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Hunters shoot at gun thieves in restaurant parking lot(TX)
woai.com ^ | 1 September, 2012 | : Emily Baucum

Posted on 09/01/2012 5:23:23 PM PDT by marktwain

SAN ANTONIO – Hunters hoping to enjoy the first day of dove season instead ended up using their guns on suspected car thieves.

The hunters were eating inside the T.G.I. Friday’s restaurant off of Loop 410 and Highway 151 on the west side.

Police say they looked out the window and saw thieves breaking into their pickup truck. The smash-and-grab left glass shattered across the parking lot.

Officers say the hunters ran out of the restaurant and told the thieves to stop but by then, the suspects had stolen about five handguns and shotguns and jumped into an SUV.

Police say the hunters are conceal-carry permit holders and quickly took action: they pulled out the guns they were carrying and shot at the getaway car.

"They're reporting they fired at least four to five shots into the SUV vehicle,” Sgt. Steve Priori says. “It's unknown if anybody was hit."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; robber; tx
Texas allows more freedom of action to use force to protect property than many other states.
1 posted on 09/01/2012 5:23:31 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

First rule: keep your guns in the trunk.


2 posted on 09/01/2012 5:46:42 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Misterioso

Or, in this case, behind the seat. =:•)


3 posted on 09/01/2012 5:48:02 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: marktwain
From the comments:
These are stalwart Christian men, upright and righteous. Ordinarily, I would expected them to easily mete out God's justice on these heathens. However, it seems the shots missed. I must conclude that these thieves were spared by the direct intercession of Almighty God, who must have some plan for at least one of them. We are not necessarily meant to understand the wonders of God's works. Our work is to bring them God's word and forgive them if we are unable to riddle them.
Gotta love them Texans...
4 posted on 09/01/2012 6:01:59 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1321 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: marktwain; Squantos

Good shots to hunt dove with handguns.


5 posted on 09/01/2012 6:16:44 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: marktwain

Hey I’d be tempted to do the same thing, but it could turn nasty for those guys if it turned out a baby or child was hit or killed or an innocent bystander in another car.

While the Empire State Building cops got away with shooting up 9 citizen bystanders in their wild frenzy of shooting in a situation that should never have occurred as they were entrusted to protect and serve the public. The system is not as amenable to us lowly citizens for taking what some might turn into reckless action that gets others shot.

If you pull the trigger you need to have a target acquisition and site picture and not shoot blindly at a vehicle. Hopefully it will turn out OK for the hunters and that the sleaze that broke into their truck are caught or were shot. Just saying public opinion can turn on a dime on something like this had something bad happened.


6 posted on 09/01/2012 6:20:15 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: marktwain

I don’t know. Sinking them accidentally in a boat while crossing the rain swollen stream is a lot less hassle.


7 posted on 09/01/2012 6:23:00 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: marktwain

Yeah, in Colorado you or someone must be in imminent danger of loss of life or dangerous injury. You can’t shoot at someone who is running away from you just because they have your stuff.


8 posted on 09/01/2012 6:24:15 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: razorback-bert; Tijeras_Slim; Lurker; MileHi; hiredhand

Doesn’t everyone have a dozen or so guns in the truck ?

Slackers....:o)

Dove gun
Coyote gun
Sod Poodle gun
Wild Hog gun
Feral Doggies gun
Buzzard gun
Deer gun
White Faced Herefords got hit by a car gun
5 stand gun
Trap and skeet gun
IDPA gun
3 gun match gun
Leg match gun
SASS Guns x 4
Backup gun
CHL gun

That’s basic loadout for a Texan .....:o)

Stay Safe...Bert !


9 posted on 09/01/2012 6:32:04 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: Misterioso

First rule: keep your guns in the trunk.

Of a pickup?


10 posted on 09/01/2012 6:32:12 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: marktwain

You bet! I carry a gun when I take my Yorkie outside at night. Eight acres here and if someone appears in the dark they better leave fast!


11 posted on 09/01/2012 6:35:37 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: razorback-bert

Never know when you will run onto a rattlesnake or a wild hog when hunting.

2 legged or 4.


12 posted on 09/01/2012 6:40:14 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Squantos

Missed one on my short list at Ron’s this week by 5 minutes. Guy was filling out the 4473 on a minty Sig 220 in .38 Super when I walked in.

GRRRRR....


13 posted on 09/01/2012 6:41:29 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: SaxxonWoods

Yea, doesn’t Bobby Wallace know that. We need to fix that.


14 posted on 09/01/2012 6:43:14 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Squantos

Plus ammo. 3/4 ton rig or better...{:0)


15 posted on 09/01/2012 6:44:23 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi

1 ton dualie, compound turbos, programmers etc .... Done ! ......:o)


16 posted on 09/01/2012 6:55:49 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: SaxxonWoods

It is debatable whether you can shoot someone in Colorado, “who just has your stuff” if the stuff they have is your firearms, and although it’s hard to make out in the rear window of the escape vehicle, but it sure looks like one of them is turned around and aiming one of them back at you.


17 posted on 09/01/2012 6:59:12 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Dang that would have been a great catch..... Ron has to have a nickel plated 1911A1 El Presidente Colt under the counter somewhere in .38 super.

I have a couple of Sig 220’s in .45. One worn out courier issue i carried as a BCSD Reserve Deputy and one NIB safe queen.


18 posted on 09/01/2012 7:00:14 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: SaxxonWoods
Yeah, in Colorado you or someone must be in imminent danger of loss of life or dangerous injury. You can’t shoot at someone who is running away from you just because they have your stuff.

If the "stuff" is firearms, then you know for certain that they are armed. If I ever come home and find someone has broken in, I will presume they are also armed.

If such a vehicle is approaching, then they are fair game.

19 posted on 09/01/2012 7:09:28 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: null and void

Amen!!!!


20 posted on 09/01/2012 7:13:35 PM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: Squantos

Need a jackalope gun too.


21 posted on 09/01/2012 7:15:31 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: razorback-bert

Handguns are for defense against wild hogs.


22 posted on 09/01/2012 7:28:43 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: Lion Den Dan

See Post #3.


23 posted on 09/01/2012 7:56:24 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: razorback-bert

Barrett M82A1 w rafaus rounds.... Jackalopes fear those.


24 posted on 09/01/2012 8:01:17 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: going hot
"Sinking them accidentally in a boat while crossing the rain swollen stream is a lot less hassle"

I like it; Russian style.

"They could not reach the coast and, apparently, have all died,"

http://nation.foxnews.com/international/2010/05/12/russia-pirates-have-all-died#ixzz25HPxxQI7

25 posted on 09/01/2012 8:42:34 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: apoliticalone
Texas law would have allowed them to shoot said robbers.
26 posted on 09/01/2012 9:12:04 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: apoliticalone

I must have missed the wild frenzy part.
Where was that?


27 posted on 09/02/2012 1:42:38 AM PDT by glyptol
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To: Misterioso

No, keep them close. They are no good in a bad situation in the trunk.


28 posted on 09/02/2012 1:44:15 AM PDT by glyptol
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To: glyptol

Nothing worse than a bad situation in a trunk.
Fixed.


29 posted on 09/02/2012 2:04:40 AM PDT by glyptol
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To: glyptol

I am talking about transporting your hunting guns to the field.


30 posted on 09/02/2012 2:12:22 AM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: SaxxonWoods
in Colorado you or someone must be in imminent danger of loss of life or dangerous injury. You can’t shoot at someone who is running away from you just because they have your stuff.

I don't care where I happen to be, if I catch you stealing MY stuff, I will shoot you in the back as you try to run.

I'm sick of hearing people say property is not worth killing someone for. As I see it, if you are stealing someone else's property, you have made the decision that said property is worth risking your life for.

31 posted on 09/02/2012 6:43:30 AM PDT by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: marktwain

Not good to leave weapons in plain site in a parked vehicle. That doesn’t justify the robbery but it surely puts the items in plain site for criminals.

......
The pair broke a rear window on the driver’s side and took “at least four, maybe five weapons — handguns and shotguns” that had been left in plain view on the back seat and the floor of the pickup, Priore said.
....

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Concealed-handgun-permit-holders-fire-on-suspects-3833587.php#ixzz25JuyA2qD


32 posted on 09/02/2012 6:57:57 AM PDT by deport
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To: marktwain

“Texas allows more freedom of action to use force to protect property than many other states.”

John Locke’s trilogy of life, liberty, and property. Those should be the things deadly force should be employed to protect.


33 posted on 09/02/2012 6:58:17 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: FunkyZero

I was referring to the “loss of the guns”. :-)


34 posted on 09/02/2012 7:02:01 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: SaxxonWoods
Yeah, in Colorado you or someone must be in imminent danger of loss of life or dangerous injury. You can’t shoot at someone who is running away from you just because they have your stuff.

Use of deadly force is permitted to recover property in Texas, but you have to read it carefully:

Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

Sorry for the formatting, I didn't bother to enter all the HTML to make it look right. You can find it online here:

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm#9.42

The important thing to note is the "during the nighttime" pre-requisite only applies to theft. Since they broke into the vehicle, it was a burglary -- which doesn't have the nighttime qualifier.

That said, I don't think it was a good idea to shoot at the fleeing vehicle. Too many things could have gone wrong, and the shooter would have been held responsible.

35 posted on 09/02/2012 7:52:44 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Squantos
Dove gun
Coyote gun
Sod Poodle gun
Wild Hog gun
Feral Doggies gun
Buzzard gun
Deer gun
White Faced Herefords got hit by a car gun
5 stand gun
Trap and skeet gun
IDPA gun
3 gun match gun
Leg match gun
SASS Guns x 4
Backup gun
CHL gun

That’s basic loadout for a Texan .....:o)

There's an old story (probably true) about a Texan who was pulled over by a cop.

As required by the law, our friend announced that he possessed a CHL and was packing. He then went through your list when asked to tell what hardware he was toting.

The somewhat stunned cop then asked, "What in hell are you afraid of?"

"Not a f___ing thing," the Texan replied. "Not a f___ing thing."

36 posted on 09/02/2012 8:07:40 AM PDT by Zakeet (10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who do not)
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To: Zakeet

Still Valid......:o)

Few years back when guncrafters industries introduced their proprietary caliber the 50GI in a 1911A1 I bought one for me and another for my brother. Expensive yet a very well made 1911A1 in 50 (.499)......:o)

http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/model1_50gi.shtml

What was the old story ? Why do you carry a .45 ???.....LOL !

Stay safe !


37 posted on 09/02/2012 10:22:40 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: glyptol

“I must have missed the wild frenzy part.”

I was referring to the cops in NYC that recently managed to hit 9 innocent people while apprehending a perp at the Empire State Building that killed his boss. My point was that the cops can get away with it. Average Americans who accidentally shoot innocent bystanders will not, and the DA, media will chastise and Zimmmerize them just to make gun owners look bad. Thank God it worked out.


38 posted on 09/02/2012 11:09:39 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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