Skip to comments.Doctors told to try and talk women giving birth out of having epidurals to save NHS money
Posted on 08/31/2012 6:03:33 AM PDT by C19fan
Family doctors are being told to try to talk women out of having Caesareans and very strong painkillers during birth to save the NHS money. New guidelines drawn up for GPs urge them to encourage women to have natural labours with as little medical help as possible. But for many women the prospect of giving birth without the painkillers is unthinkable. And critics have said the move has been made without any thought for the women themselves. The guidelines also remind doctors to tell women to consider having their babies outside hospital in midwife-run units or in their own homes.
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And an abortion would be much cheaper than the entire birth process. That will be next. “You are too poor to have a baby, or too old to have a baby. You should get an abortion.”
any family doctor who has not given birth should shove a watermelon where the sun don’t shine and push it out “naturally”
Then give advice on painkillers
For opening ceremony at olympics they should shown a woman about to give birth tied down to the bedposts with a rag in her mouth with a midwife just standing there. Celebrate that.
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I thought it was all about a woman’s right to choose.
Right on. But for the favored constituencies like people wanting abortions, sex change operations, treatment for ailments resulting from drug abuse or promiscuous lifestyles, nobody will be trying to talk them out of making choices that could save healthcare $.
Oh the irony. With my second child, I managed to find a rather famous midwife to the Amish community. As an RN working in a related area, I wanted a midwife, not a “deliver you on my schedule” doctor. Talk about being ostracized! Then I got pregnant in a Commonwealth country with socialized medicine. I was over 40 so I was “high risk.” In a city of 3 million people, I could only find 2 OBs. My option for care was pretty much only a midwife. They also didn’t do regular pap smears, breast exams, etc., and no doubt we’ll see lots of “studies” released now about how we don’t really need them.
Ha ha, my wife would have told them where to stick that needle. That epidural saved MY life when our son was being born.
Women in the 1800’s must have we through serious heck having a baby.
“My wife delicately pinched my lip between her thumb and forefinger, then pulled it up and completely over my head!”
Bill Cosby on natural child birth.
I am sure that the NHS also has “guidelines” for the treatment of high risk newborns ....neonatal intensive care is expensive you know... and many infants that would be in a NICU in the US and survive are likely simply allowed to die in the UK because treating them would be too expensive.
It's quite another for the government to force a woman to go natural whether she wants to or not.
My mother was one of the first of the Grantly Dick-Read 'natural childbirth' mothers in this country. She had to shop around to find an OB who would agree to let her deliver without drugs.
My OB for my first baby had been a very gung-ho natural childbirth advocate as a young doctor, but with experience he concluded that it had to be the mother's informed choice. We talked it over and decided to give it a try. Everything went swimmingly; it was a rapid, uneventful, and reasonably comfortable delivery. The bonus was that I strolled out of recovery on my own two feet, and was happily cruising around the next morning when the other ladies who had been in labor at the same time were nursing epidural headaches.
But I had a choice. And if somebody is pressured into delivering without drugs, and without the necessary Lamaze training, they will have a hideous and painful experience, because fear = tension = pain.
They did. And they frequently died.
A baby below a certain birthweight, or below a certain gestational age, or who dies within 48 hours, is not even counted as a "live birth".
THAT is why the U.S. child mortality statistics look so bad, compared with Britain and the rest of Europe. They do not count the high-risk newborns as births at all. Easy to look good if you cook the numbers.
Nothing has changed since I had my child at a London Hospital over 12 years ago. Back then they were pushing for woman to give birth at home with a mid wife. If there were any “problems” you could call an ambulance or drive to the hospital.
Of course, that depends on who gets the coathanger concession.
Complications such as post-partum infection ('childbed fever') were the real killers. And doctors who weren't real clear on the germ theory of disease and didn't practice rigorous sanitation were the No. 1 problem.
There's a great old popular medical book from the 20s by a doctor - can't recall his name at the moment. But he noted that the patients at the lying-in hospital in Jena in the 18th century had a mortality rate of one hundred percent.
My great-great-great grandfather was a prolific sort, he had 17 children by two wives. His first wife didn't die in childbirth - she died of typhoid fever.
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