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Paul Ryan’s comment that ‘our rights come from God and nature’ is offensive
The Right Scoop ^ | August 30, 2012 | The Right Scoop

Posted on 08/31/2012 11:54:36 AM PDT by kiryandil

The stunning portion of this isn’t that Touré believes Ryan’s remark that ‘our rights come from God and nature’ is offensive, but why he believes it’s offensive:

(video at link)

Touré: "[Paul Ryan] loves this line of ‘our rights come from God and nature’, which is so offensive to so much of America. Because for black people, hispanic people and women, our rights do not come from God or nature. They were not recognized by the natural order of America. They come from the government and from legislation that happens in relatively recent history in America. So that line just bothers me to my core."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: msnbc; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; rights; ryan; toure; toureneblett
So, the over-privileged Red Diaper baby Touré "Tourette's Nebbish" Neblett doesn't seem to understand where Natural Rights come from.

Guess they didn't cover that stuff in his Marxism classes at Milton Academy, Emory University & Columbia Unversity...

1 posted on 08/31/2012 11:54:46 AM PDT by kiryandil
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To: kiryandil

nope..they didnt cover that in marxist school at all.


2 posted on 08/31/2012 11:57:25 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: kiryandil

Toure shows the classic sign of a deep-seated racist, seeing racism where there is none.


3 posted on 08/31/2012 11:58:07 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: kiryandil

They were not recognized by the natural order of America
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Is this guy TRYING to be stupid? WTF does “natural order of America” have to do with rights?


4 posted on 08/31/2012 12:00:39 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: kiryandil

Choke on it, Turd—or Toure or whatever your name is.


5 posted on 08/31/2012 12:01:24 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: kiryandil

Who is this jerk?

If your rights come from the government, the government can take them away. If they come from God, only God can take them away.

This is what America and the Declaration of Independence is based on.

A historical moron and political fool. Romney should incorporate this clown’s comments in his campaign literature!


6 posted on 08/31/2012 12:05:04 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: kiryandil

If Touré thinks that thus statement from Paul Ryan is offensive, then he thinks that the Declaration of Independence (which says the same thing) is offensive!!!!

What’s REALLY offensive is Touré’ vile name, which his parents (or his mother, anyway) gave him at birth! He’s named after an African muslim Marxist DICTATOR!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Sékou_Touré;

Now our poor America has an African muslim Marxist dictator! Time to flush both obama and Touré down the toilet!!!!


7 posted on 08/31/2012 12:05:18 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb

IO listened to the tape and figured out the problem.

He objects to the “God” part because he is a pansy.


8 posted on 08/31/2012 12:08:34 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: kiryandil; All

The scary thing is that we have PhonyCons that agree with such rubbish from the MSNBC crowd. Look at the treatment of the Christian Conservatives in recent weeks....even GW Bush main wonker wanted to kill a pro-life House member

Ryan’s comment was spot on....just wonder when the PhonyCons start joining in with the Liberals in criticizing him


9 posted on 08/31/2012 12:21:28 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (When is Fox News gonna fire Karl Rove?)
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To: kiryandil

Which came first? People or the government? So, then, who should be in charge of the other.


10 posted on 08/31/2012 12:23:53 PM PDT by Ecliptic (.)
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To: kiryandil

Touré your very existance is offensive.


11 posted on 08/31/2012 12:24:17 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: mamelukesabre

Yes, he is. Because you have to try to be so stupid as to say something like this.


12 posted on 08/31/2012 12:27:38 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: mamelukesabre

He’s certainly got the cause and effect inverted.

The reason that blacks REGAINED their rights was because of Christian values that recognized the inherent rights of them as “God’s image bearing” humans that deserved their God-given rights.

Of course, if you think we all evolved from some ape, and some “races” are more evolved than others,

you have no such basis for inherent rights.

And I believe that, as an atheist marxist, that’s where he’s coming from.


13 posted on 08/31/2012 12:32:26 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: kiryandil

To be fair they call it “the civil rights movement, “ and civil rights do derive from government. His nonsense comes from trying to depict the mistake of alienating various groups from theo God-given rights as the work of the non-existent “natural American order” instead of the government he’s so fond of.

But what does it matter? This is just another America was racist/ sexist/ homophobic/whatever until yesterday when people like Touted took over screed.


14 posted on 08/31/2012 12:32:46 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: darkangel82

Our rights come from God. The only thing government can do is take our rights away from us. The Bill of Rights protects us from gov intrusion. They begin “Congress shall pass no law prohibiting...”


15 posted on 08/31/2012 12:37:33 PM PDT by RightLady (Take out the trash Nov 6th)
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To: SeminoleCounty
even GW Bush main wonker wanted to kill a pro-life House member

If you're referring to Rove, he didn't say that at all. sheesh.

16 posted on 08/31/2012 12:37:40 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: kiryandil

If government gave those rights, government can take them away. Our constitution specifies rights which neither government nor any other entity on earth can take away.


17 posted on 08/31/2012 12:40:33 PM PDT by CMAC51
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To: kiryandil

Americans believe in God and hell, UFOs, astrology

AFP
Wednesday, December 5, 2007

WASHINGTON: An overwhelming majority of Americans believe in God and signicant numbers also think that UFOs, the devil and ghosts exist, a poll showed.

The survey by Harris Online yesterday showed that 82 per cent of adult Americans believe in God and a slightly smaller percentage — 79 per cent — believe in miracles.

More than 70 per cent of the 2,455 adults surveyed between November 7 and 13 said they believe in heaven and angels, while more than six in 10 said they believed in hell and the devil.

Almost equal numbers said they believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution (42 per cent) — the belief that populations evolve over time through natural selection - and creationism (39 per cent) — the theory that God created mankind.

Seventy per cent of Americans said they were very (21 per cent) or somewhat (49 per cent) religious, while around one-third of those polled also said they believe in UFOs, witches and astrology.

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_americans-believe-in-god-and-hell-ufos-astrology_1137343


18 posted on 08/31/2012 12:41:14 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: FoxInSocks
If you're referring to Rove, he didn't say that at all. sheesh.

You were there?

19 posted on 08/31/2012 12:41:41 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Have you donated to the 'resurrection of Akin' yet?)
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To: kiryandil

He was more interesting when he had dreads to his waste and wasn’t pretending to be a real person.


20 posted on 08/31/2012 12:44:07 PM PDT by Deb (If you wanna laugh everyday, follow Deepak Chopra on Twitter)
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To: kiryandil
Touré, I will pray that when you meet your maker, the Lord your G-d, that he will have mercy on you.

5.56mm

21 posted on 08/31/2012 12:44:27 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: kiryandil
They were not recognized by the natural order of America. They come from the government and from legislation that happens in relatively recent history in America.

Nope; government and others stole those rights, and later government returned them.

If someone steals my car, that I bought, and later returned it, do I owe them thanks for returning it, all the while ignoring the fact that they stole it?

22 posted on 08/31/2012 12:45:50 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: Just mythoughts

No, but I can read.

I suppose the quote of Rove wanting to kill someone was somehow deemed not newsworthy and was not printed.


23 posted on 08/31/2012 12:49:23 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: kiryandil
That is the new talking point that they use to counter "God-given rights". It is their way of arguing that "rights" actually are granted by government.

They are as clever as they are wrong.

24 posted on 08/31/2012 12:51:57 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: FoxInSocks
No, but I can read. I suppose the quote of Rove wanting to kill someone was somehow deemed not newsworthy and was not printed.

Ah, somebody did indeed find it 'newsworthy and it was printed', how do you think it is even a topic of conversation? I have yet to see any denial by Rove. Have you?

25 posted on 08/31/2012 12:56:33 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Have you donated to the 'resurrection of Akin' yet?)
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To: kiryandil

Oh my gosh. So, he believes that they got rights only because they were *given* them by government. So he believes that until that point it was OK that some people were slaves, because it was the law because the government said so? Seriously, that is the logical consequence of what he is saying. Black Americans should be very very afraid of people like this.


26 posted on 08/31/2012 12:57:43 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: kiryandil
They were not recognized by the natural order of America.

What a moron. Sometimes you just have to forget all about PC-ness and tell it the way it is, or ask it the way it is.

So, Toure', what sort of rights do blacks and Hispanics have in nations where they are in the majority? Maybe give us a rundown on that, starting 200+ years ago and coming forward. What sort of "natural order" has and does exist in those places?

And, sorry, but had it not been for slavery, the US African-American population would not exist. They'd be mostly struggling to survive in some of the dollar-a-day economies of west Africa.

27 posted on 08/31/2012 1:00:07 PM PDT by Will88
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To: kiryandil
This proves they know nothing of America or its founding and just because he thinks this... matters not. He is an idiot with NO LEGAL STANDING!

LLS

28 posted on 08/31/2012 1:01:55 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: mamelukesabre
They were not recognized by the natural order of America ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Is this guy TRYING to be stupid? WTF does “natural order of America” have to do with rights?

What do those words even mean?

Is he trying to elevate rules created by man above natural law?

Sounds like he's throwing together a jumble of words that appeal to him.

29 posted on 08/31/2012 1:07:27 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Just mythoughts
how do you think it is even a topic of conversation?

It's a topic of this conversation because I believe you're attributing something to someone that wasn't said. It's akin to twisting words; a common enough tactic for the media, but I don't see it used by posters here very often.

Perhaps we're referring to different quotes. I did a Google search and found this quote (maybe your original source, LiberalRoundup): "We should sink Todd Akin. If he’s found mysteriously murdered, don’t look for my whereabouts!” To be fair, they do characterize the statement as an "off-color joke."

30 posted on 08/31/2012 1:14:15 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: kiryandil
If rights do not come from God, but rather come from government.
Than they are not "RIGHTS" they are only permissions.

31 posted on 08/31/2012 1:42:04 PM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: kiryandil

Toure’ if your rights come from the Government then the Government can take them away. They may have been acknowledged by your government into law only because they pre-existed the government.

Now this is why they have a problem with Natural Law - it is not a promoter of Gay Rights and Gay Marriage. God’s Law and Natural Law prohibit Gay Marriage.

Mel


32 posted on 08/31/2012 2:06:51 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: kiryandil
"Because for black people, hispanic people and women, our rights do not come from God or nature. They were not recognized by the natural order of America. They come from the government and from legislation that happens in relatively recent history in America."

Passed by which party class?

The Kenyan must go.

33 posted on 08/31/2012 3:13:04 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: kiryandil

I can imagine a nitwit like Toure having a personal conversation with that great constitutional scholar Obama. Toure would make a snide remark about conservatives believing your constitutional rights come from God and nature, and Obama having to tell him that the conservatives are correct. That would be delicious. Of course, Obama could always lie, but I doubt he’d lie to Toure.


34 posted on 08/31/2012 5:25:15 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: FoxInSocks
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MISSOURI_SENATE_AKIN_ROVE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Rove apologized!!!!!! I twisted nothing, I attributed nothing, I have no connection to or with the media.... I do not know ‘LiberalRoundup’.

35 posted on 08/31/2012 7:47:13 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: Just mythoughts
Who's talking about an apology? It's no wonder Rove apologized; he said something tasteless.

However, you and I have not been discussing Rove's decorum. You wrote that Rove "wanted to kill a pro-life House member." That is NOT what he said.

I will write the quote again, so it's fresh in your memory: "We should sink Todd Akin. If he’s found mysteriously murdered, don’t look for my whereabouts!"

I erroneously credited LiberalRoundup earlier after an admittedly brief Google search. They apparently had copied an article originally posted at ThinkProgress entitled, Karl Rove Jokes That He Wants To Kill Todd Akin. That title reflects exactly what you said.

Maybe you have access to a secret "smoking gun" audiotape with a more damning quote in which Rove expresses his desire to kill Akin. If so, please transcribe it, print it here, and enlighten everyone.

36 posted on 08/31/2012 8:41:08 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: FoxInSocks
Who's talking about an apology? It's no wonder Rove apologized; he said something tasteless. However, you and I have not been discussing Rove's decorum. You wrote that Rove "wanted to kill a pro-life House member." That is NOT what he said. I will write the quote again, so it's fresh in your memory: "We should sink Todd Akin. If he’s found mysteriously murdered, don’t look for my whereabouts!" I erroneously credited LiberalRoundup earlier after an admittedly brief Google search. They apparently had copied an article originally posted at ThinkProgress entitled, Karl Rove Jokes That He Wants To Kill Todd Akin. That title reflects exactly what you said. Maybe you have access to a secret "smoking gun" audiotape with a more damning quote in which Rove expresses his desire to kill Akin. If so, please transcribe it, print it here, and enlighten everyone.

To: FoxInSocks below in reverse order are the only comments I have made... to you... not one time did I quote Rove or attribute words or meanings of words.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MISSOURI_SENATE_AKIN_ROVE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Rove apologized!!!!!! I twisted nothing, I attributed nothing, I have no connection to or with the media.... I do not know ‘LiberalRoundup’.

35 posted on Friday, August 31, 2012 9:47:13 PM by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)

Post Number 25: Ah, somebody did indeed find it 'newsworthy and it was printed', how do you think it is even a topic of conversation? I have yet to see any denial by Rove. Have you?

You were there?

19posted on Friday, August 31, 2012 2:41:41 PMby Just mythoughts(Have you donated to the 'resurrection of Akin' yet?)

37 posted on 08/31/2012 11:39:01 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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