocide and infanticide.


41 posted on 08/31/2012 2:18:10 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: HarleyD

I think Romney-Ryan plan to defund a lot of things.

Big Government has been put on notice.


42 posted on 08/31/2012 2:18:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: HarleyD
One of the quickest way of eliminating abortion is to defund Planned Parenthood. I believe Romney/Ryan will do this once they start taking a knife to the budget. And that’s what frightens the left.

Mitt Romney was pro-abortion for 42 years, he fund raised for Planned Parenthood and supported them, 4 days ago he declared that he is still pro-abortion, and has been openly, throughout the campaign.

Did that knock your legs out from under you?

43 posted on 08/31/2012 2:18:45 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“And you are decidedly anti-RNC nominee.”

“I see from your posts on FR, you will be staying busy posting anti-Romney comments.”

“To me that makes you pro-Obama in the election.”

GO TO HELL.


44 posted on 08/31/2012 2:21:34 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: ansel12

No, not from what I have heard in last night’s speech.


45 posted on 08/31/2012 2:27:11 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

By what I have heard, Mitt sure sounds like he is becoming more conservative.


46 posted on 08/31/2012 2:28:25 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

maybe you will answer post 18 and whether you knew.


47 posted on 08/31/2012 2:30:23 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Biblebelter

Well get used to it, that is what this election is all about.


48 posted on 08/31/2012 2:31:32 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

From what I have heard in bits and pieces last night, yes, it sure sounds like Mitt is moving right.


49 posted on 08/31/2012 2:34:43 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: ansel12

Your opinion.


50 posted on 08/31/2012 2:35:56 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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