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MY LIFE WITH LANCE ARMSTRONG ( Do I think he cheated? Yep ! )
http://www.outsideonline.com ^ | August 31 2012 | M Anderson

Posted on 09/01/2012 7:51:33 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45

I was Lance’s personal assistant for two years, during the height of his racing career. Do I think he cheated? Yep. But my real problem is something that diehard fans seem unable to grasp: the vengeful tactics he uses against people who tell the truth about him, on and off the bike.

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Read it for yourself.

Depositions under oath by one after another stating the facts. So it`s a conspiracy to get Lance ? LOL

He`s a doper, a cheat and a vindictive hateful person and just like O.J. will continue to claim he didn`t do it.

1 posted on 09/01/2012 7:51:36 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

500 clean tests, zero positive tests.


2 posted on 09/01/2012 7:53:28 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Para-Ord.45

I hate to say this, but sports in general have reached a state where if someone is accused, I figure they’re guilty.


3 posted on 09/01/2012 7:54:45 AM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: EEGator

LOL

The OJ Simpson defense !?

LOL

My finger prints aren`t on the knife, so I didn`t do it despite the overwhelming circumstantial evidence and countless witnesses under oath.

Yeah, keep telling that to yourself.


4 posted on 09/01/2012 7:56:40 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

” Do I think he cheated? Yep !”

Well if some trainer thinks so, he’s obviously guilty.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Lance did use PEDs, but there isn’t any actual proof.


5 posted on 09/01/2012 7:59:52 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Para-Ord.45

He;s a winner too! 7 times


6 posted on 09/01/2012 8:04:49 AM PDT by reefdiver (zer0 One and Done)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Mr. Anderson needs some more Cheddar to go with his whine.


7 posted on 09/01/2012 8:07:04 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: reefdiver

7 Time winner? Nope,not anymore.

Be back when the house of cards collapse just to ‘say I told ya so’ :

“Armstrong is having a bad year, and it’s about to get worse. His lawyers’ efforts to derail USADA’s case against him—a scorched-earth campaign aimed at destroying the organization outright—failed, so he chose to quit rather than keep fighting. But more revelations are coming soon, with the release of The Secret Race, a tell-all by Tyler Hamilton and co-author Daniel Coyle that promises to expose U.S. Postal’s organized doping program in excruciating detail. Judging by an Associated Press report based on an advance copy, the book could be the death blow to Armstrong’s reputation as an athlete.”


8 posted on 09/01/2012 8:07:14 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45
I don't care about Lance Armstrong one way or the other. I started to read this article with an open mind. But a REALLY disgruntled employee doesn't do it for me.

What I don't understand is how other cyclists couldn't pass the drug tests but Lance always did. Is Lance some kind of pharmaceutical genius?

9 posted on 09/01/2012 8:09:38 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Para-Ord.45
He`s a doper, a cheat and a vindictive hateful person
Where's the proof? Show me even one failed drug test.
BTW - the Lance Armstrong Foundation has raised more than $450 million to help other people.
What's your claim to fame?

10 posted on 09/01/2012 8:10:20 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Para-Ord.45

“Do I think he cheated” ***THINK***?????

Must be guilty because this guy THINKS so.

How about some PROOF! REAL PROOF. Actual evidence. To date, NONE.


11 posted on 09/01/2012 8:11:14 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Para-Ord.45

My opinion in all this is simply look where he won these races: France. Le country of weasels. Enough said.


12 posted on 09/01/2012 8:11:14 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Para-Ord.45
Unlike Hamilton, I can’t offer dramatic proof that Armstrong doped—the evidence I saw and heard was convincing to me, but it was also circumstantial

Another person that thinks he doped, but doesn't have proof.

13 posted on 09/01/2012 8:13:37 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: oh8eleven

So far 6 OJ Simpson defenses.

And here I thought freepers were rational thinkers yet not one OJ/Lance defenders can tell me why EVERYONE is lying and only Lance is telling the truth.

Ur gonna look silly when OJ/Lance`s house of cards fall apart.


14 posted on 09/01/2012 8:15:12 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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"Armstrong soured on me for reasons that had nothing to do with my performance as an employee, and when I was abruptly fired in late 2004, no clear reason was given for my termination. He reneged on the promise about the bike shop and started attacking me..."

So the friendship and professional relationship breaks up, yet he still expects Armstrong to finance the opening of his bike shop?

15 posted on 09/01/2012 8:15:28 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: oh8eleven

Yea he’s a great guy. Left his wife and kids for another woman after she stood by him when he had cancer but his foundation has raised tons of money so it’s OK


16 posted on 09/01/2012 8:17:19 AM PDT by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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As I recall the story, his wife left him.


17 posted on 09/01/2012 8:19:51 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: EEGator
"500 clean tests, zero positive tests."

It's amazing to me how many people can just discount this fact. Someone simply claiming they know Armstrong cheated is NOT proof. In fact nearly all the evidence proves Lance did NOT cheat.

This has been a taxpayer funded anti American witch hunt from the very beginning.

Even if you think he did cheat, attempts to prove it have utterly failed. So I ask this. What ever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty? The USADA has used the power of government to destroy an American champion. Who will be next on their list?

18 posted on 09/01/2012 8:21:35 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: Para-Ord.45

‘He’s a doper, a cheat and a vindictive person’

Sorry. I think OBAMA when I read that!


19 posted on 09/01/2012 8:21:51 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Para-Ord.45

OOPS! Forgot HATEFUL.


20 posted on 09/01/2012 8:22:28 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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Only the Tour can revoke his winnings (7) They do not even recognize the USADA
He is anything but a quitter, Cancer survivor, and has donated lots of cash to help a lot of people
21 posted on 09/01/2012 8:22:54 AM PDT by reefdiver (zer0 One and Done)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Very few athletes who perform at that level are scrupulous or decent human beings. The type of personality required for that kind of achievement is as much a curse as the prizes are blessing, perhaps more so.


22 posted on 09/01/2012 8:22:54 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Para-Ord.45

Here’s what I think.

1. Lance probably did cheat.
2. Probably no way to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
3. If not everyone else, then probably most of his competitors were cheating as well.

Ty Cobb sharpened his spikes. Bobby Thomson stole the sign for the big homerun. Boxers hit below the belt. Offensive linemen hold. Car racers basically do anything they can get away with. It’s always been this way and guess what? It always will.


23 posted on 09/01/2012 8:24:28 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: EEGator

Actually at least 1 positive test, which was later “cleared”:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/cycling/5043260.stm

The fact of the matter is the dopers tend to be ahead of the testers. That’s why they store samples for later with better testing. In track and field and cycling a really significant percentage of awarded winners have their wins stripped 5 or 6 years later. There’s an Olympic sprint from the 90s that no longer has a bronze medal winner because 6 of the 8 women to run in the finals had their stored samples test positive.


24 posted on 09/01/2012 8:24:46 AM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: Para-Ord.45
I doubt it. The French, who run the Tour, have told the USADA to F’ off. They are not changing the record books and Armstrong has decided not to fight with what amounts to a which hunt.

He passed the drug tests. They where administer the same way to him as to all the other athletes, some of whom failed, that is the standard. Going back and besmirching a person's achievements in a completely unprovable way is wrong regardless of how much of an SOB he was or is to his employees.

Ty Cobb was a raving lunatic alcoholic asshole. He abused people, played dirty and bent or broke every rule to get an advantage. Yet, he is still amongst greatest ball players of all time.

The USADA should cease to exist. It is money waisted by these ‘private’ organizations that are publicly funded that are the hallmark of massive government over spending.

25 posted on 09/01/2012 8:26:03 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

I believe he took a bunch of PEDs. But I also don’t give a sh*t. All riders are cheats pretty much


26 posted on 09/01/2012 8:26:53 AM PDT by strider44
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To: precisionshootist

Also, the USADA has no power to strip Lance of his TDF titles. That falls to the UIC and WADA which are standing by Lance and against the USADA.(as of now)


27 posted on 09/01/2012 8:27:27 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Para-Ord.45
Ur gonna look silly when OJ/Lance`s house of cards fall apart.
House of cards? LOL - WTF cares? He's retired.
Still waiting for the proof ... tick, tick, tick ... still waiting ... I hear crickets ...
28 posted on 09/01/2012 8:27:49 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: precisionshootist
Even if you think he did cheat, attempts to prove it have utterly failed.

Isn't there some kind of best evidence rule that applies in these situations.

The only evidence that should be admissible are the tests. The whole point of their existence is to determine whether someone is cheating. If you pass the tests, then by virtue of the rules of the applicable sport, you haven't cheated. No other evidence matters. Even if they had videotape of Armstrong doping himself, presumably it wouldn't matter because he passed the doping tests.

29 posted on 09/01/2012 8:31:21 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: discostu

He was allowed to take cortisone for saddle sores, so that isn’t failing a drug test. I’m aware of the storage of samples for future testing. I stated in an earlier post that I wouldn’t be surprised if he used, but hearsay isn’t proof.


30 posted on 09/01/2012 8:31:59 AM PDT by EEGator
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"And here I thought freepers were rational thinkers yet not one OJ/Lance defenders can tell me why EVERYONE is lying and only Lance is telling the truth."

Who's everyone dude? You mean the hundreds upon hundreds of medical professionals who actually tested Armstrong and found no evidence of doping? They are ALL LYING?

31 posted on 09/01/2012 8:34:44 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: Para-Ord.45

Who cares? It’s just a sport. Get a life.


32 posted on 09/01/2012 8:35:46 AM PDT by southern rock
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If the needle don't fit,

You *MUST* acquit!

33 posted on 09/01/2012 8:39:43 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: JoeDetweiler

Sad but true.


34 posted on 09/01/2012 8:41:20 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: Para-Ord.45

I’d rather wear a LIVESTRONG helmet than a Michael Vick jersey.


35 posted on 09/01/2012 8:54:44 AM PDT by real saxophonist (CTHULHU 2012 - Why vote for a Lesser Evil?)
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To: vbmoneyspender

I find your comments to be the clearest and best on this thread. The tesare just be THE standard, period. If now the USADA lets hearsay over rule their tests, testing has been made a mockery.

If the tests can’t show the correct result of possible doping, the tests need to be changed until such time as they are reliable. Verbal sniping to get rid of heroes’ achievement should be banned from any recognized (thereby ENCOURAGED) position in any sport.

Furthermore, if a championship is removed, no reliance can be placed on the previous #2’s tests. To apply the same standard, all of his past associates will have to be given a chance to take a swipe at the athlete! WHAT A REDICULOUS CAN OF WORMS!

Any parallel sports bodies that shadow the legal system should also be wiped out entirely! (read: NCAA sanctions)

HF


36 posted on 09/01/2012 8:59:15 AM PDT by holden
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To: Para-Ord.45; EEGator; CaptainK; oh8eleven; faucetman
The whole thing about the doping revolves around the testing and the way in which it's determined whether he's taken testosterone or not. If I may bring it up , he had his testicles removed. He had testicular cancer and they were removed.

That FACT is known by the Tour, by the USADA and by everyone else. In order for him to have any testosterone in his system it HAS TO BE EXOGENOUS testosterone. So while being treated for testicular cancer he would have been prohibited from taking this because of how it may stimulate his cancer. OK, so far.

Now we talk about rehabilitation. In order for him to continue he may have been given testosterone in order to get him to "baseline" levels. These levels vary throughout the day and even hourly depending on sleep, diet and stress. The methods used to find "cheaters" has gone to a place where the ratio of precursor to final testosterone is used, the percentage of free testosterone is used or the total level of testosterone is used. Some of the ratios find that "normal ratios" of epi/testosterone of 4-1 up to 8-1 are within the ranges of normals and some of the positive tests have levels up to 15 or 16 to 1. (baseball players recently).

He may have been given a waiver, he may have been given it in bursts and now there is a short acting testosterone that clears daily.

My point in this long rant is that unless his testicular cancer is addressed and the treatment is also addressed then all the testing is useless because of Lance's unique problem. (having his balls cut off) As far as what type of person he is, I have no idea.

What do I think of this USADA ruling... it's all a scam power play to take over cycling by typical bureaucrats. Whoever controls the samples controls the sport.

37 posted on 09/01/2012 8:59:57 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: holden

tesare = tests are


38 posted on 09/01/2012 9:01:35 AM PDT by holden
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To: Para-Ord.45

Yeah, it’s looking kinda bad for Lance. I grew up a fan of LeMond, a humble fella who won races and loved bicycling. Then there’s Mr. Sheryl Crow.


39 posted on 09/01/2012 9:12:54 AM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: EEGator

In the middle of this purge, I found a prescription box in the medicine cabinet—to the side of the vanity in the bathroom—that sent everything spiraling. I knew what it was. Not exactly at first, but I sensed from my rudimentary knowledge of medicine that this box shouldn’t be in the bathroom of a professional cyclist.

The label said Androstenedione. I looked it up on a laptop computer Armstrong had given me months before. I was searching for valid reasons why he would have this substance, a banned steroid. There were none. I put it back and did my best to forget about it. But I was torn. Should I risk alienating Armstrong and losing my job by calling him out?

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/biking/road-biking/My-Life-With-Lance-Armstrong.html?page=6


40 posted on 09/01/2012 9:24:28 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Para-Ord.45
"...Unlike Hamilton, I can’t offer dramatic proof that Armstrong doped—the evidence I saw and heard was convincing to me, but it was also circumstantial"

Took him a while in the article but he finally admitted it...........Boy, doncha just hate when that happens?

Gee, ya think maybe Mikey's still a little bit pissed off at Lance for not funding that bike shop Mikey always wanted to open?


41 posted on 09/01/2012 9:32:44 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: Dick Vomer
it's all a scam power play to take over cycling by typical bureaucrats.
I agree and excellent point about Armstrong losing his "guys."
42 posted on 09/01/2012 9:42:48 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: kcvl

So, another person has opened themselves up to a liable suit.

Weird, one after another they offer themselves up to be sued into bankruptcy all in an effort get Lance.

THAT is one strange conspiracy.


43 posted on 09/01/2012 9:43:18 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: slumber1
Left his wife and kids for another woman

It took 16 posts but finally someone dragged that lame excuse out.......You might want to read the ex-wife's account

44 posted on 09/01/2012 9:43:50 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: Para-Ord.45

We’re all equal under the law. . . . until we’re winners, then we’re screwed.


45 posted on 09/01/2012 10:02:55 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Para-Ord.45

Can anyone explain how he cheated and still passed 500 tests.


46 posted on 09/01/2012 10:14:08 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Para-Ord.45

There are many in Austin, TX who don’t think he’s such a nice guy. His arrogance is well known. No, being a prick doesn’t mean you’re a doper but it does show that he’s not the guy he wants to world to see.


47 posted on 09/01/2012 10:21:53 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Para-Ord.45
To be accused is the same as being guilty.

Armstrong finds himself in the unenviable situation that Mark Twain described, a woman trying to prove she's a virgin.

No one can prove he took drugs and he cannot prove he never did despite any number of tests.

Since it costs the accusers nothing to accuse him and they need no proof to make accusations, the “tell all” books and “insider” tales will continue long after the question of guilt or innocence becomes a minor point.

48 posted on 09/01/2012 11:13:44 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Sheryl Crow Did It!


49 posted on 09/01/2012 11:22:44 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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Dude, try telling Elvis fans that their hero was a druggie. You’ll get the same denials you’re seeing here about Saint Lance.


50 posted on 09/01/2012 11:25:51 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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