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In CBS interview, Romney abandons the Party of Lincoln
RenewAmerica.com ^ | August 31, 2012 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 09/01/2012 7:45:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

Thanks to one of my Facebook friends, I was just today alerted to the interview Romney gave CBS news on 8/27/2012. The video is here. In the interview, Romney says, "My position has been clear throughout this campaign. I'm in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest and the health and life of the mother."

The health of the mother exception is universally recognized by authentic pro-lifers as a loophole you can drive Roe v. Wade through. Then Romney makes the following statement, clearly putting an end to any notion that he is pro-life in any meaningful sense of the term:

"But recognize, this is the decision that will be made by the Supreme Court. The Democrats try and make this a political issue every four years, but this is a matter in the courts; it's been settled for some time in the courts...."

Translation: Pro-life is whatever the Supreme Court says it is. Romney's statement proves that with his nomination, the Republican Party effectively ceases to be the Party of Lincoln. Lincoln recognized that where a fundamental issue of unalienable rights is involved, no Supreme Court decision that fails to respect the principles of America's Declaration of Independence "settles the issue." By contrast, what we hear in Romney's interview is the slavish surrender of unchecked, unconstitutional, just plain tyrannical power to the federal courts. Did the Dred Scott decision in 1857 settle the issue of slavery? Not for Lincoln. No more can the present U.S. Supreme Court's pro-abortion jurisprudence settle the issue of abortion for us. In keeping with the Lincolnian heritage, the pro-life movement has been rooted in the Declaration's avowal of the Creator-endowed, equal, unalienable right to life. That's one of the things that made the Party of Lincoln its natural home.

But with Romney as its standard bearer, the GOP no longer upholds that avowal. To be sure, the GOP platform still makes cynical use of language drawn from America's Declaration heritage. But with his words, Romney rejects Lincoln's Declaration statesmanship; his articulation of the just cause of the Civil War; and his affirmation that the American people should never allow the Union to be dissolved on grounds that overthrow the indispensable principle of just self-government the Declaration articulates.

In this interview, Romney aims a death blow at the soul of the pro-life political cause. The timing of the interview was no accident. The evening before the vote that sealed his nomination as the GOP candidate for President, Romney makes a clear and emphatic statement nullifying the GOP's supposed platform commitment to the Declaration cause of the pro-life movement. So-called pro-life leaders and voters who back Romney cannot now deny that he stands openly within the political precincts of pro-abortion hell. As his supporters, they stand there with him. What we hear in Romney's CBS interview is the sound of the precincts' gates clanging shut behind them all. As I forewarned repeatedly: Romney's candidacy is a snare (Psalm 64:5), beware of falling into it.


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1 posted on 09/01/2012 7:45:19 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

I’m pro-life but I also don’t think a woman should be forced to carry a rapists child to term that was conceived at gunpoint. For most, that visit to the Emergency Room and the medication given will prevent the pregnancy in the earliest possible time frame.


2 posted on 09/01/2012 7:50:07 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: EternalVigilance
You will NEVER get elected, so you are no use to the pro life cause.
Romney, however, will sign any piece of legislation that we can get through Congress.
Romney will stop the abortion and contraception mandate in Obamacare.
Romney will uphold conscience clauses.
Romney will oppose taxpayer funding of abortion.
Romney will support the “Mexico City Policy”

No, he is not perfect, but “Do not let the perfect be the enemy of the good”

YOU WILL NOT GET ANYTHING ACCOMPLISHED running as a 3rd Party spoiler, other than giving us 4 more years of Obama.

3 posted on 09/01/2012 7:51:36 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Qwackertoo
I’m pro-life BUT.....

There is always a But

BUT whatever the crimes of the parents the child is always innocent.

4 posted on 09/01/2012 7:53:28 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Romney, why do you have to be on the ticket?!)
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To: Qwackertoo
Hmmm ~ we surface another individual who favors the killing of the innocent for the sake of ....... peace of mind?

Look, we understand your argument, but we also know that it's full of holes and was concocted for no other purpose than giving you a toehold on what might pass for civilized beliefs and behavior in some societies.

Sorry, you people are barbarians and your opinions aren't worth scat.

5 posted on 09/01/2012 7:54:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EternalVigilance

So? The choice is between a Communist and a non-Communist candidate.

No one who vows to overturn Roe v. Wade will ever make it to the presidency....unless Muslims take over our government. That is the way it is in these latter days.


6 posted on 09/01/2012 7:55:00 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Kansas58
YOU WILL NOT GET ANYTHING ACCOMPLISHED running as a 3rd Party spoiler

Just to clarify, EV is not a 3rd party candidate. He is a 10th or 20th party candidate.

7 posted on 09/01/2012 7:55:49 AM PDT by Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
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To: EternalVigilance

You’re just learning *now* that Romney supports abortion in some cases? Do you live under a rock or something? This is not news to the other 99.99% of us here.


8 posted on 09/01/2012 7:56:12 AM PDT by kevao (Is your ocean any lower than it was four years ago?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Is anyone surprised?


9 posted on 09/01/2012 7:56:37 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Kansas58
Romney won't lift a finger to stop abortion ~ he's already said he is for unrestricted abortion.

In Massachusetts he participated in setting up the machinery to have it paid for by taxpayers.

Romney told you a story that had you believe what your mind wanted to believe. He's just a salesman and he made his sale ~ to you, but not to those who can still put 2 and 2 together.

10 posted on 09/01/2012 7:57:37 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EternalVigilance

I didn’t realize Lincoln had an opinion on abortion.


11 posted on 09/01/2012 7:59:00 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: txrefugee

The moslems will simply cut off your heads for imagining you can get away with abortion, unless you are killing kaf’r babies, then that’s OK


12 posted on 09/01/2012 7:59:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EternalVigilance

So you’re voting for Obama?


13 posted on 09/01/2012 8:00:06 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: Qwackertoo
Like Mitt Romney, you've abandoned America's moral, political, and legal basis. In other words, you're a perfect fit for his new second socialist party.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."

14 posted on 09/01/2012 8:01:18 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Kansas58

The pro-lifers are wiling to put up with 4 more more years of abortion and euthanasia under Obama to gamble on 2016. That might be an ok argument for that one issue, but in the big picture it means sacrificing the economy as well.


15 posted on 09/01/2012 8:01:46 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: mazda77
So you’re voting for Obama?

No. I don't vote for pro-abortion socialists.

16 posted on 09/01/2012 8:02:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

A critical question needs to be asked of him: is abortion and its funding in federal or state authority?

The anti-abortion movement needs to be very clear that one of the important reasons Roe v. Wade was such an unmitigated disaster, was because the SCOTUS effectively “federalized” a state prerogative.

Since then, the anti-abortion movements biggest successes has been at the state level, gradually restoring abortion to state control, a win precisely because the vast majority of states are not pro-abortion.

However, the anti-abortion movements biggest losses are when the fight is at the federal level. Because then it can fall prey to whimsical justices and Democrat administrations.

Optimally, the very best result the anti-abortion movement can hope for is the SCOTUS to declare abortion and its funding to be out of the federal purview. In short order, the states would then generally limit it to just a handful of very blue states.

This would put the pro-abortion side at a severe disadvantage for several reasons, among which is that these very blue states are usually in deep financial crisis, so would be very stressed to subsidize abortion. And without subsidies, the price of abortion jumps.

Likewise, the anti-abortion movement could focus its money and energy on far fewer targets.


17 posted on 09/01/2012 8:03:23 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: txrefugee

Agreed. Haven’t we moved past tossing up these anti Romney threads?

I mean the primaries are over. We’ve got great conservatives in many races across the country and a rock solid conservative VP pick. Sure, I get it that Romney isn’t perfect. But this past week he looked damn competent and like he’s going to be able to engineer a victory over Obama in November.

It isn’t as if Romney is running against some conservative pro life democrat. He’s running against our first socialist President. A socialist President who is fighting us on all fronts by letting immigrants flows across the borders, blocking any attempts at voter ID, tossing out food stamps to millions more families, regulating American small business out of existence and overall bankrupting the country.

The primary battles are over. Time to storm the Normandy beaches. We’ve got a great team of people to do it. Strap up people!


18 posted on 09/01/2012 8:03:27 AM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: KC_Lion

I am pro life.

LLS


19 posted on 09/01/2012 8:05:03 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: EternalVigilance

So you’re voting for Obama.


20 posted on 09/01/2012 8:05:55 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: Qwackertoo

Then you are not pro-life. You support baby murder.


21 posted on 09/01/2012 8:06:18 AM PDT by impimp
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To: LibLieSlayer
No Buts?

BUT If the child has Down Syndrome....

BUT if the child is unwanted...

BUT if the child has any genetic flaws......

22 posted on 09/01/2012 8:07:12 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Romney, why do you have to be on the ticket?!)
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To: EternalVigilance
The pro-life activist who passed away a few days ago said it best: You're either for killing babies, or you're not for killing babies. You can't be a little bit for killing babies. Romney, I fear, is attempting to be a little bit for killing babies. I will reluctantly vote for him in November because the alternative is far, far worse, but my enthusiasm (and what little financial support I can afford to give candidates in Obama's economy) will go to strong conservative canditates in House and Senate races who can be relied upon to defund abortion, support other conservative principles, and torpedo any squish judicial nominees Etch-a-Sketch puts forward.

There may be a place for a third party someday if the GOP keeps nominating the type of squishes we've seen them offer up since Reagan, but not this time. Work on getting a Congress that will pass (and repeal) necessary legislation, and confine the executive to executing the laws so enacted.

23 posted on 09/01/2012 8:07:42 AM PDT by Spartan79 (I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health, and the liberties of man.)
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To: palmer
a nuclear bomb in the hands of terrorists will kill born and unborn alike.

Obama must go.

24 posted on 09/01/2012 8:07:57 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: mazda77
So you’re voting for Obama?

No, he's running himself.

25 posted on 09/01/2012 8:08:17 AM PDT by bcsco (Bourbon gets better with age...I age better with Bourbon.)
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To: muawiyah
Are you married? How old is your spouse
26 posted on 09/01/2012 8:09:53 AM PDT by reefdiver (zer0 One and Done)
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To: muawiyah
Romney is far better than Obama on this issue!
27 posted on 09/01/2012 8:10:59 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

I have a bridge I’d like to sell you. Cheap. Interested?


28 posted on 09/01/2012 8:11:05 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: autumnraine
I didn’t realize Lincoln had an opinion on abortion.

Killing little boys and girls by cruel and unusual means was beyond the pale in his day.

But Lincoln had very firm opinions on the principles of moral right that form the basis for this free republic.

"I have never had a feeling politically that did not spring from the sentiments embodied in the Declaration of Independence."

"Now, my countrymen, if you have been taught doctrines that conflict with the great landmarks of the Declaration of Independence; if you have listened to suggestions which would take away from its grandeur and mutilate the fair symmetry of its proportions; if you have been inclined to believe that all men are not created equal in those inalienable rights enumerated in our charter of liberty, let me entreat you to come back. Return to the fountain whose waters spring close by the blood of the revolution. Think nothing of me — take no thought for the political fate of any man whomsoever — but come back to the truths that are in the Declaration of Independence. You may do anything with me you choose, if you will but heed these sacred principles."


29 posted on 09/01/2012 8:11:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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VERY UPSET SINCE HIS MOMMY DIED IN 2007
AND BECAUSE THE MARINES BOOTED HIM OUT
SO HE MURDERS TWO YOUNG WHITE EMPLOYEES





"If I had a son he would look like....."

- Barack Hussein Obama Junior



30 posted on 09/01/2012 8:11:55 AM PDT by devolve (------------------- --- THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY --------- ------------- -----)
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To: P-Marlowe
so you support Obama?
31 posted on 09/01/2012 8:12:19 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: EternalVigilance
"My position has been clear throughout this campaign. I'm in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest and the health and life of the mother."

If Romney can pull us back from abortion anytime for any reason to only those exceptions, then I will rejoice.

That's not the perfect position and understandably won't satisfy the purist in the pro-life movement.

But, if he could get us at least back to that former standard, it would be an enormous improvement and I would welcome it as a battle won in the much larger war.

Retaking lost ground is worth celebrating and I will celebrate it should that happen.

32 posted on 09/01/2012 8:12:35 AM PDT by GBA
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To: EternalVigilance

EternalVigilance, don’t you think you should include a disclaimer stating your vested interest in tearing down the Romney-Ryan ticket?


33 posted on 09/01/2012 8:13:30 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (EternalVestedinterest.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Your post is inacurate that quote was from 1994!!

Legality of abortion

In a 1994 debate with Senator Ted Kennedy, Romney said: “One of the great things about our nation ... is that we’re each entitled to have strong personal beliefs, and we encourage other people to do the same. But as a nation, we recognize the right of all people to believe as they want and not to impose our beliefs on other people. I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law, and the right of a woman to make that choice, and my personal beliefs, like the personal beliefs of other people, should not be brought into a political campaign.”[201][202][203]

During the 2002 governor’s race, Romney’s platform stated, “As Governor, Mitt Romney would protect the current pro-choice status quo in Massachusetts. No law would change.”[204] The executive director of Massachusetts NARAL at the time, Melissa Kogut, stated that in her organization’s endorsement interview with Romney, he was “emphatic that the Republican Party was not doing themselves a service by being so vehemently anti-choice.”[205][206]

The Boston Globe on July 26, 2005 quoted Romney saying, “I am pro-life. I believe that abortion is the wrong choice except in cases of incest, rape, and to save the life of the mother. I wish the people of America agreed, and that the laws of our nation could reflect that view. But while the nation remains so divided over abortion, I believe that the states, through the democratic process, should determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate.”[207] At the May 2007 Republican Presidential debate in South Carolina, Romney stated that “Roe v. Wade has gone to such an extent that we’ve cheapened the value of human life.” He followed by saying “the people should make [the abortion] decision, not the court.”[192] Romney’s spokesperson has indicated that had Romney been the governor of South Dakota, he would have signed into law the controversial law banning abortion, but he would include exceptions for cases of incest or rape, which the South Dakota law excludes.[208]

In statements since leaving the governorship, Romney has expressed his opposition to “partial birth” abortion.[19][209][210]

In 2011, Romney declined to sign a pro-life pledge sponsored by the Susan B. Anthony List to support legislation to end all taxpayer funding of abortion and to sign a law to “protect unborn children who are capable of feeling pain from abortion.” The pledge also commits signers to nominate judges and appoint executive branch officials who are pro-life. Romney’s spokeswoman said the pledge could have “unforeseen consequences” and that Romney could not “in good conscience sign it.” Romney did not hesitate to explain his stance: “It is one thing to end federal funding for an organization like Planned Parenthood; it is entirely another to end all federal funding for thousands of hospitals across America,” he wrote. “That is precisely what the pledge would demand and require of a president who signed it.” [211]

During the 2012 presidential campaign, Romney promised to nominate Supreme Court justices who would help overturn Roe v. Wade, allowing states to individually decide on the legality of abortion.[212] Furthermore, he would nominate judges who know the difference between personal opinion and the law.[213]

[edit] Personhood legislation

Romney has expressed support for constitutional amendments at both the state and federal level guaranteeing constitutional protections to the unborn from the moment of fertilization. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Romney said that if elected president, he would support an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would legally define personhood as beginning at conception.[214] In the 2012 presidential campaign, he said that, had he as governor been presented with a state constitutional amendment to define life as beginning at conception, he would have supported it.[215]

[edit] Embryonic stem-cell research & human cloning

When he ran for governor in 2002, Romney strongly advocated stem-cell research, and he promised to lobby then-President George W. Bush to embrace it.[216] During Romney’s 2008 presidential campaign, he renounced his prior position and said that he agreed with Bush’s decision to ban federal funding for research on excess embryos.[216] He said that his views had been drastically altered in 2004 after discussing stem cell research with Douglas Melton, a stem cell researcher at Harvard University. The Harvard Stem Cell Institute was planning research that would have involved therapeutic cloning.[217][218] According to Romney, Melton declared that the research “is not a moral issue because we kill the embryos at 14 days.” “I looked over at Beth Myers, my chief of staff, and we both had exactly the same reaction, which is it just hit us hard,” recalled Romney. “And as they walked out, I said, ‘Beth, we have cheapened the sanctity of life by virtue of the Roe v. Wade mentality.’”[218][219]

During his 2012 presidential campaign, Romney opposed research using cloned embryos created by implanting human DNA into donated eggs.[216][chronology


34 posted on 09/01/2012 8:15:41 AM PDT by ontap
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To: KC_Lion
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are LIFE, LIBERTY and the pursuit of HAPPINESS”.

No... there are no “buts” in that statement... not there and never were.

LLS

35 posted on 09/01/2012 8:18:52 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: EternalVigilance
No. I don't vote for pro-abortion socialists.

So you are not voting, you are just showing off your superior morals?

36 posted on 09/01/2012 8:19:32 AM PDT by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Your argument breaks down once you recognize that killing innocent persons is not a "state prerogative." To claim that it is is to abrogate the first principle of America, that all men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain UNALIENABLE rights, starting with the right to live.

It is also to ignore the explicit, imperative requirements of the Constitution of the United States:

"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."

"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."


37 posted on 09/01/2012 8:21:08 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

You lie and contort articles and phrases just as well as the Obama Administration. How long you been on their payroll and what are they paying you to post here on FR?


38 posted on 09/01/2012 8:21:31 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: EternalVigilance
I am pro life, I raised 3 adopted children who might have otherwise been aborted but I will vote for Romney. I will eagerly vote for Romney/Ryan. I would vote for the next door neighbors Golden Retriever if he was the front runner and could beat obozo!

Our pResident has done more damage to our country and will do so much more if we don't kick him out in November. Watch the damage he will do between November and January! That thought makes me sick but maybe we can correct it when he is gone.

39 posted on 09/01/2012 8:21:51 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: oldbrowser

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40 posted on 09/01/2012 8:22:39 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: ontap

You sir, are a wealth of information. Thank you for your post. Bookmarking and saving.


41 posted on 09/01/2012 8:22:56 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: EternalVigilance
I don't vote for pro-abortion socialists.

What about pro-abortion capitalists? Calling Romney a socialist is a stretch and Ryan is no socialist.

42 posted on 09/01/2012 8:23:33 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Kansas58

YOU WILL NOT GET ANYTHING ACCOMPLISHED running as a 3rd Party spoiler, other than giving us 4 more years of Obama.


Sing it, Brother!

Absolutely.


43 posted on 09/01/2012 8:26:54 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: palmer

I don’t vote for pro-aborts.

And they are socialists.

Romney implemented socialized medicine. I’m surprised you missed that.

And both of them fully support the most important aspects of the New Deal and the Great Society.


44 posted on 09/01/2012 8:28:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: usconservative

——Obama Administration. -——???

There might be others paying?


45 posted on 09/01/2012 8:28:40 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: KC_Lion

BUT whatever the crimes of the parents the child is always innocent.


True. But how does the victim of a crime become the perp?


46 posted on 09/01/2012 8:29:26 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: 98ZJ USMC
I was speaking in general terms, beyond even abortion, if we were all punished for the Sins of our Fathers (or mothers) we would all be in jail or dead.

This Abortion argument is just one example.

47 posted on 09/01/2012 8:33:21 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Romney, why do you have to be on the ticket?!)
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To: ontap
Your post is inacurate that quote was from 1994!!

No it wasn't. It was from last Monday.

48 posted on 09/01/2012 8:34:07 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Romney is part socialist, you are right about that, and your stance on voting pro-life is valid and commendable. You may be forgetting that Obama is in favor of euthanasia and Romney is not. Also I can’t agree on your 2016 gamble. By that point we will have Romney or we will be even more screwed economically. The antidote to death and socialism will be a gamble on a third party or reformed GOP.


49 posted on 09/01/2012 8:34:07 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Spartan79

You’re either for killing babies, or you’re not for killing babies. You can’t be a little bit for killing babies.


Sorry. That’s absolutist bunk. If the Mother makes the decision to have and keep the child (and there are many), I say you’re a wonderful human being. But, I refuse to force that decision.


50 posted on 09/01/2012 8:35:55 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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