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Is Mitt Becoming More Conservative?
The American Thinker ^ | August 31, 2012 | Rosslyn Smith

Posted on 08/31/2012 12:49:30 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Biggirl
If he wants to protect his family and ours from the destruction being done to the U.S. -- he will move Right. I believe he understands that.


51 posted on 08/31/2012 2:38:10 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Biggirl

I was wondering if you knew, not your opinion.

“”Tell me something, and please answer, you are a Romney supporter and vetted him carefully, did you know “throughout this campaign”, that Mitt was a “health of the mother” abortion supporter?
Did any or all of you Romney supporters reading this know that, or is this a bombshell that just dropped on you?””


52 posted on 08/31/2012 2:39:51 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Mitt is sure is starting to act conservative. Some FRpers FORGET that people CAN and DO CHANGE.


53 posted on 08/31/2012 2:43:29 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; ansel12

Mitt will be pushed whichever way his followers are pushing him. If we tea-partiers shout more and demonstrate more and come out more, we can push him more to our side. I have no illusions about Mitt being anywhere near a Palin, but he’s pliable, so lets ply him to our side.


54 posted on 08/31/2012 2:43:57 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: All

Ignore the trolls!


55 posted on 08/31/2012 2:46:19 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Is Mitt Becoming More Conservative?”

Unlikely.


56 posted on 08/31/2012 2:47:02 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
No!!! ROTFLOL Really now!!! Let me get this straight you honestly really think that Mitt Romney is now going to sell out the all the Money-Men who got him here? That he is going to reverse his political ideological stances on issues that he has spent his whole political career advancing? Come on now nice try at spin but that cycle shut off a long time ago.

I mean really people have access to LexusNexis, Government.com,org,net, all his speeches, government business, private sector records, etc... people who took to the time to look into Mitt Romney know exactly who he is and what he stands for. There is no guessing about who Mitt is anymore. It is all out there with no interpretation needed.

It was a nice speech on American exceptionalism but he is not going to throw away his core beliefs out the window based on a campaign speech.

57 posted on 08/31/2012 2:50:07 AM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Cronos
Mitt will be pushed whichever way his followers are pushing him.

That isn't true at all, it never has been, the man has been on a single minded political road his entire life, liberal. The man is 66 years old and has never wavered from his political beliefs except when campaigning for this national position to rule the GOP, now that he has wrapped up the nomination he has already moved against the tea party and the right, and reverted back to his pro-abortion position.

Once the election is over, he will do what he wants as he reshapes the party into the image of himself and his mentor, William Weld.

You answer post 52, did you know? Or are you shocked?

58 posted on 08/31/2012 2:50:36 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Continue rolling toward a dictatorship? We’re already there...


59 posted on 08/31/2012 2:52:35 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Biggirl
Some FRpers FORGET that people CAN and DO CHANGE.

Yeah, AUGUST 27, 2012, Mitt Romney CHANGED BACK TO HIS PRO-ABORTION POSITION.

60 posted on 08/31/2012 2:53:28 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Captain Beyond

Here is a good mental exercise.

Go through the list of everyone who spoke at the RNC.

Write out all the names of those who are conservative and/or TEA party.

Post it here.

It was “Romney’s convention” after all...


61 posted on 08/31/2012 2:56:38 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: All

The time of fighting yesterday’s battles are done.

Time to get Obama OUT of the White House!


62 posted on 08/31/2012 2:57:41 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

August 27, was only 4 days ago, shouldn’t we take up that battle?


63 posted on 08/31/2012 3:02:22 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: ansel12

I mean the primaries. They are done.


64 posted on 08/31/2012 3:09:25 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
Bump!


65 posted on 08/31/2012 3:10:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Biggirl

I know the primary is over, Mitt says that he openly campaigned on being a “health of the mother” abortion candidate, is that true?

He won you over, did you know that was his abortion position?


66 posted on 08/31/2012 3:12:56 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Biggirl

You betcha! :)

We need the Trifecta to start to undo the damage... tons of work to do before November... This was just the start...


67 posted on 08/31/2012 3:15:32 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: Biblebelter
You may want to keep in mind that most any one would be better than what we have right now, including a used car salesman, not that I have anything against them and would be doing it in a split second if I had to. Besides Mitt is a business man and understands how it works and this clown who is in charge right now could not even run a popcorn stand if he had to. So I would suggest to set aside your religious differences and vote for what is best for this country.Besides Mitt had given more than his fair share as charitable contribution what should count for something and speaks well for his character and shows that he cares.
68 posted on 08/31/2012 3:29:02 AM PDT by saintgermaine
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To: Biblebelter
You may want to keep in mind that most any one would be better than what we have right now, including a used car salesman, not that I have anything against them and would be doing it in a split second if I had to. Besides Mitt is a business man and understands how it works and this clown who is in charge right now could not even run a popcorn stand if he had to. So I would suggest to set aside your religious differences and vote for what is best for this country.Besides Mitt had given more than his fair share as charitable contribution what should count for something and speaks well for his character and shows that he cares.
69 posted on 08/31/2012 3:29:15 AM PDT by saintgermaine
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Spit it out. Give me more than your tossed out questions.

Good response to him - they have the attacks but nothing in the way of a better plan (unless it's a secret plan that only folks with their gigantic intellects can possible grasp). I personally believe he was always a bit more conservative than was readily observable - it takes some skills to operate in a 80%+ Dim environment like he did as Gov.

70 posted on 08/31/2012 3:53:12 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: sf4dubya; ansel12
When you actually do something positive on this site that relates to conservativism, then you can ping me.

Bub, you have no idea about how deeply involved he has been in fighting hard in the trenches with us for the Conservative cause. You're the Romney troll, so get lost.

71 posted on 08/31/2012 3:59:29 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: ansel12
I don't understand how social conservatives can't seem to grasp the concept that the way to implement social reform is through the budget. The liberals learned this a long time ago. If you want abortion, fund abortion. If you don't want abortion, don't fund it. I can guarantee you that if they removed payments for condoms and abortions from the budget, abortions will go down. Throw in a regulation making every expected mother to go through a sonogram and abortion will drop further. That is why the left fights against these things. Will it stop abortions? No. You will NEVER stop it. But we don't have to support it with tax payer dollars and we can prevent it with regulations.

I've never been impressed with Mitt and he wasn't even my last choice of all the candidates. But here we are. Given the choice between Romney or Obama, I'll hold my nose and vote for Romney with the hope that Paul Ryan will have his ear. I think Paul understand.

72 posted on 08/31/2012 4:03:55 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: ansel12
Hasn’t he already proceeded to marginalize the right, and the tea party, and Palin?

Hasn’t he already switched back to being pro-abortion”

You must be thinking of the other guy you and others would as soon see reelected, such is your virulent hatred.

73 posted on 08/31/2012 4:04:39 AM PDT by neveralib
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To: ansel12
Still, I think he's on to something with the small c conservative label. If the pro and anti Mitt cyber warriors can stop flaming each other for a bit and consider the possibility that the writer is not spewing propaganda, it does seem to fit.

We always sneer at the concept of a person who “says what's necessary to get elected” without even considering the possibility that a person with serious long-term goals Conservative goals could do the same.

Romney has paid his dues in both arenas — politics and business — and the more I watch him and look at his past record, I am convinced that I am seeing a person who fully understands the old saw that, “politics is the art of the possible”.

His tenacity has to be acknowledged, even by those who deplore him, because without it in all its ruthless glory, he wouldn't be the nominee. I am not pleased at the way he did it, but to throw another cliche out there, “politics ain't beanbag” and he can't fix things until he can get his hands on the controls.

And this is where his selection of Ryan makes the most sense. The businessman side of Romney knows clearly that unless serious repairs are made there, the whole bloody system is going to fall apart. He can do the math.

Ryan is definitely the man to convince the voters about that, and in a way they understand and can agree with.

On the Conservative side, small c Romney has always been a full-fledged Conservative in his personal life. Anti-Mormons, as much as they may dislike the religion, have to admit his life story is a testament to the virtues and values of home, family, charity, good works, patriotism, and professional endeavor.

He may regret some of the deals he made along the way, who doesn't, but I am starting to get the sense that as the magnitude of his task becomes more apparent and the damage done to the nation becomes more frightening, he's made the decision to get back to basics there as well.

Writing all this out, I am still not totally sold, but that is where my gut is taking me right now. And it's not really a bad place.

74 posted on 08/31/2012 4:14:05 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
During his kennedy debate... romney referenced his mother as the woman who in 1970, instilled support for abortion into his core and he proclaimed he was pro choice because of her... and he explained how active she was in the movement to codify abortion rights. romney may be the only winning choice for many but rest assured that you lose votes trying to paint him as something that he is not. He is who he is IMHO. Find the positives and promote them... but selling shoe polish as soap will win few customers.

LLS

75 posted on 08/31/2012 4:15:18 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (If romney is our only chance... we have less of a chance than a Massachusetts fetus.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The begining of the end of era of Obama came via a doc movie.


76 posted on 08/31/2012 4:17:29 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I was very pleased by the American exceptionalism tone of Romney's speech last night.

As was I; I think he could be a great President and amy very comfortable voting a straight Republican ticket. I have no reservation whatsoever. My favorite candidates were Perry and Gingrich but I'm not sure they could have won a general election. I think Romney can. He is an effective communicator and I like his choice of Paul Ryan for VP. If he also brings back John Bolton I will be even more pleased.

77 posted on 08/31/2012 4:18:38 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: Ronin

Spot on.


78 posted on 08/31/2012 4:20:12 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Timber Rattler; ansel12

Bullspit. He knows nothing about the TEA party movement. Didn’t even know who Santelli is, thinks Palin started it and leads it (she doesn’t — no one does, because it is made up of decentralized local organizations by design — don’t get me wrong, i like and admire Palin, but she wasn’t at the original 9/12 march).

The conservative cause has nothing to do with deeming one religion superior to another. We fight for freedom of religion. We don’t discriminate based on race, creed, or religion. We don’t do class warfare or race baiting.

You want to hook anti-Mormonism to this site, then be prepared to be shouted down by real conservatives who know better because there are more Mormons than just Romney running for office, and they are conservative. Nor do we want lurkers and new/potential conservatives thinking that we accept that around here.

The primaries are over, the candidate nominated, many of us worked hard to make sure a majority of speakers at the RNC are conservative, and we’re not going to let a few purists get in the way of throwing out a Marxist administration.

Romney got the nomination without your help and this site actively campaigning against him. Lick your wounds, focus on the Senate and House races, and stop the infighting. Anything after this is just plain out trolling.


79 posted on 08/31/2012 4:20:20 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: ansel12
Tell me something, and please answer, you are a Romney supporter and vetted him carefully, did you know “throughout this campaign”, that Mitt was a “health of the mother” abortion supporter? Did any or all of you Romney supporters reading this know that, or is this a bombshell that just dropped on you?

I'm not a Romeny-bott or supporter and didn't "vet" him as you "purists" here have, but I HAVE "vetted" the one all you hate and it appears, would not be bothered if reelected...even if it means the end of our Republic as we have known it for 200+ years.

Ok, your turn: which is worse: taking a position on abortion which includes a "health/life of the mother exception," or one which SUPPORTS KILLING BREATHING, LIVING, HUMAN, BEINGS, which said babies have survived botched abortions: "Infanticide?"

For every issue you and your kind can muster against Mitt and reason to stay home or vote 3rd Party, I/we can come up with dozens of examples showing Dear Reader's position on same as much worse.

Go ahead, take your best shot(s)!!!

81 posted on 08/31/2012 4:22:27 AM PDT by neveralib
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Romney is trying to appear to be what he thinks people want him to be. He is a man without any core principles at all.


82 posted on 08/31/2012 4:25:51 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: ansel12

ansel, you are beating a dead horse..

the people so blinded with removing fubo are willing and able to elect another socialist to take his place...

at best, you may be able to change the mind of 1 person on this site..

you will be called a racist (sound familiar)..

you will be told that if you do not vote for our socialist then you are voting for their socialist...

and so on and so forth..

but, you will not be told why you should vote for mcromney, other than “our socialist is better than their socialist”..

it needs to be put in terms that everyone can understand..

if you vote for a pro abortion candidate, then you back abortion... period... do not lecture me about your own moral stand on this subject if you are willing to give your vote to someone that stand for it..

if you vote for a gay rights candidate, then you back gay rights... period..

if you voter for a gun control candidate, then you back gun control... period..

if you vote for a person that has nominated more liberal judges to the bench than fubo, then you back liberal judges... period..

it is not the people that do not back mcromney that are the haters, racists, or non conservatives..

those that back the above are the non conservatives... period..


83 posted on 08/31/2012 4:27:21 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Regardless of this election, almost everyone on FR is a conservative and even when we disagree... these personal attacks do nothing but harm all of us. I will not tell anyone not to vote for mitt. I will not call anyone names or accuse them of supporting obama or being a liberal if they do not... unless it is one of the paid trolls infecting FR during this election. I will post the truth to what I perceive as falsehoods.

Is mitt more conservative than obama? Well... almost anyone that has owned and/or run a business is more conservative than obama. mitt is who and what he is. If he gets elected... he has a chance to redefine himself. So far during this election, he has reaffirmed more of his progressive past than not. IMHO, YMMV (your mileage may vary) etc etc etc.

LLS

84 posted on 08/31/2012 4:27:30 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (If romney is our only chance... we have less of a chance than a Massachusetts fetus.)
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To: All

Delhi Rebels
Since Aug 4, 2012

Here we go with the four year infestation like locusts...


85 posted on 08/31/2012 4:28:58 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: ansel12
So learning that he lied about his becoming pro-life, and the fact that he reversed himself again so easily, and so soon after locking up the nomination, not even waiting for the election, doesn’t mean anything to you?

So, learning that he who you and a few others here would has soon see reelected (such that y'all are blinded by your hatred) has lied about "everything" from day one (can you show me an example where he has ever been forthcoming or honest?) "doesn't mean anything to you?"

It's going to be Mitt or Dear Reader; no other choice, so who will it be?

Better yet, who(m) would you rather see as President???

86 posted on 08/31/2012 4:29:13 AM PDT by neveralib
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To: ansel12
"I'm in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother."

In the case of rape I believe an abortion is compounding the crime. in the case of life of the mother, I cannot judge a woman who has the unenviable position of choosing her life or her unborn child's -- the women who chose to save their child's life are saints.

For women whose health is at risk, this is again the mother's decision, and a difficult one.

But, let me remind you that the number of abortions for this are just 0.1% of all abortions. I got this number from the site http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/index.html -- Poland bans abortions except for: 1. rape, 2. health/life of mother and 3. health issues of the foetus --> I don't understand the meaning of the 3rd, but that's a separate point.

Right now, with these 3, there were only 640 killings in 2010 -- 0.1% of all conceptions.

in the US, by contrast which is freer, nearly 20 to 22% were aborted.

So, I extrapolate this to mean that only 0.1% of abortions are for: 1. rape, 2. health/life of mother.

We had move than 1 million deaths last year. If we can reduce this to 1,000 it is saving the lives of 999,000 -- we should aim for this

87 posted on 08/31/2012 4:29:43 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: sf4dubya
Granted but who is the most recognized face in the TEA Party movement? Who has reporters and supporters flock to see and speak with her when she surfaces? Who is on nationwide TV fighting a war against the pop culture. Palin is a high profile person in the TEA Party movement. She didn't found it or create it... but she has nurtured it and promoted it and helped to elect members of it. I give her great kudos for doing that... plus she puts the leftards into hate filled meltdown.

LLS

88 posted on 08/31/2012 4:33:52 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (If romney is our only chance... we have less of a chance than a Massachusetts fetus.)
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To: ansel12; Biggirl
health of mother

as i said above -- look at the bigger picture, in countries where only "health of mother" or rape is allowed as justifications for abortion, the % of conceptions aborted is 0.1% -- focus. I am a guy and I cannot condemn a woman who believes her life is at risk. For those who believe their health is at risk -- I agree, this can be taken broadly, even mental health etc., but take the case of Poland where even that as an excuse does not lead to so many abortions as we have in the USA.

The 99.9% of abortions are just for population maintenance or to allow folks to have their fun and not bear consequences.

We need to focus on saving the 99.9%

89 posted on 08/31/2012 4:34:10 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Wifey,

It's been a hard road but the both of us finally arrived as Romney supporters.

We battled very hard in the primaries, many times on different sides, some time on the same side, but never on Romney's side.

The primary is over and it is what it is and we can accept reality or become what many on FR have become, reality deniers.

A vote for any third party candidate or withholding your vote only helps obama.

It is simple logic, but you can witness, many FReepers that are usually logical, twist themselves into liberal pretzel logic spouters to defend their Romney hatred and their "reasons" for not voting for Romney.

I'm going to work, donate, call, poll watch and vote for Ryan/Romney 2012 and hopefully celebrate their victory in November. Is it Romney/Ryan or Ryan/Romney, whatever?

90 posted on 08/31/2012 4:35:21 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Regardless of this election, almost everyone on FR is a conservative and even when we disagree... these personal attacks do nothing but harm all of us

LLS, you know I respect you and any disagreements we have had, either now or in the past, have been cordial. However when the Romney-hating lynch mob cease their lying and offensive attacks on FReepers who recognize the danger of a second 0bama term and are voting for Romney & Ryan, they will not receive any less-than-friendly responses. Until that happens, they will receive a proportional response from me and from all thinking conservatives who are putting their Country first.

Hope you have a good weekend FRiend.
91 posted on 08/31/2012 4:35:31 AM PDT by mkjessup (Finley Peter Dunne - "Politics ain't beanbag")
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To: Delhi Rebels; Admin Moderator

Get lost n00b troll. We’re on to you.


92 posted on 08/31/2012 4:36:58 AM PDT by mkjessup (Finley Peter Dunne - "Politics ain't beanbag")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I like it when Mitt reminded people about Carter and placed BO in the same category. Home run.


93 posted on 08/31/2012 4:39:52 AM PDT by albie
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To: Cronos

Psst... this election isn’t about abortion, although the Dems will damn try to do just that... It’s about the ECONOMY and HUGE DEBT and PERSONAL LIBERTY...

This same group was doing the same thing with McCain/Palin four years ago, and ver successful. How’d that turn out?

If the American people are sick of their affair with Marxism, then Romney will win. If conservatives do not fight Marxism, they become irrelevant.


94 posted on 08/31/2012 4:41:22 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: ansel12
maybe you will answer post 18 and whether you knew.

We all know that Romney, regardless of his flip-flops on several issues that rankle you, ain't NO OBAMA.

there are two real candidates that are on the ballot in November, Romney and obama, pick one.

A no vote, helps the incumbent.

95 posted on 08/31/2012 4:42:22 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Is Mitt Becoming More Conservative?

He MIGHT be pandering to the conservatives a bit, but have his core values changed - not likely. Still even a socialist country club Republican like Willard is much better that the dedicated Marxist Kenyan currently befouling the white house. If Robert Mugabe had a son he would be like 0bama

96 posted on 08/31/2012 4:46:51 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: sf4dubya
You want to hook anti-Mormonism to this site, then be prepared to be shouted down by real conservatives who know better because there are more Mormons than just Romney running for office, and they are conservative.

Is the Mormon card all you GOP-E sheeple got?

97 posted on 08/31/2012 4:47:28 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Biggirl
"Mitt is sure is starting to act conservative."

Keyword: act.

I see no substance to Mitt's economic policy whatsoever, regardless of what he says in flowery speeches. Let's look at what Mitt's official campaign cite says: How I'll Tackle Spending, Debt

As is typical, most of this platform position statement is fluff. The real numbers, the money shot, is in the 4th paragraph:

Any turnaround must begin with clear and realistic goals. By the end of my first term, I will bring federal spending as a share of GDP down from last year’s staggering 24.3 percent to 20 percent or below. This level is in line with the historical average and nears the tax revenue our economy generates when healthy. With economic growth of 4% a year, meeting this goal will require approximately $500 billion of spending cuts in 2016, and that would still allow us to undo the Obama administration’s irresponsible defense cuts.

This sure sounds good to anyone not really paying attention, but it is riddled with false assumptions and bad math.

He starts off with 2 accurate numbers: current spending IS running at 24% of GDP, and his 20% target IS in line with the historical average of spending vs. GDP. However, his next statement is a stretch: "This level is in line with the historical average and nears the tax revenue our economy generates when healthy".

That last bit in bold is the problem. Our tax revenue right now is $2.3 trillion, only 15% of GDP. Granted, the economy is extremely weak, but the 76-year average for revenue is still only 17% of GDP, so he's still off by $450 billion. The only time our revenues hit 20% of GDP in the last 30 years were the 3 years 1998-2000 - the peak of the dot com bubble, which was an aberration not likely to be repeated.

He also fails to account for the fact that since government spending is a component of GDP, reducing Federal spending will also reduce GDP and will, at least for a short to medium term, reduce revenues further. Not that this is a reason NOT to cut spending, just an accounting fact he ignores.

Then we go on to another HUGE false assumption, which completely blows his math out of the water: "With economic growth of 4% a year".

Full stop.

His numbers, much like Paul Ryan's budget plans, are entirely based on this assumption of sustained 4-5% economic growth. Why is this a problem? Because it's fantasy, and he gives us no clue as to how he's actually going to create this 4% growth.

Why is it fantasy? You only have to look at the history of the past 30 years. When you subtract out debt expansion, we have had NO net economic growth!

No net economic growth in 30 years?! Really? Really!

In 1980, GDP was $2.72 trillion and total outstanding public debt was $0.91 trillion. In 2011, GDP was $15.09 trillion, but public debt swelled to $14.79 trillion! We added $12.37 trillion in GDP at the expense of $13.88 trillion in new debt!

So no, you can't just go throwing around assumptions like "4% economic growth". The bottom line is, Romney's economic plan is smoke and mirrors and still dependent on continuing to run structural budget deficits forever.

98 posted on 08/31/2012 4:47:47 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: Crazieman
Lies to get elected. We’ll be living in the United State of Massachusettes soon enough.

Right now we are living in Chicago - running very fast to the Southside.

ABO
(We'll deal with Romney when he gets in)

99 posted on 08/31/2012 4:49:19 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: LibLieSlayer

She is a paid media personality just like Beck and Rush. She has a PAC.

She didn’t hop on board until a year after the TEA party movement started.

You can worship whatever you want, but she did not run because of various reasons. Therefore, I am more concerned with those TEA party members who are actually in office or running for office.

When she announces she is putting her name in for RNC chairwoman, then I will gladly support her. But people throwing the baby out with the bath water need to seriously get out of the way and stop disrupting every stinking conversation with their anti-Palin conspiracy theories.


100 posted on 08/31/2012 4:51:15 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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