Skip to comments.How To Make the GOP Eat Itself Alive
Posted on 09/01/2012 1:16:40 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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Yeah. Start with James Bopp.
James Bopp may or may not be a scoundrel in other ways, but in this one way, he was a hero. He, with Morton Blackwell, led the charge against the Rules Change.
James Bopp Jr. isn't just a Romney adviser, he is pretty much the face of the business side of the establishment. He is the Vice Chairman of the party and head of the rules committee.
This is pretty damning. It shows the business side of the party, the establishment, opposed the rule change.
Still out there?
Apparently you didn’t read the letter. Bopp led the opposition against the rule change.
Unless you like this to be a fight between the GOPe and the people under a false pretense?
Of course, as a fifth party candidate, you would.
(still failing to disclose that I see)
Bopp is the main culprit behind the addition of the immoral, unconstitutional “pain-capable unborn children” clause in the “pro-life” platform plank.
Which was no surprise to me. He’s been pushing that garbage for years. Pushing it right into the laws of the United States, and many of the States.
Laz, you missed the obvious possibility that this letter is simple cover. Can we really trust any of these people to do anything honest when this kind of power is on the table?
Sorry but I think you’ve been had. This is too comvinent by half.
One-time ping. Apologies to people already on my ping list for the double-ping.
He’s made his bed with these people. Now he’s going to have to live with it.
Nice summary of what happened. After hearing buzz among Republicans about “faithless delegates,” I am glad they got stopped. But RINOs never let a good crisis go to waste.
True. But, let us not forget that there are other Establishments who were all for it: Boehner, Sununu, and most damning of all, Ginsberg.
I feel the most powerful, most direct sign that Romney DOES embrace us, is a denuciation by the official Romney camp of the Rules Change. At this point, that is what it will take, to placate us and get us on board.
He needs to unify. As soon as possible. Forcefully, as such an action would be.
Several other sources that were reporting at the time gave Bopp credit for leading the charge to defeat the rule.
LOL, EV isn’t very quiet about who his real name is. Check his homepage! :)
You’re exactly right. This is political butt-covering.
The whole country, at least anyone who pays attention, saw exactly what went on in Tampa.
It wasn’t a political convention in any true sense of the word. It was a sham propaganda show.
If the letter had been issued after the fight, then maybe I could believe that. However, the letter occured during the fight, and Bopp was involved in lobbying against the change in many other ways.
He's also the RNC Vice-Chair. Pretty high-up to be simple cover.
So? Considering the backroom methods we’ve all seen so far, why should this be any different?
Folks, I’m sorry. While I admit Romney will be our next president and wish him the best of luck, FR needs to take off the rose colored post convention glasses and remember who and what we are dealing with. That didn’t change with a few great speeches.
If Romney pushes and reverses these rule changes before election time, it would indeed change my belief in him.
As it is now, up yours GOP-e !!!
Well, Tom, that is as much conjecture as my assertion that there may be opposing views in the RNC establishment.
I guess it is up to the grassroots to take it to Mitt, and let him know we need some Rules Changes BACK, or at the very minimum, a strong condemnation of the Rules as they stand.
Boehner & McConnell ‘MUST’ go away !!!
One thing is certain: Boehner is a son of a bitch, and must go.
Laz, I submit that you and many here are so wanting it to be true that you have convinced yourself of it. We all are soo POd/frustrated with Obama that we are desperate and cling to any thread of hope that agrees with what we want to be the case.
I advise caution and rational / logical thinking here.
Actually, the problem is we have a mythology of who we are dealing with. The GOPe isn't some smokey backroom, it is a business like any other. There are ways you deal with a business and certain ways to get in. We failed that. For example, I don't recall a single thread during the primary process on how to be elected as a delegate or engage in the rule making process for your precinct or State. The Paultards, however, were good at this which is where this chaos came from.
Imagine if we learn from how they operate (without being deceptive like they were) and spend as much time coordinate taking over the party from the bottom instead of just sitting around complaining about the 'e' conspiracy. They were just some fringe nuts and look what they did.
Absolute 100% total agreement ;)
I agree with that. At that, I think he was drunk half the time he was on stage.
To be fair, Norm, I'm not convinced of anything, yet. I'm just presenting all sides. The proof of the pudding will be in it's tasting. They need to ACT to get my belief.
To get them to ACT, it is up to US.
Remember, one Rules Change is that the RNC can change the Rules without delegates present, or a vote. So: CHANGE THEM! Bring we who are conservatives, back into the party. One of the changes will have to be the rescinding of the 'we can change the Rules anytime'-Rule.
I still think this is something of a Republican mirror image to what happened to the Democrats in 1968 and 1972. In ‘68 the up and coming radical left tried to seize the party but were slapped down by their old guard. But in the next four years the radicals came back in spades and took over the party, booting out the old guard for good. And the radicals have controlled the party ever since.
As a rough outline, the Tea Party conservatives have done much the same thing, and have made substantial inroads into the party. However, the old guard Republican leadership used some dirty tricks to slap them down. But it does not end here.
The erosion will continue. The Tea Party will get more and more conservative candidates elected, likely dominating the mid-term election. At that point, if Romney has been playing liberal, there will be a challenge to him having a second term, and the conservatives will punish those who had a hand in this debacle.
Karl Rove and company may find themselves unemployed.
Which makes me more like Fox News, than Fox News is. :)
I don’t totally disagree, but it’s a business with an agenda. And that agenda is not one that is conservative. At best this is a business arrangement between GOP and Conservatives...and they are amidst a hostile takeover.
Wish I had made it.
Why don't you come over to my house every time I write an editorial? :)
If you start wearing a skirt and spike heels, I’m outta here
...Or strangely attracted to....NO!!! ;)
Bow chicka wah wah.
Good luck with that.
Frankly though, this reminds me of the psychology of an abused spouse.
The agenda is money and votes. Our job is to show that Conservatives can produce those more and in a more consistent fashion of the long run. Otherwise, the marketing professionals and accountants will just look at historical trends and see George W, George HW, elections and think Reagan was a fluke.
We aren’t consistent and we turn on ourselves and faction faster than Obama can call a mulligan on the course.
Nah. More like presenting both sides. Also, take a look at #28. Pretty durned good analysis, there.
Early on there were a lot of conservatives cursing Romney and saying they will no longer vote for him because of his disenfranchising conservatives.That is giving the Ron Paul supporters exactly what they wanted. They are infiltrators causing a lot of discord within the Republican Party. They are NOT Republicans, and here in Colorado, they have been a tremendous thorn in our side during County and State conventions. I can easily see why the Republicans wanted to strip them of their power, as they obtain their delegate status in a very deceitful way.
These same Rom Paul supporters are the ones that assisted the commie group code pink, to get into the Convention and disrupt several of the speeches.
I can't speak for the 'establishment', but I don't believe Romney wants to alienate or dismiss the Tea Party.
IMO, the gob of conservatives is to forward conservatism. No more or less. I will try to avoid the Romney arguement here, but it’s not easy.
If we cut our own throats to achieve political power, I fail to see the point. The GOP has played Conservs for decades. They and we are two ships mid Pacific. One bound for China, One to the USA.
This election, unfortunately, we need eachother. But what of the next? The drift will be even further.
Thumb high, bro.
Quit using the Ron Paul brigades as an excuse for these rules changes. No one is buying it. There were and always have been ways of dealing with dissident groups within the rules of the convention. The claim that new rules had to be adopted to deal with them is nonsense.
I don't know how to get this message to Romney, but he's GOTTA show us some love. If he doesn't, he's going to face a tougher 2012, and -- if successful in 2012 -- a much MUCH tougher 2016.
You don't know the half of it.
Tell that to the Maine Ron Paul delegates who are undergoing a hearing today to consider punishment for their antics during the convention.
Whistling past the grave yard.
You try typing with visions of you in a skirt and heels dancing through your head...
Not an easy thing to do! ;)
Or, as I prefer to view it, an opportunity for action.
Is this hearing taking place under the old rules or the new ones??
Her father was AG in Utah and represented what is wrong in Utah Politics, Talked the Talk and Devolved into a RINO.
Mitt has no Balls and if we push hard enough through our Reps he will bend. I was exiled to Mass in 1960 and supported Mitt for gov, he sucked, we have to yell and scream and he will follow.
Who cares? They obviously don’t deem any authority higher than RonPaul. Any punishment will be ignored and there’s nothing but throwing them out the GOP can do.
Like they care.