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Earthquake 7.9 East of Philippines
Reuters Manila ^ | 8/31/2012 | Reuters

Posted on 08/31/2012 6:23:22 AM PDT by ASA Vet

MANILA (Reuters) - An earthquake of 7.9 magnitude struck off the Philippines on Friday and a tsunami warning had been issued for the region, ...

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I was chatting to a friend in Cabadbaran when the quake struck.. She went off line for a few minutes.. Came back on to report the quake.. Asked if she was okay. She said "no, talk to you later"
1 posted on 08/31/2012 6:23:25 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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2 posted on 08/31/2012 6:24:54 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: ASA Vet

TSUNAMI BULLETIN NUMBER 001
PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER/NOAA/NWS
ISSUED AT 1255Z 31 AUG 2012

THIS BULLETIN APPLIES TO AREAS WITHIN AND BORDERING THE PACIFIC
OCEAN AND ADJACENT SEAS...EXCEPT ALASKA...BRITISH COLUMBIA...
WASHINGTON...OREGON AND CALIFORNIA.

... A TSUNAMI WARNING AND WATCH ARE IN EFFECT ...

A TSUNAMI WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR

INDONESIA / PHILIPPINES / BELAU / YAP / TAIWAN / JAPAN / GUAM /
N. MARIANAS / PAPUA NEW GUINEA

A TSUNAMI WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR

CHUUK / MARCUS IS. / KOSRAE / POHNPEI / MARSHALL IS. /
WAKE IS. / SOLOMON IS. / RUSSIA / NAURU

FOR ALL OTHER AREAS COVERED BY THIS BULLETIN... IT IS FOR
INFORMATION ONLY AT THIS TIME.

THIS BULLETIN IS ISSUED AS ADVICE TO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. ONLY
NATIONAL AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE
DECISIONS REGARDING THE OFFICIAL STATE OF ALERT IN THEIR AREA AND
ANY ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN IN RESPONSE.

AN EARTHQUAKE HAS OCCURRED WITH THESE PRELIMINARY PARAMETERS

ORIGIN TIME - 1248Z 31 AUG 2012
COORDINATES - 10.9 NORTH 127.1 EAST
DEPTH - 33 KM
LOCATION - PHILIPPINE ISLANDS REGION
MAGNITUDE - 7.9

EVALUATION

IT IS NOT KNOWN THAT A TSUNAMI WAS GENERATED. THIS WARNING IS
BASED ONLY ON THE EARTHQUAKE EVALUATION. AN EARTHQUAKE OF THIS
SIZE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO GENERATE A DESTRUCTIVE TSUNAMI THAT CAN
STRIKE COASTLINES NEAR THE EPICENTER WITHIN MINUTES AND MORE
DISTANT COASTLINES WITHIN HOURS. AUTHORITIES SHOULD TAKE
APPROPRIATE ACTION IN RESPONSE TO THIS POSSIBILITY. THIS CENTER
WILL MONITOR SEA LEVEL DATA FROM GAUGES NEAR THE EARTHQUAKE TO
DETERMINE IF A TSUNAMI WAS GENERATED AND ESTIMATE THE SEVERITY OF
THE THREAT.

ESTIMATED INITIAL TSUNAMI WAVE ARRIVAL TIMES AT FORECAST POINTS
WITHIN THE WARNING AND WATCH AREAS ARE GIVEN BELOW. ACTUAL
ARRIVAL TIMES MAY DIFFER AND THE INITIAL WAVE MAY NOT BE THE
LARGEST. A TSUNAMI IS A SERIES OF WAVES AND THE TIME BETWEEN
SUCCESSIVE WAVES CAN BE FIVE MINUTES TO ONE HOUR.

LOCATION FORECAST POINT COORDINATES ARRIVAL TIME
———————————————— —————— ——————
INDONESIA GEME 4.6N 126.8E 1335Z 31 AUG
BEREBERE 2.5N 128.7E 1353Z 31 AUG
PATANI 0.4N 128.8E 1419Z 31 AUG
SORONG 0.8S 131.1E 1438Z 31 AUG
MANOKWARI 0.8S 134.2E 1447Z 31 AUG
WARSA 0.6S 135.8E 1450Z 31 AUG
JAYAPURA 2.4S 140.8E 1538Z 31 AUG
PHILIPPINES LEGASPI 13.2N 123.8E 1338Z 31 AUG
DAVAO 6.8N 125.7E 1340Z 31 AUG
PALANAN 17.1N 122.6E 1353Z 31 AUG
BELAU MALAKAL 7.3N 134.5E 1407Z 31 AUG
YAP YAP_IS. 9.5N 138.1E 1417Z 31 AUG
TAIWAN TAITUNG 22.7N 121.2E 1441Z 31 AUG
HUALIEN 24.0N 121.7E 1446Z 31 AUG
HUALIEN 24.0N 121.6E 1446Z 31 AUG
CHILUNG 25.2N 121.8E 1524Z 31 AUG
JAPAN OKINAWA 26.2N 127.8E 1502Z 31 AUG
SHIMIZU 32.8N 133.0E 1605Z 31 AUG
KATSUURA 35.1N 140.3E 1646Z 31 AUG
KUSHIRO 42.9N 144.3E 1746Z 31 AUG
HACHINOHE 40.5N 141.5E 1753Z 31 AUG
GUAM GUAM 13.4N 144.7E 1517Z 31 AUG
N. MARIANAS SAIPAN 15.3N 145.8E 1533Z 31 AUG
PAPUA NEW GUINE VANIMO 2.6S 141.3E 1539Z 31 AUG
WEWAK 3.5S 143.6E 1611Z 31 AUG
MANUS_IS. 2.0S 147.5E 1637Z 31 AUG
MADANG 5.2S 145.8E 1656Z 31 AUG
KAVIENG 2.5S 150.7E 1700Z 31 AUG
RABAUL 4.2S 152.3E 1734Z 31 AUG
KIETA 6.1S 155.6E 1753Z 31 AUG
AMUN 6.0S 154.7E 1806Z 31 AUG
LAE 6.8S 147.0E 1810Z 31 AUG
CHUUK CHUUK_IS. 7.4N 151.8E 1646Z 31 AUG
MARCUS IS. MARCUS_IS. 24.3N 154.0E 1649Z 31 AUG
KOSRAE KOSRAE_IS. 5.5N 163.0E 1740Z 31 AUG
POHNPEI POHNPEI_IS. 7.0N 158.2E 1744Z 31 AUG
MARSHALL IS. ENIWETOK 11.4N 162.3E 1756Z 31 AUG
KWAJALEIN 8.7N 167.7E 1811Z 31 AUG
MAJURO 7.1N 171.4E 1843Z 31 AUG
WAKE IS. WAKE_IS. 19.3N 166.6E 1757Z 31 AUG
SOLOMON IS. FALAMAE 7.4S 155.6E 1804Z 31 AUG
PANGGOE 6.9S 157.2E 1809Z 31 AUG
GHATERE 7.8S 159.2E 1837Z 31 AUG
MUNDA 8.4S 157.2E 1854Z 31 AUG
RUSSIA URUP_IS 46.1N 150.5E 1824Z 31 AUG
NAURU NAURU 0.5S 166.9E 1843Z 31 AUG

BULLETINS WILL BE ISSUED HOURLY OR SOONER IF CONDITIONS WARRANT.
THE TSUNAMI WARNING AND WATCH WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT UNTIL
FURTHER NOTICE.

THE JAPAN METEOROLOGICAL AGENCY MAY ALSO ISSUE TSUNAMI MESSAGES
FOR THIS EVENT TO COUNTRIES IN THE NORTHWEST PACIFIC AND SOUTH
CHINA SEA REGION. IN CASE OF CONFLICTING INFORMATION... THE
MORE CONSERVATIVE INFORMATION SHOULD BE USED FOR SAFETY.

THE WEST COAST/ALASKA TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER WILL ISSUE PRODUCTS
FOR ALASKA...BRITISH COLUMBIA...WASHINGTON...OREGON...CALIFORNIA.
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3 posted on 08/31/2012 6:27:10 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: txhurl

bump


4 posted on 08/31/2012 6:29:36 AM PDT by exnavy (The time is upon us, fish or cut bait, may God guide your heart.)
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To: ASA Vet
Wow, that's a big one.
Hold on tight folks, more to come.
Does it seem to you folks in the last few days of the earthquakes around the world, it's like a spinning top or gyroscope with rhythmic gyrations in sequence ?
California, then El Salvador, then Japan, Indonesia, now Philippines ?
5 posted on 08/31/2012 6:30:50 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: exnavy

Kinda odd language there so a bit alarming.


6 posted on 08/31/2012 6:30:59 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: txhurl

Yes, this is one to watch.


7 posted on 08/31/2012 6:32:33 AM PDT by exnavy (The time is upon us, fish or cut bait, may God guide your heart.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

I’m quite worried. Her town is right on the ocean and is low.


8 posted on 08/31/2012 6:32:48 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: American Constitutionalist

You mean the Ring of Fire?


9 posted on 08/31/2012 6:32:54 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: ASA Vet

Tsunami headed for Hawaii as the DNC kicks off.


10 posted on 08/31/2012 6:34:38 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: ASA Vet

Prayers for her. She is probably at high ground by now.


11 posted on 08/31/2012 6:34:40 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: ASA Vet

She probably knows to get out and head higher asap. Prayers in the meantime.


12 posted on 08/31/2012 6:36:09 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: ASA Vet

Full moon tonight; gravitational pull of the sun and moon is maximized which affects tides but also stresses land masses.


13 posted on 08/31/2012 6:38:57 AM PDT by CedarDave (Palin/Ryan -- both should have been at the top of the ticket and not play second fiddle to GOPe)
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To: Andrei Bulba

I don’t know how far higher ground is. She has no car. It’s 9ish PM there.


14 posted on 08/31/2012 6:39:36 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: ASA Vet

In before the conspiracy theorists


15 posted on 08/31/2012 6:39:39 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Andrei Bulba

Not much news coming from the area, which means a lot of ‘do’ing is happening, no time for talking.


16 posted on 08/31/2012 6:40:24 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: ASA Vet
I'm living in Cebu a southern Island in the Phillipines and it was pretty strong here, lasted a good 30 seconds...
17 posted on 08/31/2012 6:41:02 AM PDT by Doofer (Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: Doofer

I live I mean...


18 posted on 08/31/2012 6:42:22 AM PDT by Doofer (Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: ASA Vet
If a tsunami was generated it should start hitting about now..haven't heard any reports of that so hopefully they are OK
19 posted on 08/31/2012 6:43:56 AM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: Doofer

Are you in Cebu city? or on high ground inland?


20 posted on 08/31/2012 6:44:33 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: ASA Vet

Manila is on the west side of Luzon Island, not saying that a tsunami can’t happen there.


21 posted on 08/31/2012 6:45:05 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: ASA Vet

She’s probably en route to the highest building, hotel, bank, etc with a neighbor. She demonstrated she understood the seriousness of the situation.


22 posted on 08/31/2012 6:45:34 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: txhurl

You mean, a very active ring of fire as of late.


23 posted on 08/31/2012 6:46:08 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Doofer
Have you heard any reports from Leythe? Samar?
24 posted on 08/31/2012 6:46:34 AM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: txhurl

The highest building I remember seeing there was a hotel. Only two stories.


25 posted on 08/31/2012 6:47:32 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: nhwingut

How dare the Democrats have their party when people are suffering.


26 posted on 08/31/2012 6:47:36 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: ASA Vet
About 2 kilometers from the ocean on flat land but I'm fine...
27 posted on 08/31/2012 6:50:14 AM PDT by Doofer (Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: ASA Vet
There is a private school near her house which is a solid structure and two stories. Hopefully she heads there.
her house is right on the river a km from the ocean.
28 posted on 08/31/2012 6:50:14 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: CedarDave

>Full moon tonight

I don’t think the amount of sun hitting the moon changes its mass enough to make any difference in its gravitational pull.


29 posted on 08/31/2012 6:50:18 AM PDT by soycd
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To: txhurl

000
WEPA40 PHEB 311329
TSUPAC

TSUNAMI BULLETIN NUMBER 002
PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER/NOAA/NWS
ISSUED AT 1329Z 31 AUG 2012

THIS BULLETIN APPLIES TO AREAS WITHIN AND BORDERING THE PACIFIC
OCEAN AND ADJACENT SEAS...EXCEPT ALASKA...BRITISH COLUMBIA...
WASHINGTON...OREGON AND CALIFORNIA.

THE EARTHQUAKE MAGNITUDE AND AREAS OF WARNING ARE NOW REDUCED.

... A TSUNAMI WARNING IS IN EFFECT ...

A TSUNAMI WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR

INDONESIA / PHILIPPINES / BELAU

FOR ALL OTHER AREAS COVERED BY THIS BULLETIN... IT IS FOR
INFORMATION ONLY AT THIS TIME.

THIS BULLETIN IS ISSUED AS ADVICE TO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. ONLY
NATIONAL AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE
DECISIONS REGARDING THE OFFICIAL STATE OF ALERT IN THEIR AREA AND
ANY ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN IN RESPONSE.

AN EARTHQUAKE HAS OCCURRED WITH THESE PRELIMINARY PARAMETERS

ORIGIN TIME - 1248Z 31 AUG 2012
COORDINATES - 10.9 NORTH 127.1 EAST
DEPTH - 33 KM
LOCATION - PHILIPPINE ISLANDS REGION
MAGNITUDE - 7.6

EVALUATION

IT IS NOT KNOWN THAT A TSUNAMI WAS GENERATED. THIS WARNING IS
BASED ONLY ON THE EARTHQUAKE EVALUATION. AN EARTHQUAKE OF THIS
SIZE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO GENERATE A DESTRUCTIVE TSUNAMI THAT CAN
STRIKE COASTLINES IN THE REGION NEAR THE EPICENTER WITHIN MINUTES
TO HOURS. AUTHORITIES IN THE REGION SHOULD TAKE APPROPRIATE
ACTION IN RESPONSE TO THIS POSSIBILITY. THIS CENTER WILL MONITOR
SEA LEVEL GAUGES NEAREST THE REGION AND REPORT IF ANY TSUNAMI
WAVE ACTIVITY IS OBSERVED. THE WARNING WILL NOT EXPAND TO OTHER
AREAS OF THE PACIFIC UNLESS ADDITIONAL DATA ARE RECEIVED TO
WARRANT SUCH AN EXPANSION.

ESTIMATED INITIAL TSUNAMI WAVE ARRIVAL TIMES AT FORECAST POINTS
WITHIN THE WARNING AND WATCH AREAS ARE GIVEN BELOW. ACTUAL
ARRIVAL TIMES MAY DIFFER AND THE INITIAL WAVE MAY NOT BE THE
LARGEST. A TSUNAMI IS A SERIES OF WAVES AND THE TIME BETWEEN
SUCCESSIVE WAVES CAN BE FIVE MINUTES TO ONE HOUR.

LOCATION FORECAST POINT COORDINATES ARRIVAL TIME
———————————————— —————— ——————
INDONESIA GEME 4.6N 126.8E 1335Z 31 AUG
BEREBERE 2.5N 128.7E 1353Z 31 AUG
PATANI 0.4N 128.8E 1419Z 31 AUG
PHILIPPINES LEGASPI 13.2N 123.8E 1338Z 31 AUG
DAVAO 6.8N 125.7E 1340Z 31 AUG
PALANAN 17.1N 122.6E 1353Z 31 AUG
BELAU MALAKAL 7.3N 134.5E 1407Z 31 AUG

BULLETINS WILL BE ISSUED HOURLY OR SOONER IF CONDITIONS WARRANT.
THE TSUNAMI WARNING WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.

THE JAPAN METEOROLOGICAL AGENCY MAY ALSO ISSUE TSUNAMI MESSAGES
FOR THIS EVENT TO COUNTRIES IN THE NORTHWEST PACIFIC AND SOUTH
CHINA SEA REGION. IN CASE OF CONFLICTING INFORMATION... THE
MORE CONSERVATIVE INFORMATION SHOULD BE USED FOR SAFETY.

THE WEST COAST/ALASKA TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER WILL ISSUE PRODUCTS
FOR ALASKA...BRITISH COLUMBIA...WASHINGTON...OREGON...CALIFORNIA.

http://ptwc.weather.gov/ptwc/?region=1&id=pacific.TSUPAC.2012.08.31.1329


30 posted on 08/31/2012 6:50:50 AM PDT by CedarDave (Palin/Ryan -- both should have been at the top of the ticket and not play second fiddle to GOPe)
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To: montanajoe

Haven’t heard a thing but this is a 3rd world country and you won’t hear anything until it’s over...


31 posted on 08/31/2012 6:51:44 AM PDT by Doofer (Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: ASA Vet

Well, that’s 20+ feet. Good place to go.


32 posted on 08/31/2012 6:52:44 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: soycd
Moon Tides - How The Moon Affects Ocean Tides...
33 posted on 08/31/2012 6:53:56 AM PDT by CedarDave (Palin/Ryan -- both should have been at the top of the ticket and not play second fiddle to GOPe)
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To: ASA Vet

Hopefully she’ll be safe. Let us know if you hear from her.


34 posted on 08/31/2012 6:54:19 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: txhurl

Hopefully she thinks of that. She’s only 18 so isn’t seasoned in emergencies. Hopefully her older brother was home and can get her and their little sister to safety.


35 posted on 08/31/2012 6:56:00 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: snarkytart

Will do.


36 posted on 08/31/2012 6:57:01 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Doofer
The wife texts her relatives constantly they have a coconut farm very close to Palo and nothing coming out of there..
37 posted on 08/31/2012 6:57:13 AM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: montanajoe

You are on line and posting, so that is good. Are you in the affected region? At any rate, prayers are up for the safety of all those in the region with a special request to keep the seas calm please.


38 posted on 08/31/2012 6:58:36 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: CedarDave

7.6 - That is still scary but a lot less than 7.9.


39 posted on 08/31/2012 7:02:13 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: American Constitutionalist

Tracks precisely with Dr. Walt Brown’s hydroplate theory of the Flood.


40 posted on 08/31/2012 7:02:26 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
I'm in the US right now the Cel tower or the power seems to be out in Palo we cant contact anybody.

BTW I was just getting on line to get my morning fix of your WW2 plus 70 series I'm sure they need all of our prayers and they will be very much appreciated.

41 posted on 08/31/2012 7:04:43 AM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: nhwingut
Tsunami headed for Hawaii as the DNC kicks off.

Tsunami watch/warning for Hawaii canceled.

7.6 really isn't big enough to generate a long-range tsunami.

42 posted on 08/31/2012 7:07:17 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Doofer

Get to high ground, for the earthquake hit in the Visayas region, that includes Leyte, Cebu.


43 posted on 08/31/2012 7:10:37 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: ASA Vet

Here’s an initial AP report:
MANILA, Philippines (AP) - A 7.6-magnitude undersea quake struck off the eastern coast of the Philippines late Friday, triggering tsunami warnings across the region. At least one house collapsed and power was knocked out in several Philippine cities, local radio reported.
http://www.wtop.com/220/2454323/76-quake-off-Philippines-triggers-tsunami-alert


44 posted on 08/31/2012 7:13:22 AM PDT by Gorilla44
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To: soycd

“I don’t think the amount of sun hitting the moon changes its mass enough to make any difference in its gravitational pull.”

It’s not sunlight. It’s the moon being in-line with the sun which makes full and new moon high tides higher.


45 posted on 08/31/2012 7:16:54 AM PDT by Justa
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To: montanajoe
One of the greatest and largest Naval Battles ever including WWII was fought there not to far from where that earthquake struck.

The Battle of Leyte Gulf and the Battle of Samar.
46 posted on 08/31/2012 7:17:37 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: CedarDave
Full moon tonight; gravitational pull of the sun and moon is maximized which affects tides but also stresses land masses.

The problem is the 27 out of 28 times that a large quake happens on a date other than a full moon, nobody says "hey, this didn't happen on a full moon."

The idea that there's something special about a full rather than a new moon is rather silly, though there's no evidence that the moon phase has anything to do with the dates of large earthquakes (there are some DAILY tidal influences on small quakes.)

Of course this is all based on Berkeland's worthless vague predictions which exert a hypnotic spell over idiots.

47 posted on 08/31/2012 7:18:42 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: American Constitutionalist
Yeah I've walked through that hallowed ground many times. The US “only” lost about 14,000 the Japanese 50-100k. The Japanese bunkers are still there, the natives think the area is haunted and usually wont go with me..
48 posted on 08/31/2012 7:22:58 AM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: ASA Vet

Watch cancelled for Hawaii.

NWS PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER EWA BEACH HI
331 AM HST FRI AUG 31 2012

TO - CIVIL DEFENSE IN THE STATE OF HAWAII

SUBJECT - TSUNAMI WATCH CANCELLATION


49 posted on 08/31/2012 7:23:51 AM PDT by Gorilla44
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To: Gorilla44
That good news I was thinking if there was a tsunami near Palo it all ready would have hit..so just have to wait to see what the damage is but from the intensity maps its doesn't look to bad..
50 posted on 08/31/2012 7:32:33 AM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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