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Hamid Karzai anger at Australian troops
news.com.au ^ | 2nd September 2012

Posted on 09/02/2012 6:08:52 AM PDT by naturalman1975

AFGHANISTAN President Hamid Karzai has condemned what he called a "unilateral operation" by Australian troops in southern Oruzgan province.

Karzai was responding to an apparent Australian operation yesterday in which a tribal elder, Raz Mohammad Khan, 70, and his son Abdul Jalil, 30, were killed. Karzai said the operation breached an agreement with NATO.

“Raz Mohammad ... had no relationship with the government or the militants. He and his son were the victims of wrong reports received by Australian troops regarding (their) relations with the Taliban,” said Abdullah Hemmat, the provincial spokesman.

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A soldier of the Afghan Army murdered three Australian soldiers this week - not the first time it's happened to us, or our allies. I applaud Australian commanders for taking the decision to do what they believe is necessary to deal with the situation they are in - whether they have approval from the Afghan government or not. If there are any decent Afghani leaders who honestly want their country to have a real future, they need to stay out of the way. Any who are not in that category - they'd better stay out of the way as well.
1 posted on 09/02/2012 6:08:53 AM PDT by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

Karzai is angry because they didn’t give him a chance to hand over the operational details to his buddies. He’s incredibly corrupt and has a lot of NATO Soldiers’ blood on his hands.


2 posted on 09/02/2012 6:11:08 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: naturalman1975

I’d just tell Karzai that Australia isn’t a member of NATO...


3 posted on 09/02/2012 6:13:21 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: naturalman1975

Sorry about your nations loss to these stone age savages


4 posted on 09/02/2012 6:15:03 AM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: naturalman1975
“Raz Mohammad ... had no relationship with the government or the militants. He and his son were the victims of wrong reports received by Australian troops regarding (their) relations with the Taliban,” said Abdullah Hemmat, the provincial spokesman.

Translation: Now we have to renegotiate our graft percentage with a new sand monkey....

5 posted on 09/02/2012 6:15:48 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

We’re not, as you say, a member of NATO, but Australian troops in Afghanistan are, functionally, under NATO command - NATO leads the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) of which Australia is part.


6 posted on 09/02/2012 6:17:21 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Future Snake Eater

“Karzai is angry because they didn’t give him a chance to hand over the operational details to his buddies. He’s incredibly corrupt and has a lot of NATO Soldiers’ blood on his hands.”

Yep, just like Vietnam where we had to tell the village elder about our operations in his area. He then promptly told the VC what we where about to do.


7 posted on 09/02/2012 6:21:08 AM PDT by Roklok
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To: Future Snake Eater

and probably his drug trafficing buddies.


8 posted on 09/02/2012 6:22:11 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: dennisw
Why are we still in this forsaken territory?

It is clear the Obozo administration is not attempting to support Israel by positioning troops for a possible action on Iran.

Each and every day we remain, we open up our troops to attack by these savages. Each day we remain, we expend millions of dollars in hard earned tax dollars that could be used to support efforts on our southern border with that cesspool Mexico.

9 posted on 09/02/2012 6:26:25 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777
The Brits and Rooskies learned the Afghan lesson.
Why can't we get the heck out...
10 posted on 09/02/2012 6:36:20 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: naturalman1975

Our blood and treasure is 100% wasted in that land of goat screwers and children beheaders.


11 posted on 09/02/2012 6:40:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: naturalman1975
we accomplished a lot...Bush spied and Bin Laden died...(and the messiah took the credit).

now if we are saddled with a bunch of crud from Karzai that will put us and our allies in harms way for no reason....it is time to leave him to his own devices.

12 posted on 09/02/2012 6:49:27 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: naturalman1975
What I find interesting about this is that the "unilateral operation" may not only have been carried out by Australian troops without any oversight from NATO or the U.S. -- but may have been carried out by Australian troops on their own without the knowledge of their own superiors.

Ever since that strange incident involving U.S. SSgt. Bales and the alleged massacre of a couple of families near his base in Afghanistan, I've suspected that the U.S. and NATO countries are coping with a lot of unauthorized operations by troops over there.

13 posted on 09/02/2012 6:50:13 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: naturalman1975

“Late summer-autumn 1968: Kurtz’s patrols in the highlands coming under frequent ambush. The camp started falling apart... November: Kurtz orders the assassination of three Vietnamese men and one woman. Two of the men were Colonels in the South Vietnamese army. Enemy activity in his old sector dropped off to nothing. Guess he must have hit the right four people.”


14 posted on 09/02/2012 7:21:05 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Alberta's Child

When terrorists struck Israel what did they do to the remaining members of families of those terrorists paid by Saddam ? If that was our policy the shite would stop quickly
Actually they should go after the clerics preaching this krap as well.


15 posted on 09/02/2012 7:22:43 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great p/p)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; ansel12; backhoe; CholeraJoe; Criminal Number 18F; DevSix; DJ Taylor; ...
assassination of three Vietnamese men and one woman. Two of the men were Colonels in the South Vietnamese army

You must be mistaken. The US wouldn't do things like that.


16 posted on 09/02/2012 8:22:55 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Roklok

The biggest fight we got into in Baghdad was done as a spur-of-the-moment decision by my Battalion Commander to go into a neighborhood without alerting the IA or the police as to our intentions. We stumbled into an outright hornet’s nest. It made me wonder why we ever told them anything. “Building relationships” I suppose...


17 posted on 09/02/2012 8:47:05 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: ASA Vet

The incredible irony is that while Phoenix was condemned, after the fact, it was extremely effective, and so decimated the Viet Cong that they really forced them into the Tet Offensive, where they were effectively wiped out.

Today, W. Bush recreated Phoenix as the new SOCOM, at ten times the size, and they conducted their own WoT parallel to the conventional one. I remembered with some amusement reading how at a particular point they had reached a predicament: they were so good at gathering information that it was hard to exploit it.

Far too many targets, which is what happened to Warthog pilots in GWI, who were depleting their ammo so fast that they had their mechanics fab their guns for three round bursts instead of full auto.

One little known but highly effective Vietnam program I wish they would reactivate was called “Death Watch”, in which, due to a shortage of junior infantry officers who were really expert with calling in field artillery, that for a short time, field artillery enlisted troops were assigned to infantry units to do so.

Infantry casualties in units with such FA enlisted dropped to nothing other than accidents and disease. As soon as they spotted enemy, their FA guy would call in arty so accurately that the infantry never got close enough to fire their rifles. They were okay with this.

But officers were horrified that mere enlisted men could call in fires, so the program was killed dead.


18 posted on 09/02/2012 9:00:35 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: ASA Vet
Hamid's time is coming..... TICK !
19 posted on 09/02/2012 10:11:35 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: Future Snake Eater

We ought to dump Karzai into a Taliban stronghold. Or just dump him Bin Laden style...

Giving him operational details ranks right up there with publishing them on the Internet. Heck, they’d probably be MORE secure on the Internet!


20 posted on 09/02/2012 10:46:43 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: naturalman1975

I say we torch all of the poppy fields, then get the hell out of there.


21 posted on 09/02/2012 10:48:08 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Mr Rogers

When I was in Afghanistan, Special Forces was banned from night raids without approval from Karzai (raids had to conform to “Karzai’s Twelve”, a list of allowable conditions for raids to occur without requiring approval from Karzai or his people—no, I’m not kidding).

SF just used the bureaucracy against itself by submitting raid requests late Thursday. The Afghanis were out the door ASAP on Thursdays since Friday is their version of the weekend, so there was no way to disapprove the raid. It got the powers-that-be in a snit, but SF could get away with it since they were technically playing by the rules.


22 posted on 09/02/2012 10:55:12 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: naturalman1975
Hmmmm.

Default setting: Aussies are right, Afghans are wrong.

Wait, did that sound jingoistic? Why yes it did.

23 posted on 09/02/2012 1:02:38 PM PDT by Red6
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